H4102 is DEAD Congratulations all and thank you.

BenDover · Jun 21, 2010

Responses came in from:

Senator Jennifer L. Flanagan
Representative Robert L. Rice, Jr.

Neither are in support of 4102 according to their e-mail.

Len-2A Training · Jun 21, 2010

Coyote33 said:
I got that also.

Here is what I sent back:

You have no idea who Mike Moore is, do you?

Here's a hint:
He spoke at GOAL's Banquet Saturday night. I can guarantee you that he's on the same page as GOAL and George Peterson (who sponsored the bill for GOAL).

Coyote33 · Jun 21, 2010

LenS said:
You have no idea who Mike Moore is, do you?

Here's a hint:
He spoke at GOAL's Banquet Saturday night. I can guarantee you that he's on the same page as GOAL and George Peterson (who sponsored the bill for GOAL).

Actually, I do have a slight inkling. He also spoke at my club. He has always been responsive and attentive to our cause. That doesn't mean I've seen quotes from the paper where he is outspoken on RKBA issues. He always votes the right way, but I was hoping for some more strong moving forward type activity like Peterson and Brewer often espoouse. Those guys are getting older, and we need some newer "young blood" to carry that torch once they retire.

kevin9 · Jun 21, 2010

lord1234 said:
Woo that was a fun half hour. Here's a break down:

Senator Baddour abstained in the earlier vote but is AGAINST this bill after speaking with one of his aides. His aide was very supportive.
Senator Hart voted in favor of it in the previous vote. I could not get a reason frmo the phone rep as to why he voted this way.
Senator McGee voted in favor in the previous vote. Aide said this was a "public safety concern"
Senator tarr is opposed. A blessing on his home.
Rep O'Flaherty's office knew the number before I even had to say it! But no idea what his position is, but we're making a dent folks!
Rep Speranzo did not pick up the phone at the state house. They also did not pick up at their district office.
Rep Fagan is opposed. May he see many reelections.
Rep Garry has told the chairman that she is opposed to this bill. May she continue to uphold the constitution of these united states.
Rep St. Fleur did not pick up
Rep clark did not pick up
Rep Gregoire is supposedly opposed with the bill. She felt that it was punishing law abiding gun owners. Good for her.
Rep Dwyer is against it. He will vote no for this bill if it comes back. Good for him.
Rep Fernandes did not pick up.

Alchemist17 said:
6-5 vote in favor from a 15-member committee. Who abstained?

As I read the numbers Someone, or ones, is lying!

Also interesting is that Speranzo is rated "A" and O'Flaherty and Fernandes are rated "B" by GOAL yet all 3 of them had no position when called and apparently at least abstained.
[grenade]

Friday · Jun 21, 2010

Rob Boudrie said:
Two more words:

Federal disqualifier

You wanna make an omelette, ya gotta break a few eggs....

I guess you're right. I'll just sit here and let it be someone else's problem.

MA_Shooter · Jun 21, 2010

Here's a list of MA Representatives, emails, and phone numbers. Let them all know what you think of H4102. Area code 617:

Aguiar, Kevin [email protected] 722-2140
Alicea, Geraldo [email protected] 722-2060
Allen, Willie Mae [email protected] 722-2460
Arciero, James [email protected] 722-2320
Ashe, Brian [email protected] 722-2090
Atkins, Cory [email protected] 722-2692
Atsalis, Demetrius J. [email protected] 722-2810
Ayers, Bruce J. [email protected] 722-2230
Balser, Ruth B. [email protected] 722-2460
Barrows, Fred [email protected] 722-2488
Basile, Carlo P. [email protected] 722-2637
Benson, Jennifer [email protected] 722-2130
Binienda, John J. [email protected] 722-2692
Bosley, Daniel E. [email protected] 722-2017
Bowles, Bill [email protected] 722-2400
Bradley, Garrett J. [email protected] 722-2520
Brady, Michael [email protected] 722-2014
Brownsberger, William [email protected] 722-2676
Cabral, Antonio F. D. [email protected] 722-2017
Callahan, Jennifer M. [email protected] 722-2130
Calter, Thomas J. [email protected] 722-2305
Campbell, Linda Dean [email protected] 722-2877
Canavan, Christine E. [email protected] 722-2575
Canessa, Stephen R. [email protected] 722-2460
Cantwell, James [email protected] 722-2014
Clark, Katherine [email protected] 722-2220
Coakley-Rivera, Cheryl A. [email protected] 722-2014
Conroy, Thomas [email protected] 722-2460
Costello, Michael A. [email protected] 722-2230
Creedon, Geraldine [email protected] 722-2305
Curran, Sean [email protected] 722-2263
D’Amico, Steven Rep.StevenD'[email protected] 722-2014
DeLeo, Robert A. [email protected] 722-2500
deMacedo, Viriato Manuel [email protected] 722-2100
Dempsey, Brian S. [email protected] 722-2370
DiNatale, Stephen [email protected] 722-2460
Donato, Paul J. [email protected] 722-2090
Donelan, Christopher J. [email protected] 722-2230
Driscoll, Joseph R. [email protected] 722-2396
Dwyer, James [email protected] 722-2014
Dykema, Carolyn [email protected] 722-2210
Ehrlich, Lori [email protected] 722-2013
Evangelidis, Lewis G. [email protected] 722-2263
Fagan, James H. [email protected] 722-2430
Fallon, Christopher G. [email protected] 722-2430
Falzone, Mark V. [email protected] 722-2020
Fennell, Robert F. [email protected] 722-2575
Fernandes, John [email protected] 722-2396
Ferrante, Ann-Margaret [email protected] 722-2080
Finegold, Barry R. [email protected] 722-2263
Flynn, David L. [email protected] 722-2013
Forry, Linda Dorcena [email protected] 722-2080
Fox, Gloria L. [email protected] 722-2810
Fresolo, John P. [email protected] 722-2240
Frost, Paul K. [email protected] 722-2489
Galvin, William C. [email protected] 722-2582
Garballey, Sean [email protected] 722-2400
Garry, Colleen M. [email protected] 722-2380
Gifford, Susan W. [email protected] 722-2976
Gobi, Anne M. [email protected] 722-2080
Golden, Thomas A., Jr. [email protected] 722-2450
Grant, Mary E. [email protected] 722-2430
Greene, William G., Jr. [email protected] 722-2210
Gregoire, Danielle [email protected] 722-2080
Guyer, Denis E. [email protected] 722-2210
Haddad, Patricia A. [email protected] 722-2180
Hargraves, Robert S. [email protected] 722-2305
Harkins, Lida E. [email protected] 722-2230
Hecht, Jonathan [email protected] 722-2140
Hill, Bradford [email protected] 722-2100
Hogan, Kate [email protected] 722-2060
Honan, Kevin G. [email protected] 722-2470
Humason, Donald F., Jr. [email protected] 722-2803
Jones, Bradley H., Jr. [email protected] 722-2100
Kafka, Louis L. [email protected] 722-2960
Kane, Michael F. [email protected] 722-2263
Kaufman, Jay R. [email protected] 722-2320
Keenan, John, D. [email protected] 722-2015
Khan, Kay [email protected] 722-2011
Kocot, Peter V. [email protected] 722-2040
Koczera, Robert M. [email protected] 722-2582
Koutoujian, Peter J. [email protected] 722-2220
Kujawski, Paul [email protected] 722-2017
Kulik, Stephen [email protected] 722-2380
Lewis, Jason [email protected] 722-2060
Linsky, David P. [email protected] 722-2575
L'Italien, Barbara A. Rep.BarbaraL'[email protected] 722-2380
Madden, Timothy [email protected] 722-2810
Malia, Elizabeth A. [email protected] 722-2060
Mariano, Ronald [email protected] 722-2300
McCarthy, Allen [email protected] 722-2070
McMurtry, Paul [email protected] 722-2460
Miceli, James R. [email protected] 722-2460
Michlewitz, Aaron M. [email protected] 722-2489
Moran, Michael [email protected] 722-2460
Murphy, Charles A. [email protected] 722-2990
Murphy, James M. [email protected] 722-2220
Murphy, Kevin J. [email protected] 722-2877
Nangle, David M. [email protected] 722-2020
Naughton, Harold P., Jr. [email protected] 722-2877
Nyman, Robert J. [email protected] 722-2220
O'Day, James J. Rep.JamesO'[email protected] 722-2220
O'Flaherty, Eugene L. [email protected] 722-2396
Patrick, Matthew [email protected] 722-2090
Peake, Sarah K. [email protected] 722-2210
Pedone, Vincent A. [email protected] 722-2410
Peisch, Alice H. [email protected] 722-2320
Perry, Jeffrey D. [email protected] 722-2396
Peterson, George N., Jr. [email protected] 722-2100
Petrolati, Thomas M. [email protected] 722-2255
Pignatelli, William Smitty [email protected] 722-2582
Poirier, Elizabeth A. [email protected] 722-2100
Polito, Karyn E. [email protected] 722-2230
Provost, Denise [email protected] 722-2210
Puppolo, Angelo [email protected] 722-2011
Quinn, John F. [email protected] 722-2020
Reinstein, Kathi-Anne [email protected] 722-2783
Rice, Robert L, Jr. [email protected] 722-2014
Richardson, Pam [email protected] 722-2582
Rodrigues, Michael J. [email protected] 722-2230
Rogers, John H. [email protected] 722-2040
Rosa, Dennis [email protected] 722-2060
Rush, Michael F. [email protected] 722-2637
Rushing, Byron [email protected] 722-2006
Sánchez, Jeffrey Rep.JeffreySá[email protected] 722-2130
Sandlin, Rosemary [email protected] 722-2400
Sannicandro, Tom [email protected] 722-2011
Scaccia, Angelo M. [email protected] 722-2060
Scibak, John W. [email protected] 722-2370
Sciortino, Carl [email protected] 722-2400
Smith, Stephen [email protected] 722-2400
Smizik, Frank Israel [email protected] 722-2676
Smola, Todd M. [email protected] 722-2240
Speliotis, Theodore C. [email protected] 722-2030
Spellane, Robert P. [email protected] 722-2240
Speranzo, Christopher [email protected] 722-2396
Spiliotis, Joyce A. [email protected] 722-2430
St. Fleur, Marie P. [email protected] 722-2030
Stanley, Harriett L. [email protected] 722-2430
Stanley, Thomas M. [email protected] 722-2810
Story, Ellen [email protected] 722-2012
Straus, William M. [email protected] 722-2210
Sullivan, David B. [email protected] 722-2230
Swan, Benjamin [email protected] 722-2680
Timilty, Walter F. [email protected] 722-2810
Tobin, A. Stephen [email protected] 722-2575
Toomey, Timothy J., Jr. [email protected] 722-2380
Torrisi, David M. [email protected] 722-2013
Turner, Cleon H. [email protected] 722-2090
Vallee, James E. [email protected] 722-2600
Wagner, Joseph F. [email protected] 722-2400
Wallace, Brian P. [email protected] 722-2013
Walsh, Martin J. [email protected] 722-2090
Walsh, Steven M. [email protected] 722-2140
Walz, Martha M. [email protected] 722-2070
Webster, Daniel K. [email protected] 722-2487
Welch, James T. [email protected] 722-2396
Wolf, Alice K. [email protected] 722-2810

MA_Shooter · Jun 21, 2010

CMF · Jun 22, 2010

I have a few questions about this legislation and the hearing, for Jim and anyone else who might be interested:

Can I speak at the hearing if I am not a US citizen (yet)?

If I was to speak, I have two ideas. One would be to present the scientific research on one-gun-a-month laws, which shows that they have no effect. I do scientific research for a living, although not in that field, so I might have some credibility. Another possibility is to go after the prohibition on FA-10 transfers. This seems to me to be a no-brainer, as you are already limited to 4 (but you can buy 12 guns) and they are reported to the state. There is probably research published on this as well. Recommendations?

Do you think there is a chance of getting the FA-10 provision taken out, even if the whole bill is passed? It seems that media attention is focused on one-gun-a-month and machineguns for kids, so the pols might be willing to compromise on this.

Knuckle Dragger · Jun 22, 2010

CMF said:
I have a few questions about this legislation and the hearing, for Jim and anyone else who might be interested:

Can I speak at the hearing if I am not a US citizen (yet)?

If I was to speak, I have two ideas. One would be to present the scientific research on one-gun-a-month laws, which shows that they have no effect. I do scientific research for a living, although not in that field, so I might have some credibility. Another possibility is to go after the prohibition on FA-10 transfers. This seems to me to be a no-brainer, as you are already limited to 4 (but you can buy 12 guns) and they are reported to the state. There is probably research published on this as well. Recommendations?

Do you think there is a chance of getting the FA-10 provision taken out, even if the whole bill is passed? It seems that media attention is focused on one-gun-a-month and machineguns for kids, so the pols might be willing to compromise on this.

I doubt the bill will be changed at all if it goes through and driving people to dealers is intended to just make it hard for people and to improve the state's record keeping. But, the requirement when taken with the EOPPS list and the AG Regs potentially raises the interesting constitutional question of 'taking'. If you cannot sell or transfer your otherwise legally owned handguns because it is illegal for a dealer to do so, the state has effectively seized your property.

GOAL C.M. · Jun 22, 2010

CMF said:
I have a few questions about this legislation and the hearing, for Jim and anyone else who might be interested:

Can I speak at the hearing if I am not a US citizen (yet)?

If I was to speak, I have two ideas. One would be to present the scientific research on one-gun-a-month laws, which shows that they have no effect. I do scientific research for a living, although not in that field, so I might have some credibility. Another possibility is to go after the prohibition on FA-10 transfers. This seems to me to be a no-brainer, as you are already limited to 4 (but you can buy 12 guns) and they are reported to the state. There is probably research published on this as well. Recommendations?

Do you think there is a chance of getting the FA-10 provision taken out, even if the whole bill is passed? It seems that media attention is focused on one-gun-a-month and machineguns for kids, so the pols might be willing to compromise on this.

There most likely will not be a public hearing. The best way to be heard is to visit your Rep/Senator in person.

NFD9 · Jun 22, 2010

Knuckle Dragger said:
But, the requirement when taken with the EOPPS list and the AG Regs potentially raises the interesting constitutional question of 'taking'. If you cannot sell or transfer your otherwise legally owned handguns because it is illegal for a dealer to do so, the state has effectively seized your property.

Good point, +1 to you.
Nobody would be able to buy used non-EOPS list (unless documented in state before 98) /AG approved guns. You would have to sell them out of state.
Another way for them to rid the state of guns.

amb · Jun 22, 2010

Another of the goofier features of this is the one gun or magazine a month provision. Given that, I don't see where you can even give lip service to this being reasonable, though there are some who are totally up-front about preferring a complete ban and who don't care.

JackDaniels · Jun 22, 2010

CMF said:
I have a few questions about this legislation and the hearing, for Jim and anyone else who might be interested:

Can I speak at the hearing if I am not a US citizen (yet)?

No offense to you at all, but I do not want non-US citizens being able to influence matters in this country. Whether you agree with what I am for or not.

I hope that you do become a US citizen, and wish you the best of luck, and hope that you will continue to support the right things. I, for one, want the kind of people that you sound like you are to be citizens of this country. However, until then, it wouldn't be right.

Knuckle Dragger · Jun 22, 2010

amb said:
Another of the goofier features of this is the one gun or magazine a month provision. Given that, I don't see where you can even give lip service to this being reasonable, though there are some who are totally up-front about preferring a complete ban and who don't care.

Not only that, but the provision applies to 'renting'. Does that mean a place like AFS can only let you try one gun a month??????

MA_Shooter · Jun 22, 2010

Message received from Bradley Jones - 20th Middlesex District:

Oppose H4102, support H2259

Coyote33 · Jun 22, 2010

MA_Shooter said:
Message received from Bradley Jones - 20th Middlesex District:

Oppose H4102, support H2259

Again, if you get the chance, ask Bradley Jones to FIGHT FOR 2259 and ACTIVELY OPPOSE and URGE OTHER LEGISLATORS TO DO THE SAME for 4102. We need to take the fight to Beacon Hill, not just a passive thumbs up or down. We need some OOMPH in our legislators' voices!

Dirtypacman · Jun 22, 2010

Made my calls today - let's see if I get any return followup.

MA_Shooter · Jun 22, 2010

Coyote33 said:
Again, if you get the chance, ask Bradley Jones to FIGHT FOR 2259 and ACTIVELY OPPOSE and URGE OTHER LEGISLATORS TO DO THE SAME for 4102. We need to take the fight to Beacon Hill, not just a passive thumbs up or down. We need some OOMPH in our legislators' voices!

I agree....he's actually a co-sponsor of the bill [wink]

I didn't check until after posting his reply.

Mike S · Jun 22, 2010

Thanks everyone for the continued work.

Here is a line by line analysis of H.4102, more info for your conversations!

http://goal.org/Documents/4102_talking_points.pdf

Dirtypacman · Jun 22, 2010

Mike S said:
Thanks everyone for the continued work.

Here is a line by line analysis of H.4102, more info for your conversations!

http://goal.org/Documents/4102_talking_points.pdf

Got that printed out in my back pocket - studying up and hope I get a call from one of my reps to discuss

Alchemist17 · Jun 22, 2010

Just E-mailed the house ... an awful lot of them are "Out of Office"

GOAL C.M. · Jun 22, 2010

GOAL Executive Director Jim Wallace will be speaking to a national Sirius Radio audience tonight @10:20 pm about H.4102 with Cam Edwards of "Cam & Company" fame.

Listen in for free on NRANews.com

altmf · Jun 22, 2010

More good news. My reply from Rep. Guyer - Berkshire County:

Mr. XXXXXXXX,
I am opposed to H4102. I have long been a supporter of gun-owner rights, and I will support H2259.
Thanks,

DENIS E. GUYER
State Representative
Second Berkshire District

I think it's starting to catch on...

dwarven1 · Jun 22, 2010

GOAL C.M. said:
GOAL Executive Director Jim Wallace will be speaking to a national Sirius Radio audience tonight @10:20 pm about H.4102 with Cam Edwards of "Cam & Company" fame.

Listen in for free on NRANews.com

Just bumping this to the top.

JimB · Jun 23, 2010

i called Gregoire and Eldridge yesterday, neither were there.

Its my understanding that Gregoire is opposed and that Eldridge is rated A+ by GOAL..

Makes no difference to me i called anyway i left a phone number
but don't expect to hear back from them.

dwarven1 · Jun 23, 2010

Eldridge will call you back; Gregoire won't.

sptrac440 · Jun 23, 2010

Looking for a little help here. Can someone explain to me why I don’t see or hear any Representative who is against H.4102 on TV, in the newspaper, on the radio explaining to the citizens of Ma why this is a bad bill and what it really will do? I just finished reading Goals’ line by line analysis of H.4102 to me it doesn’t matter if you are a shooter or not, ANYONE with a little common sense can understand this bill is useless.
We all (have you?) have called and sent email to our Representatives but that isn’t going to stop this bill. We need to get the word out to the general population. We need to put not only pressure from the gun owners but also from the general public to tell our elected officials that we are watching and we DO know what they are doing, today the gun owners tomorrow it could be you! At the end of the day if the bill passes then Gov Patrick will use it to his advantage during this election, shouldn’t the members that oppose H.4102 try to show this is not a victory for him? Shouldn’t OUR Reps be out there screaming that this is not about gun rights but about limiting our freedoms?

Stepping off my soapbox, thanks for listening.

cb1 · Jun 24, 2010

The Governor had a lobby day yesterday at the State House on behalf of his bill. I've heard from a number of sources that less than a dozen people showed up. Apparently the public at large hasn't received the "if we don't pass this bill the streets will run red with the blood of children" memo.

Big_Red · Jun 24, 2010

sptrac440 said:
Looking for a little help here. Can someone explain to me why I don’t see or hear any Representative who is against H.4102 on TV, in the newspaper, on the radio explaining to the citizens of Ma why this is a bad bill and what it really will do?

I hope that this was a rethorical question. [thinking]

cekim · Jun 24, 2010

sptrac440 said:
Looking for a little help here. Can someone explain to me why I don’t see or hear any Representative who is against H.4102 on TV, in the newspaper, on the radio explaining to the citizens of Ma why this is a bad bill and what it really will do?

Because even those who understand what's wrong with it know its hard to even get into the press with this message and even if you do, you have to compete with sound bites from the Governor that people don't require any evidence to believe. The Governor's words feed into the mental illness that so many suffer in their denial of reality on this topic.

So, coming into election season, they aren't going to take the risk...

H4102 is DEAD Congratulations all and thank you.

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