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Healey "closing the loophole" letter to gun dealers

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jasons said:
I think she said "at this time." Leaving her options open.

Congrats to everyone who bought, sold, or possessed any sort of semi-automatic firearm in MA in the past 20-whatever years. You are now a criminal, but the good news is that the AG isn't interested in you "at this time."
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exactly, they are just warming up their ovens, ****ing pieces of shit
 
DarthRevan said:
Maybe because this is an extreme over reach and the courts don't give a fukk about you once guns are involved?
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If the court system allows Healy to prosecute someone over this, then that effectively means that rule of law is completely meaningless in MA. At that point you guys might as well unpin the stocks and buy whatever mags you want, because it effectively opens the gate allowing the state to prosecute you for anything they want at anytime, and that none of the gun laws actually matter because we're all felons by default.

I am annoyed that dealers are Kowtowing to this bullshit, frankly.

-Mike
 
Bitch just said. "Possession of these weapons is illegal, but we understand people thought they were buyig them legally and we have no intention of going after them"

Well shit that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling
 
massvet said:
When is a firearm purchased? I get a delay every time and last month it lasted 30 days and had to reapply yesterday and again got a delay. So my question is, have I purchased the gun since the paperwork has been submitted? Should I call and pay for it in full?


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If you've paid in full but have been delayed, you have bought the gun but you aren't yet in possession until the 4473 and EFA-10 are completed with a proceed.
 
Considering we essentially live under the same thing as the old federal ban and these types of guns were legal to sell under that I don't see how she can possibly come out and say they are suddenly not legal. I'm curious what GOAL/Comm2A have to say about this.
 
drgrant said:
If the court system allows Healy to prosecute someone over this, then that effectively means that rule of law is completely meaningless in MA. At that point you guys might as well unpin the stocks and buy whatever mags you want, because it effectively opens the gate allowing the state to prosecute you for anything they want at anytime, and that none of the gun laws actually matter because we're all felons by default.

I am annoyed that dealers are Kowtowing to this bullshit, frankly.

-Mike
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I'm not at all surprised by FS, but I sure hope no one else follows suit.
 
wmassregulators said:
Bitch just said. "Possession of these weapons is illegal, but we understand people thought they were buyig them legally and we have no intention of going after them"

Well shit that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling
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And why would we have thought that, Maura?

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DarthRevan said:
I'm not at all surprised by FS, but I sure hope no one else follows suit.
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They all will.
 
wmassregulators said:
Bitch just said. "Possession of these weapons is illegal, but we understand people thought they were buyig them legally and we have no intention of going after them" at this time

Well shit that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling
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FIFY

if you comrades are headed to FS or anywhere else to buy AR15 ... you are committing a felony, they are illegal effectively the beginning of the gun ban, but don't worry, if you got some then you are already a felon, it's just a matter of how many charges [rofl]
 
Racenet said:
Meanwhile, in New Hampshire................[rofl]
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I've lived in NH all my life except for the six years I was in the USN and have seen our gun rights challenged again and again...let's not get too smug about what we have....

It wouldn't take much to tip the "balance" we have right now to start losing those challenges.
 
Lowers should still be fine - I am going to make one of these

Crap I can't get the pic to work - an AR lower with a bolt action upper - all nice and legal.
 
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Thanks for your help.

I'm on the bandwagon here, this is completely screwed. I got a call early this morning from a work buddy who works for Secret Service, said there was a big meeting this morning about it before it broke.




DarthRevan said:
If you've paid in full but have been delayed, you have bought the gun but you aren't yet in possession until the 4473 and EFA-10 are completed with a proceed.
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josh2600 said:
80%'s just got real popular.
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Not necessary. A lower still isn't even a firearm under MGL. Of course if dealers actually believe this edict, they might as well just outbound all their shit and close tomorrow, because it effectively means the AG can prosecute someone for whatever they want, at any time. I don't know how someone could effectively run a business of any kind in this kind of environment.

Of course if they do that then your statement becomes true.... [laugh]

-Mike
 
jar said:
Does anyone have a copy of MGL ch 140 sec 121 handy? The malegislature.gov site is broken.
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Section 121. As used in sections 122 to 131Q, inclusive, the following words shall, unless the context clearly requires otherwise, have the following meanings:?

''Ammunition'', cartridges or cartridge cases, primers (igniter), bullets or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm, rifle or shotgun. The term ''ammunition'' shall also mean tear gas cartridges.

''Assault weapon'', shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994, and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC?70); (iv) Colt AR?15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR and FNC; (vi) SWD M?10, M?11, M?11/9 and M?12; (vi) Steyr AUG; (vii) INTRATEC TEC?9, TEC?DC9 and TEC?22; and (viii) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as, or similar to, the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; provided, however, that the term assault weapon shall not include: (i) any of the weapons, or replicas or duplicates of such weapons, specified in appendix A to 18 U.S.C. section 922 as appearing in such appendix on September 13, 1994, as such weapons were manufactured on October 1, 1993; (ii) any weapon that is operated by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (iii) any weapon that has been rendered permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated a semiautomatic assault weapon; (iv) any weapon that was manufactured prior to the year 1899; (v) any weapon that is an antique or relic, theatrical prop or other weapon that is not capable of firing a projectile and which is not intended for use as a functional weapon and cannot be readily modified through a combination of available parts into an operable assault weapon; (vi) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; or (vii) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.

''Conviction'', a finding or verdict of guilt or a plea of guilty, whether or not final sentence is imposed.

''Deceptive weapon device'', any device that is intended to convey the presence of a rifle, shotgun or firearm that is used in the commission of a violent crime, as defined in this section, and which presents an objective threat of immediate death or serious bodily harm to a person of reasonable and average sensibility.

''Firearm'', a pistol, revolver or other weapon of any description, loaded or unloaded, from which a shot or bullet can be discharged and of which the length of the barrel or barrels is less than 16 inches or 18 inches in the case of a shotgun as originally manufactured; provided, however, that the term firearm shall not include any weapon that is: (i) constructed in a shape that does not resemble a handgun, short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun including, but not limited to, covert weapons that resemble key-chains, pens, cigarette-lighters or cigarette-packages; or (ii) not detectable as a weapon or potential weapon by x-ray machines commonly used at airports or walk- through metal detectors.

''Gunsmith'', any person who engages in the business of repairing, altering, cleaning, polishing, engraving, blueing or performing any mechanical operation on any firearm, rifle, shotgun or machine gun.

''Imitation firearm'', any weapon which is designed, manufactured or altered in such a way as to render it incapable of discharging a shot or bullet.

''Large capacity feeding device'', (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994. The term ''large capacity feeding device'' shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with,.22 caliber ammunition.

''Large capacity weapon'', any firearm, rifle or shotgun: (i) that is semiautomatic with a fixed large capacity feeding device; (ii) that is semiautomatic and capable of accepting, or readily modifiable to accept, any detachable large capacity feeding device; (iii) that employs a rotating cylinder capable of accepting more than ten rounds of ammunition in a rifle or firearm and more than five shotgun shells in the case of a shotgun or firearm; or (iv) that is an assault weapon. The term ''large capacity weapon'' shall be a secondary designation and shall apply to a weapon in addition to its primary designation as a firearm, rifle or shotgun and shall not include: (i) any weapon that was manufactured in or prior to the year 1899; (ii) any weapon that operates by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (iii) any weapon that is a single-shot weapon; (iv) any weapon that has been modified so as to render it permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated a large capacity weapon; or (v) any weapon that is an antique or relic, theatrical prop or other weapon that is not capable of firing a projectile and which is not intended for use as a functional weapon and cannot be readily modified through a combination of available parts into an operable large capacity weapon.

''Length of barrel'' or ''barrel length'', that portion of a firearm, rifle, shotgun or machine gun through which a shot or bullet is driven, guided or stabilized and shall include the chamber.

''Licensing authority'', the chief of police or the board or officer having control of the police in a city or town, or persons authorized by them.

''Machine gun'', a weapon of any description, by whatever name known, loaded or unloaded, from which a number of shots or bullets may be rapidly or automatically discharged by one continuous activation of the trigger, including a submachine gun.

''Purchase'' and ''sale'' shall include exchange; the word ''purchaser'' shall include exchanger; and the verbs ''sell'' and ''purchase'', in their different forms and tenses, shall include the verb exchange in its appropriate form and tense.

''Rifle'', a weapon having a rifled bore with a barrel length equal to or greater than 16 inches and capable of discharging a shot or bullet for each pull of the trigger.

''Sawed-off shotgun'', any weapon made from a shotgun, whether by alteration, modification or otherwise, if such weapon as modified has one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

''Semiautomatic'', capable of utilizing a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and requiring a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.

''Shotgun'', a weapon having a smooth bore with a barrel length equal to or greater than 18 inches with an overall length equal to or greater than 26 inches, and capable of discharging a shot or bullet for each pull of the trigger.

''Violent crime'', shall mean any crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year, or any act of juvenile delinquency involving the use or possession of a deadly weapon that would be punishable by imprisonment for such term if committed by an adult, that: (i) has as an element the use, attempted use or threatened use of physical force or a deadly weapon against the person of another; (ii) is burglary, extortion, arson or kidnapping; (iii) involves the use of explosives; or (iv) otherwise involves conduct that presents a serious risk of physical injury to another.

''Weapon'', any rifle, shotgun or firearm.

Where the local licensing authority has the power to issue licenses or cards under this chapter, but no such licensing authority exists, any resident or applicant may apply for such license or firearm identification card directly to the colonel of state police and said colonel shall for this purpose be the licensing authority.

The provisions of sections 122 to 129D, inclusive, and sections 131, 131A, 131B and 131E shall not apply to:

(A) any firearm, rifle or shotgun manufactured in or prior to the year 1899;

(B) any replica of any firearm, rifle or shotgun described in clause (A) if such replica: (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition; or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; and

(C) manufacturers or wholesalers of firearms, rifles, shotguns or machine guns.
 
AR15 BANNED IN MASS - CONTACT GOVERNOR BAKER !!!
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Suggested Talking Points:

The AG's proclamation is an outrageous overextension of power.

If this were passed by the Legislature, that's one thing. But she is making the law up as she goes along.

Does Governor Baker intend for every Gun Shop in this State to go out of business ?​
 
jar said:
Does anyone have a copy of MGL ch 140 sec 121 handy? The malegislature.gov site is broken.
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“Assault weapon”, shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994, and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR and FNC; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9 and M-12; (vi) Steyr AUG; (vii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (viii) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as, or similar to, the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; provided, however, that the term assault weapon shall not include: (i) any of the weapons, or replicas or duplicates of such weapons, specified in appendix A to 18 U.S.C. section 922 as appearing in such appendix on September 13, 1994, as such weapons were manufactured on October 1, 1993; (ii) any weapon that is operated by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (iii) any weapon that has been rendered permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated a semiautomatic assault weapon; (iv) any weapon that was manufactured prior to the year 1899; (v) any weapon that is an antique or relic, theatrical prop or other weapon that is not capable of firing a projectile and which is not intended for use as a functional weapon and cannot be readily modified through a combination of available parts into an operable assault weapon; (vi) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; or (vii) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine."

SCAR's, Tavors, etc.
 
cant be mad at dealers they have to cover their asses maybe a new industry of 80% lowers and such since there was no mention of that
 
GM-GUY said:
Lowers should still be fine - I am going to make one of these

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At least until the legislature changes the definition of "firearm" to include stripped lowers.
 
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