I don’t think enlisted marines carry or shoot pistols anymore. I’m not sure when it changed. But I’m told only officers carry them now. Maybe non coms too?We did in my day.
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I don’t think enlisted marines carry or shoot pistols anymore. I’m not sure when it changed. But I’m told only officers carry them now. Maybe non coms too?We did in my day.
Cool, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. The military has to buy thousands if not millions of guns, holsters, magazines, and other logistic supplies when they pick a pistol. One guy in Mass has to pick one gun to carry and has a vast number of guns to chose from. Again, why buy a gun that has a known mechanical feature that requires special training to overcome?
Clearly, the US military agrees with me because they're switching to a SIG. If the Beretta and the 1911 were manifestations of divine providence, .mil wouldn't be replacing them. Know what the P320 doesn't have on it? A DA/SA firing system. Looks like a striker-fired pistol to me. But there's zero reason to even bring .mil into the discussion because the market for concealed carry pistols is not comparable to the military demand for a service weapon -- I just mention it because you decided to wave your service record in my face.
Edit: just for fun, I pulled up the M17's Wiki page and the USMC plans to buy 35k M17s to replace the M9. So please do forward my opinion to the USMC because they agree with me.
No, they don't agree with you.
Technology changes. The 1911 and 92 were examples of the finest available at the time. Back then we also just learned how to use a tool and not be pussies. And I would hardly call learning to shoot a DA/SA pistol special training.
If you were half as smart as you want everyone to think you are, you would know that the .mil does not think the Sig is a BETTER pistol. If it were, the Corps would not be buying thousands of 1911's for SOCOM, and the Seals would not be carrying HK's and 1911's.
The .mil adopted the Sig because it is a better gun for your average pussy and dumbass. The 320 is a better choice for below average shooters, with little experience and very limited training. The guys that actually know what they are doing, given a choice, are NOT going to be carrying the 320 into harms way.
You would also know that the primary reason for changing to the 92 was to use the same ammo as NATO.
I didn't realize that my mentioning the Corps would be perceived as waving my " service record" in your face, but the reason for bringing the .mil into the discussion is that some of those guys may have done more than punch holes in paper and might know what phuck they are talking about. I own a 320. It's a good gun. Really easy to shoot. And it would stay in the safe if I had to grab a gun to stop a threat. If I was teaching young girl to shoot or a noob to shoot, I would grab the 320.
So when the OP asks 92 or 1911, I respond 1911, and this is why... you reply "buy a better gun"... and your opinion that the 320 is better than a RIA 1911 or a 92 for self defense is based on what? Your groups at the range? It's amazing you can hear yourself think over the sound of your own awesomeness.
.45 and don't forget a nice hat...
Exactly, .mil buys guns based on the overall unit cost (including all the extras) and if the gun meets specifications. There's no reason to drag in subjective experiences from the military 30, 40 years ago when discussing a modern day buyer's concealed carry piece. But people chose to do so.
Check out CZ's if you want a steel/aluminum pistol. CZ75 is an awesome full size pistol, better than the Beretta IMHO. They also make compacts, I love my P-01 Omega.Its all good guys, I appreciate the feedback. Its good thought process.
Fencer - CZ's aren't what I had in mind as I have never held one, but are not outside the realm of possibilities
Like anything, it's all just personal opinion/preference, so that doesn't mean much. I could just never get a comfortable grip on the damn thing, especially for the first DA shot where the trigger felt a mile away.