H4102 is DEAD Congratulations all and thank you.

outside of this forum, and in just a few local newspaper articles, I hear very little about this issue. (aside fom my own espousing to anyone willing to listen)

What could be done to create more general awareness of this situation? Is there a way to get more MA voting eyes on this?
 
I would (and I hope others would too) make more contributions to GOAL if it were to be used in counter-advertisement/news stories which state actual facts to let folks see the BS in this bill.

I think we need some national attention and assistance/publicity from other large Pro2A organizations.
GOAL has done a great job! Maybe we can help them do more.

I've written and called everyone twice. What's next?
 
Rob said:
Are there honestly so few people concerned about this anymore? If you are reading this, you had better have called or done something.
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Rob, we'e on it, i called the list twice, i called my Senator and Rep 3 times. I have sent email
to both and got zip for replies. i could always start again on monday.???
any other ideas.
 
I received a letter from Rep. Mike Rodrigues in response to my letter to him. He states quite bluntly that he is opposed to H. 4102 and supports H. 2259.

So far, he is the only legislator who has responded to me regarding this issue.
 
center442 said:
I received a letter from Rep. Mike Rodrigues in response to my letter to him. He states quite bluntly that he is opposed to H. 4102 and supports H. 2259.

So far, he is the only legislator who has responded to me regarding this issue.
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Write back and ask him if by "supports" whether he means he will merely vote for 2259, or will go out and actively fight to get it passed, including recruiting others to do the same. We need to take this fight to the end.
 
JimB said:
Rob, we'e on it, i called the list twice, i called my Senator and Rep 3 times. I have sent email
to both and got zip for replies. i could always start again on monday.???
any other ideas.
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Those of you that have called, written, and emailed are are to be congratulated for helping. My posts are to kick lazy people in the ass and get them motivated. I also try to keep this thread on the front page so please excuse all the posts and TTT's.
 
No mention of the gun laws, but the same rules apply here:

Legislation is flying at Statehouse

Sunday, July 18, 2010

Legislation is flying at Statehouse


John J. Monahan MASS POLITICS
[email protected]
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Bills were flying out of the House and Senate like the Statehouse was on fire last week.

The sudden burst of serious decision-making on a host of major issues won't last long, however. The frantic pace is just an indication that the start of the Legislature's summer-fall vacation and campaign period is just around the corner.

Come July 31 lawmakers will end their formal sessions for the year. Ten days before that, lawmakers must pass any bills that may be subject to vetoes if they want a chance to override them in formal session before the break.

That will set up votes early this week on an expected compromise bill on casinos, with or without slot parlors, at four race tracks. Otherwise, lawmakers risk giving the governor the final say on expanded gambling.

If they cannot agree on a bill by the end of the formal session, expanded gaming will die for the year.

The problem is that the conference committee charged with resolving differences between the House's two casino-four track parlor bill, and the Senate's three casino no track parlor bill, is struggling to find a compromise.

While those are the major differences, hundreds of other points of contention permeate the bill, including whether to space them out in geographical districts or let the free market and a new gaming commission decide the type and location of the casinos.

Also bogged down in conference committee is legislation for mandatory sentencing and criminal record reforms, sought by leaders of the House and Senate, the governor and hundreds of community, church and law enforcement organizations.

House leaders said last week they could not back the Senate version that would allow those serving mandatory sentences for drug dealing to get out on parole after serving two thirds of their terms. In an election year, they said, some lawmakers are worried about being attacked as being soft on crime.

Senate leaders are insisting the sentencing reforms to address overcrowding of jails and widely perceived racial and geographical inequities of lengthy mandatory sentences for non-violent offenders, be included in the final bill.

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Local control, traditionally a core value in Central Massachusetts towns that dates back to Colonial days, was at the heart of arguments over a bill to streamline and simplify the process of siting wind turbines around the state.

State Rep. Paul Kujawski, D-Webster, said he had no problem with the bill that would allow a local siting board and a state review board to approve turbine sites, setting up an alternative to local planning board review. The bill could make it easier to site a proposed 11-turbine wind farm next to Douglas State Forest, a prospect Mr. Kujawski said he can live with.

His legislative colleague, state Rep. Anne Gobi, D-Spencer, likes green power as much as Mr. Kujawski, but … “I did vote against it,” she said.

“It was actually a difficult vote for me because I am very much in favor of renewable energy. In fact we have a wind turbine in Templeton that I helped to get for the town. It's on the grounds at Narragansett High School. That went through a local process. It had the support of town's people,” she said and the current permitting system worked fine.

Other wind projects, however, have proven highly controversial and in some case gone through long delays because neighbors opposing them can use the current appeals process to delay them for years.

“My deal was that it just came down to the local control issue,” Ms. Gobi said, adding more rural districts are more likely to host wind farms. “I am not opposed to wind and alternative energy but I am opposed to not allowing enough local control,” she said.

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In the something for nothing department, lawmakers have decided to upgrade the state's colleges without investing in more faculty labs or facilities and while imposing a 12 percent budget cut.

A bill to rename state colleges as universities has been passed by both chambers by wide margins and is expected to get through the final formality of an enactment vote this week and go to the governor's desk.

If it becomes law, Worcester State College would become Worcester State University. Fitchburg State would become Fitchburg State University. Fees and tuition at all the state schools are going up considerably this fall, with or without the status change. Trustees have made the case that many other states have upgraded diplomas from their smaller state colleges by designating them as universities.

“University status will enhance the degree they receive from the college they have always trusted,” and make graduates more competitive in the job market, said John P. Brissette, chairman of the Worcester State College Board of Trustees.

The bill would not grandfather diplomas of past graduates of the state colleges to retroactively upgrade the credentials of alumni. Also, legislators said the bill will not allow unions at the colleges to merge with university unions to get the higher pay earned by the staff at the University of Massachusetts.

Meanwhile, one UMass graduate noted, the change may enhance the value of the college degrees at the expense of UMass graduates, whose university diplomas may not seem quite so special in the future.

•

Quote of Note: “It's a no-bid contract because there's no bid. Plain and simple.”

— Inspector General Gregory W. Sullivan in StateHouse News interview on the risk of not getting full value of state gaming licenses under the House-backed plan to award slot parlor licenses to four existing racetracks.

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Bump - MAKE THE CALLS!!!

Rob said:
In case you didn't get the memo, your action is needed!!!

CALL EVERYONE ON THE HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE IMMEDIATELY!

Polling (voting) is taking place so you need to act NOW.

Go take a few minute bathroom break and make some calls.
After all, if you are at work, you're reading this so you can't be THAT busy.​

Emails can be ignored. Speaking to an aid takes up more of their time.

Melt the statehouse phone systems.​


If you don't get someone right away, leave a message AND CALL AGAIN LATER!​


2010 MA House Ways and Means Committee:

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
CHARLES A. MURPHY Telephone: 617-722-2990
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
BARBARA A. L'ITALIEN Telephone: 617-722-2380
Email: Rep.BarbaraL'[email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
STEPHEN KULIK Telephone: 617-722-2380
E-Mail: [email protected]
Opposed

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
ANGELO M. SCACCIA Telephone: 617-722-2060
E-Mail Address: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
GLORIA L. FOX Telephone: (617) 722-2810
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
ROBERT M. KOCZERA Telephone: 617-722-2582
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
CHRISTINE E. CANAVAN Telephone: 617-722-2575
E-Mail: [email protected]
Opposed

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
JAMES H. FAGAN Telephone: 617-722-2430
E-Mail: [email protected]
Opposed

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
JOHN F. QUINN Telephone: 617-722-2020
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
COLLEEN M. GARRY Telephone: 617-722-2380
E-Mail: [email protected]
Opposed

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
GERALDINE CREEDON Telephone: 617-722-2305
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
MICHAEL J. RODRIGUES Telephone: (617) 722-2230
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
RUTH B. BALSER Telephone: 617-722-2460
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
WALTER F. TIMILTY Telephone: 617-722-2810
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
MICHAEL F. KANE Telephone: 617-722-2263
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
CHRISTOPHER J. DONELAN Telephone: 617-722-2230
Email: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
MICHAEL F. RUSH Telephone: 617-722-2637
Email:[email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
JOSEPH R. DRISCOLL Telephone: 617-722-2396
E-Mail Address: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
DENIS E. GUYER Telephone: 617-722-2210
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
CARL M. SCIORTINO, JR. Telephone: 617-722-2400
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
TOM SANNICANDRO Telephone: 617-722-2011
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
JAMES T. WELCH Telephone: 617-722-2396
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
CHRISTOPHER N. SPERANZO Telephone: 617-722-2396
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
ROBERT L. RICE, JR. Telephone: 617-722-2014
E-Mail: [email protected]
Opposed

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
THOMAS P. CONROY Telephone: 617-722-2460
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
VIRIATO MANUEL deMACEDO Telephone: 617-722-2100
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
ROBERT S. HARGRAVES Telephone: (617) 722-2305
E-Mail: [email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
JEFFREY D. PERRY Telephone: 617-722-2396
Email: [email protected]
Opposed

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
KARYN E. POLITO Telephone: 617-722-2230
E-Mail:[email protected]

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
TODD M. SMOLA Telephone: 617-722-2240
E-Mail: [email protected]
Opposed

STATE REPRESENTATIVE
DANIEL K. WEBSTER Telephone: 617-722-2487
Email: [email protected]




Call and email or roll over and take it.

Don't just talk about it.

DO SOMETHING TO HELP.​

And thanks to everyone pushing this to the top. Let's keep it there until this is done one way or another.
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Just emailed all of them. As I started sending, I found a very apropos quotation and added it to the signature of all of the emails that followed:

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A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures.
-- Daniel Webster
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Maybe useful for everybody else, too.




nick
 
lord1234 said:
Sannicandro- My parents rep. I promised him he'd be losing two votes if he was to vote for this bill.
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He's one of My Reps. I have written him many emails regarding H.2259, H.4102 and other non firearm related topics and I have never received a reply of any sort. He will lose my vote.
 
I've emailed everyone on the committee today. I received immediate correspondence since with Rep. Bob Rice. He's very opposed to H4102 and supports H2259. Why can't I get him for my rep!?
 
Is anyone having email issues? I keep getting every @hou.state.ma.us address bounced back with a "No Such Host" error, but the @HWM.state.ma.us addresses seem to work fine.
 
It appears they are now playing the YouTube video of the two hacks at the Statehouse in an effort to get traction for this bill. From the State House News Service:

ADVANCES - WEEK OF JULY 18, 2010
STATE HOUSE NEWS SERVICE

3. GUN CRIME: Gov. Patrick's effort to limit gun purchases to one per month has gained little traction in the House despite a promise by Speaker Robert DeLeo that the bill would see floor debate. With two weeks left for formal legislative business, each day dims the prospect that Patrick's bill (H 4102) will clear the House in time for Senate passage and agreement between the branches. Patrick has pointed to recent gun violence in Boston as proof for why the gun bill is needed, while critics have argued the bill would penalize lawful gun owners and do little to fight crime. Patrick says the proposal would crack down on "straw purchases" in which a legal gun buyer purchases guns in bulk and distributes them to illegal buyers who use them for street crime. On Thursday, Rep. David Linsky (D-Natick) urged colleagues to oppose a bill by Rep. George Peterson (R-Grafton) that gun ownership advocates have supported as an alternative to the governor's bill. Patrick's bill would also require firearm resellers to log their transactions, establish dangerousness hearings for gun crimes, and establish a felony crime for possession of a gun while committing a misdemeanor that involves the use of force. Linsky urges colleagues who may oppose the one-gun-per-month provision to back other aspects of the bill. Citizens for Public Safety has put together a video featuring testimonials from two gun owners who back the one-gun-per-month provision. During the two-minute video, the words "This is crime control, not gun control" flash across the screen.
 
MA_Shooter said:
It appears they are now playing the YouTube video of the two hacks at the Statehouse in an effort to get traction for this bill. From the State House News Service:

ADVANCES - WEEK OF JULY 18, 2010
STATE HOUSE NEWS SERVICE

3. GUN CRIME: Gov. Patrick's effort to limit gun purchases to one per month has gained little traction in the House despite a promise by Speaker Robert DeLeo that the bill would see floor debate. With two weeks left for formal legislative business, each day dims the prospect that Patrick's bill (H 4102) will clear the House in time for Senate passage and agreement between the branches. Patrick has pointed to recent gun violence in Boston as proof for why the gun bill is needed, while critics have argued the bill would penalize lawful gun owners and do little to fight crime. Patrick says the proposal would crack down on "straw purchases" in which a legal gun buyer purchases guns in bulk and distributes them to illegal buyers who use them for street crime. On Thursday, Rep. David Linsky (D-Natick) urged colleagues to oppose a bill by Rep. George Peterson (R-Grafton) that gun ownership advocates have supported as an alternative to the governor's bill. Patrick's bill would also require firearm resellers to log their transactions, establish dangerousness hearings for gun crimes, and establish a felony crime for possession of a gun while committing a misdemeanor that involves the use of force. Linsky urges colleagues who may oppose the one-gun-per-month provision to back other aspects of the bill. Citizens for Public Safety has put together a video featuring testimonials from two gun owners who back the one-gun-per-month provision. During the two-minute video, the words "This is crime control, not gun control" flash across the screen.
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"Crime Control Not Gun Control" is the bumper sticker I just put on my truck that GOAL was nice enough to give away to NES members. They're using our own words against us!
 
Sorry but I'm tired of this, is it really doing ANY good? Out of all the work all these weeks, i got 2 em's and 1 call. We sit here doing this and listening to how our opponents are using billboards, you tube, TV ads, TV talk shows, rallies or whatever. all we do is this.

It is probably to late now but we needed to get a rally of our own going at say the state house or something. We need to get the message out to the masses, to dispute what Patrick says the bill is for. We need to reach the people who don't have time for the Internet and might be walking by or watching the news. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE!!

why can't goal set something like this up? how much can it cost for a mike, speakers (they had them at the banquet) and someone to put out the message? They could announce it via their weekly em. Hell i would go for just a crowd with signs we made ourselves, and actually I'm sure someone here could be the speaker. It doesn't have to be someone famous, just us normal folks. Also this could be done on a Saturday for those worried about work. Even if all we have is people with signs and maybe a free standing sign listing goals talking points which people can read for themselves.

Sorry for the rant I'm just frustrated knowing that they are just going to do what they want anyway. I'm all out of faith in our pols tonight.
 
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Maj. Boom Boom said:
Sorry but I'm tired of this, is it really doing ANY good? Out of all the work all these weeks, i got 2 em's and 1 call. We sit here doing this and listening to how our opponents are using billboards, you tube, TV ads, TV talk shows, rallies or whatever. all we do is this.

It is probably to late now but we needed to get a rally of our own going at say the state house or something. We need to get the message out to the masses, to dispute what Patrick says the bill is for. We need to reach the people who don't have time for the Internet and might be walking by or watching the news. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE!!

why can't goal set something like this up? how much can it cost for a mike, speakers (they had them at the banquet) and someone to put out the message? They could announce it via their weekly em. Hell i would go for just a crowd with signs we made ourselves, and actually I'm sure someone here could be the speaker. It doesn't have to be someone famous, just us normal folks. Also this could be done on a Saturday for those worried about work. Even if all we have is people with signs and maybe a free standing sign listing goals talking points which people can read for themselves.

Sorry for the rant I'm just frustrated knowing that they are just going to do what they want anyway. I'm all out of faith in our pols tonight.
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It is working, the bill would have been passed had no one called. That's not to say that it still might not pass, the libs are using every trick in their books to try and ram it through.

Having a rally is not without risk. If there is a poor showing, they will use that against us. Even if there was a very good showing, the media would not cover it. Twist and spin, it's what they do. It's all they have. Don't give them the ammo.

I'm almost of the mind to wish it did pass so we could then fight the unconstitutionality of it. Nothing will ever get better until many of these BS laws are unwound and challenged.

The anti's will never stop, they won't be happy till only criminals have guns. They don't live in reality. I know, broken record/preaching to the choir. I just needed to say it.
 
There comes a time when the Rep's aides, receiving repetitious calls and emails from the same individual, get annoyed and offended by our actions. I know this because my Senator's aide responded to an email and quoted, from earlier emails to me, exactly what she had told me. She had a file of all my emails. I got the point. We need these people as friends and allies. To hammer and harrass them will not win them over.

I don't know exactly where to draw the line on the frequency of calls/emails. I do think that our Reps know how they will vote on this by now. I know my guy is in our camp all the way so I never bother him with excessive contact.

Edit to add: I should also say that my Rep knows that I work with his campaign people at election time. It helps for us to get involved politically before we need their support. Don't be a Johnny Come Lately.
 
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There comes a time when the Rep's aides, receiving repetitious calls and emails from the same individual, get annoyed and offended by our actions. I know this because my Senator's aide responded to an email and quoted, from earlier emails to me, exactly what she had told me. She had a file of all my emails I got the point. We need these people as friends and allies. To hammer and harras them will not win them over.

I don't know exactly where to draw the line on the frequency of calls/emails. I do think that our Reps know how they will vote on this by now. I know my guy is in our camp all the way so I never bother him with excessive contact.
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Yup I know what you are saying... I had a senator write me back and said I think I responded to you already but just in case you didn't receive it. Then he went on, with the same thing as the email before.
 
Yes, you should not be calling over and over again. It becomes counter productive. If you have called, you need to have other people call. Push your friends and family to call. Get on other NESr's backs to call.
 
The whole purpose behind my large annoying posts is to get NEW people to call, not the same ones. What do you think this is? An ACORN sponsored vote early vote often presidential election?

Rallies and the like are useless and counter productive unless we can get TONS of people to join in. Most of us have jobs, unlike the stay at home anti-gun soccer moms and Prius driving snotty libtards who have nothing better to do than swoon at anything Sir Patrick the Useless puts out.

We need to target the legislators who actually make the final call, not the 'people' who have no say in the matter. This is not a ballot question.

One never knows how this would work due to the FUDD factor, but perhaps people should contact their sportsman's club and ask the BOD or powers-that-be to put something out to the members. Word needs to be spread about this. People need to get motivated to do something. This should have been happening all along but alas, GOAL can can only do so much.

I hope everyone that has posted in this thread is a GOAL member. If not, why not?
 

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