Gun seized after man walked into Brockton hospital with it holstered

[Junior314]

I don’t control people’s opinions nor do I give a crap what they think. The point is many have the opinion, is it wrong, yep but as I said before this is Mass and it’s not on your side nor will it ever be.

So then you agree that trigger locks are proper storage and the guy in this article got jacked up by some storm trooper cops who make their own law?

 

[Varmint]

I know what the law says

To be exact, you didn’t know a few hours ago before people corrected you.

 

[HuntMaine]

To be exact, you didn’t know a few hours ago before people corrected you.

Actually I did , And had this guy left his firearm locked in his car and the firearms locked in a safe at home he would not be in this situation. You can rant, joke, etc all you want but that does not change the fact that hospital policy controls the ability for you to bring in a firearm and in Mass you are treated like a criminal as a gun owner.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Sometimes it’s best to proceed with caution, like not carrying into a hospital. The majority of medical facilities in mass are no firearms areas. Secondly in mass the law is they have to be in a locked container not just a trigger lock. While it sucks his wife made life hell for the guy, a brief review of Mass firearms ( even if they are dumb) laws would have saved him a lot of grief. So in this case he was his own worst enemy. My guess is the wife didn’t run over and tell the cops there was improperly stored firearms rather they asked if he had others, where they are located etc and she gave it up.

I suggest that you stop spewing "policies" and "Massprudence" as if it were MGL! When you say/imply it is illegal to store guns with a trigger lock or walk in a hospital armed you are intentionally mis-informing others. No such laws, regardless of policies or "interpretations". What people do to be prudent should be clearly stated as such.

I personally don't care how people store their guns, but prudence should never be represented as "law".

There is a difference between what is law and what tyrant cops are willing to use to jack up charges on you. I hope the cops you know aren’t friends.

Bottom line is if this guy had trigger locks on his firearms improper storage should not be an issue for him.

What’s your point? Because they can’t think for themselves and follow what the actual law is that’s excusable? And your ok with it?

Edit: Law isn’t opinion it is the law. LEO’s using their opinion instead of the law is part of the problem.

Yes, tyrants will still be tyrants and if they are looking to jack someone up, said tyrants will make shit up to fit their narrative. And yes, that is a major problem.

 

[HuntMaine]

I suggest that you stop spewing "policies" and "Massprudence" as if it were MGL! When you say/imply it is illegal to store guns with a trigger lock or walk in a hospital armed you are intentionally mis-informing others. No such laws, regardless of policies or "interpretations". What people do to be prudent should be clearly stated as such.

I personally don't care how people store their guns, but prudence should never be represented as "law".





Yes, tyrants will still be tyrants and if they are looking to jack someone up, said tyrants will make shit up to fit their narrative. And yes, that is a major problem.

Hospital Policy is not MGL. There’s no MGL that dictates if you can or cannot carry a firearm on its premises. However hospital policy does and that’s what you have to follow period. There is no MGL that says you get to not follow that policy and that is no misinformation.

As for storage, I’ll stand by original statement that if you store it that way you are more than likely to get into a bad situation. I don’t care either how people store their firearms.

 

[Junior314]

As for storage, I’ll stand by original statement that if you store it that way you are more than likely to get into a bad situation. I don’t care either how people store their firearms.

To be clear you said not only are you likely to find yourself in this situation but you are violating MGL in regards to storage.

All this guy did was violate the hospital policy on firearms and from all accounts when he was asked to leave he did. And because his wife couldnt’t keep quiet a bunch of cops who decided they were going to follow their own version of the law have made a law abiding citizen a criminal and more than likely stripped him of his 2A rights.

And for the record if you go on Brockton Hospital’s website their is no mention anywhere of no firearms allowed.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Actually I did , And had this guy left his firearm locked in his car and the firearms locked in a safe at home he would not be in this situation. You can rant, joke, etc all you want but that does not change the fact that hospital policy controls the ability for you to bring in a firearm and in Mass you are treated like a criminal as a gun owner.

Len S. sums it up nicely.

Suppose you are in the city (not near your car or any other place to store your gun) and have chest pain radiating into the neck and arms. Do you not go to the hospital because of "policy"?

I suspect what happened to this person was unusual. The typical policy would be to secure the gun with hospital security or police and return it to the in-duh-vidual after treatment. Just be sure to check for an LTC if anyone other than a police officer takes custody of the gun.

 

[HuntMaine]

Len S. sums it up nicely.

Suppose you are in the city and have chest pain radiating into the neck and arms. Do you not go to the hospital because of "policy"?

If you are carrying a firearm there’s nothing that says you can’t go to the hospital, you’d best be served to insure that the hospital security knows and they would likely hold it until such time you were discharged. It’s their policy so they control that, not MGL. That was my point and it’s still valid

 

[fencer]

So you’re wrong , and in fact most hospitals have a No Firearm policy. If you’re not sure what means , it means no firearms.

As for my storage WTF do you care? I’d rather not have my shit stolen so I take extra steps to insure they are not and if they are they will be useless. Maybe if I owned cheap firearms I wouldn’t care but I do. They have books on how to easily remove bolts, firing pins etc. just in case you get lost.

No. it means that if they notice you have a firearm, they can tell you to leave. If you refuse, you can be trespassed. Stop making shit up. Learn the law. That is not what the law says and in Massachusetts a sign is not legally binding.This has been covered a thousand times on NES and spreading false info does not help anyone. Policies and laws are different. Many malls have signs banning firearms, that does not make it law.

I don't own any cheap firearms, and my WWII Marine father taught us how to strip and replace gun parts before I was 12, and I got real good at it as an Infantry Marine myself, especially when bored to tears floating on a Navy ship where we would detail strip and reassemble everything for M60's to 1911's just to pass the time, so I don't need to consult books or the internet.
But here is a news flash for you, you don't let anyone in without a warrant. And if they show up with a warrant, you have way bigger problems than your storage habits. They won't give a frogs fat ass where your firing pins are stored. Your guns are leaving.
So, just in case some newbs are reading this and don't prescribe to your paranoia...

It is perfectly legal to store you firearm with just a trigger lock in your home. Long gun in a closet with a trigger guard? Legal. Pistol in a shoe box with a trigger guard? Legal. Hell, it is legal sitting on your coffee table. It is stupid, but not illegal

It is perfectly legal to store a loaded firearm in a safe, or a bedside/nightstand safe. A quick access safe with a loaded firearm is not only legal, it is smart.

It is perfectly legal to store a fire arm in a safe with the ammo and loaded magazines. You can keep your AR in the safe, with 10 loaded 30 round magazines on the shelf right next to it. And while it is not a good idea to store thousands of rounds in your safe, and I keep most ammo separate except for some loaded magazines, it's legal.

It is perfectly legal to store your firearm in a locked case in your vehicle without a trigger lock. It has to be unloaded and ammo has to be separate. The ammo does not have to be locked up. It can be in a paper bag on the backseat. Legal. Everyone that carries should have a lock box for their vehicle

Gun owners who interpret laws incorrectly, and then spread false info to fit their own foolish narrative don't help anybody but the gun grabbers. It is not illegal to carry a gun in a hospital. There are a few "teaching hospitals" like Tufts that have schools on the premises but even most of those keep the schools separate and hard to get into. Just because a hospital, restaurant, shopping mall or other establishment puts up a sign that says "No guns" doesn't make it a crime to carry a gun there in Massachusetts.
Schools, post office, courthouse ( and some will check your firearm) and Federal buildings. That's it. If you are going to own and carry, you really should take the time to learn the laws. Oh, and stay off the Boston common and check the laws for national/state parks.

But, you do you BooBoo. You want to pull your firing pins, go for it.

 

[HuntMaine]

To be clear you said not only are you likely to find yourself in this situation but you are violating MGL in regards to storage.

All this guy did was violate the hospital policy on firearms and from all accounts when he was asked to leave he did. And because his wife couldnt’t keep quiet a bunch of cops who decided they were going to follow their own version of the law have made a law abiding citizen a criminal and more than likely stripped him of his 2A rights.

And for the record if you go on Brockton Hospital’s website their is no mention anywhere of no firearms allowed.

And the situation sucks for him and that’s the truth.

No. it means that if they notice you have a firearm, they can tell you to leave. If you refuse, you can be trespassed. Stop making shit up. Learn the law. That is not what the law says and in Massachusetts a sign is not legally binding.This has been covered a thousand times on NES and spreading false info does not help anyone. Policies and laws are different. Many malls have signs banning firearms, that does not make it law.

I don't own any cheap firearms, and my WWII Marine father taught us how to strip and replace gun parts before I was 12, and I got real good at it as an Infantry Marine myself, especially when bored to tears floating on a Navy ship where we would detail strip and reassemble everything for M60's to 1911's just to pass the time, so I don't need to consult books or the internet.
But here is a news flash for you, you don't let anyone in without a warrant. And if they show up with a warrant, you have way bigger problems than your storage habits. They won't give a frogs fat ass where your firing pins are stored. Your guns are leaving.
So, just in case some newbs are reading this and don't prescribe to your paranoia...

It is perfectly legal to store you firearm with just a trigger lock in your home. Long gun in a closet with a trigger guard? Legal. Pistol in a shoe box with a trigger guard? Legal. Hell, it is legal sitting on your coffee table. It is stupid, but not illegal

It is perfectly legal to store a loaded firearm in a safe, or a bedside/nightstand safe. A quick access safe with a loaded firearm is not only legal, it is smart.

It is perfectly legal to store a fire arm in a safe with the ammo and loaded magazines. You can keep your AR in the safe, with 10 loaded 30 round magazines on the shelf right next to it. And while it is not a good idea to store thousands of rounds in your safe, and I keep most ammo separate except for some loaded magazines, it's legal.

It is perfectly legal to store your firearm in a locked case in your vehicle without a trigger lock. It has to be unloaded and ammo has to be separate. The ammo does not have to be locked up. It can be in a paper bag on the backseat. Legal. Everyone that carries should have a lock box for their vehicle

Gun owners who interpret laws incorrectly, and then spread false info to fit their own foolish narrative don't help anybody but the gun grabbers. It is not illegal to carry a gun in a hospital. There are a few "teaching hospitals" like Tufts that have schools on the premises but even most of those keep the schools separate and hard to get into. Just because a hospital, restaurant, shopping mall or other establishment puts up a sign that says "No guns" doesn't make it a crime to carry a gun there in Massachusetts.
Schools, post office, courthouse ( and some will check your firearm) and Federal buildings. That's it. If you are going to own and carry, you really should take the time to learn the laws. Oh, and stay off the Boston common and check the laws for national/state parks.

But, you do you BooBoo. You want to pull your firing pins, go for it.

Post was too long and many errors but thanks for playing

 

[fencer]

That’s silly, I just removed both my index fingers.

Now that is hilarious. But didn't Tom Berringer learn how to shoot with his middle finger after it was cut off in Sniper 3?

 

[fencer]

And the situation sucks for him and that’s the truth.


Post was too long and many errors but thanks for playing

If you find one error I will pay for your NES membership for a year.

Say it.... I. Was. Wrong. If I am mistaken or ill informed, I will admit it, but in this case, I am not.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

It is perfectly legal to store your firearm in a locked case in your vehicle without a trigger lock. It has to be unloaded and ammo has to be separate. The ammo does not have to be locked up. It can be in a paper bag on the backseat. Legal. Everyone that carries should have a lock box for their vehicle

Good post, but there is no legal requirement that the ammo be "separate" other than the gun has to be "unloaded". It is legal for the ammo to be in the lockbox next to the gun. I guess this counts as an "error", however, the overall post was excellent.

Schools, post office, courthouse ( and some will check your firearm) and Federal buildings. That's it.

You forgot the surface of the Atlantic ocean within 500 ft of Logan airport, and the airport itself (via CMR, not law). Inclusion of "that's it" after your list of banned places increments the technical error count by one.

There is no law against carrying in a state courthouse - this is an administrative policy that has the force of law because it was ordered by a judge (I think). Similarly, there are some govt buildings with checkpoints but not the force of law - just the force of force (Boston city hall; Boston PD; One Ashbuton Place; etc.)

Despite the highly technical errors, the post came a lot closer to the truth that many of the others on this thread.

 

[fencer]

Good post, but there is no legal requirement that the ammo be "separate" other than the gun has to be "unloaded".

You forgot the surface of the Atlantic ocean within 500 ft of Logan airport, and the airport itself (via CMR, not law).

Thank you Rob. I stand corrected. I knew I was forgetting the Logan thing, but it slipped by me.

Serious question, what about the other airports in the state? Say I was taking a charter form Norwood to the Vineyard?

 

[Len-2A Training]

If you are carrying a firearm there’s nothing that says you can’t go to the hospital, you’d best be served to insure that the hospital security knows and they would likely hold it until such time you were discharged. It’s their policy so they control that, not MGL. That was my point and it’s still valid

I carry in hospitals all the time unless I am undergoing a procedure and I am never going to tell any rent-a-guard (they aren't police, almost all aren't armed and most wouldn't have a LTC) . . . you can't hand your gun to anyone not licensed or you will rightfully get jammed up legally.

No. it means that if they notice you have a firearm, they can tell you to leave. If you refuse, you can be trespassed. Stop making shit up. Learn the law. That is not what the law says and in Massachusetts a sign is not legally binding.This has been covered a thousand times on NES and spreading false info does not help anyone. Policies and laws are different. Many malls have signs banning firearms, that does not make it law.
. . .

LOTS of good info here, thank you!!!! Rob corrected one point I was going to address. A few other points I'll make in response to Rob's reply below.

Good post, but there is no legal requirement that the ammo be "separate" other than the gun has to be "unloaded". It is legal for the ammo to be in the lockbox next to the gun. I guess this counts as an "error", however, the overall post was excellent.

You forgot the surface of the Atlantic ocean within 500 ft of Logan airport, and the airport itself (via CMR, not law). Inclusion of "that's it" after your list of banned places increments the technical error count by one.

There is no law against carrying in a state courthouse - this is an administrative policy that has the force of law because it was ordered by a judge (I think). Similarly, there are some govt buildings with checkpoints but not the force of law - just the force of force (Boston city hall; Boston PD; One Ashbuton Place; etc.)

Despite the highly technical errors, the post came a lot closer to the truth that many of the others on this thread.

Rob, a few points:

- CMR is "administrative law" . . . it's law with penalties just not as severe as MGL violations and most times unlikely to be prosecuted.
- There is a CMR that forbids POSSESSION on any casino property (nothing to do with Indian casinos and tribal law).
- The CMR on airports includes ALL airports under MassPort Authority (so the one in Worcester is included).

Thank you Rob. I stand corrected. I knew I was forgetting the Logan thing, but it slipped by me.

Serious question, what about the other airports in the state? Say I was taking a charter form Norwood to the Vineyard?

See above comment to Rob's post. I've rented cars as recent as last Fall from Norwood Airport. They have restricted access (card key) but no TSA type security that I've ever seen. Same for Mansfield Airport (where my Amateur Radio Club has their EMA setup), so I am unaware of any law or CMR banning firearms on said properties. That's not to say that it is legal, just that I'm unaware of anything that says otherwise.

 

[Jason Flare]

Tl;dr

So is Woodsy getting a free year or not?

 

[Palladin]

 

[Varmint]

Actually I did , And had this guy left his firearm locked in his car and the firearms locked in a safe at home he would not be in this situation. You can rant, joke, etc all you want but that does not change the fact that hospital policy controls the ability for you to bring in a firearm and in Mass you are treated like a criminal as a gun owner.

No it clearly states a Locked Container in the law

Actually you clearly did not know the law a few hours ago.

And if the BPD is making up gun law, I wouldn’t assume as a gun owner he’d be safe no matter what he did.

 

[Varmint]

Thank you Rob. I stand corrected. I knew I was forgetting the Logan thing, but it slipped by me.

Serious question, what about the other airports in the state? Say I was taking a charter form Norwood to the Vineyard?

Wait so if I have a ‘boating accident’ within 500 ft of Logan I’m guilty of unsafe storage?

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Wait so if I have a ‘boating accident’ within 500 ft of Logan I’m guilty of unsafe storage?

No unsafe storage, carrying a gun on the surface of the water within 500ft of Logan. Different charge. But, if you had a boating accident, the state would have to prove you had the guns while on the SURFACE of the water.

 

[VTJPM]

you can't carry in hospital right?

I've been in uniform, armed with an internal drug carrier at a hospital. Some, not all asked me to take my firearm out of the hospital. I replied with a simple no. That was it.

 

[amm5061]

No unsafe storage, carrying a gun on the surface of the water within 500ft of Logan. Different charge. But, if you had a boating accident, the state would have to prove you had the guns while on the SURFACE of the water.

So if I'm in a submarine, I'm fine, yes?

 

[MachineHead]

How you choose to stir your I could give a sh*t less. How I choose to store mine is my business. I like them separated and cleaned etc. maybe you like to toss yours in a pile, again really don’t care. As for my everyday carry it’s in my biometric safe and that’s ready to go when needed. The others, stored, cleaned and safe as they should be. You guys are funny though, so many cool gun experts , yah right

I don’t care how you store anything. Store them like a hamster, I don’t care. Everyone just thinks it’s funny how you store yours. Let it roll of your shoulders and carry on.

So if I'm in a submarine, I'm fine, yes?

As long as you don’t surface, although, you’d need a lawyer to advise you if not using your periscope in those 500ft is Massprudent.

 

[jasons]

Based on the cops that I know the same thing that happened to this guy will likely happen to anyone just storing them with a trigger lock. I always advocate mass stupidity protection by advising people put them in a gun safe, unloaded etc. Because I choose to be even more cautious most of mine have the firing pin removed and stored in another safe. Having firearms out with just a trigger lock on them provides the PoPo with an opportunity to not only take them but make the case you are irresponsible with your storage etc and the rescind or not renew you CC.

No different than the Open Carry laws in Mass, huge grey area but why poke the bear and spend 10s thousands on lawyers.

So you can go argue the semantics of. “OR” , I’d rather insure I keep my sh*t and not give some ahole a reason to remove it.

I melt mine down, it’s the only way to be really sure.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

The Massachusetts laws are already convoluted enough and F'd up enough without people deliberately posting incorrect information.

Bob

 

[HuntMaine]

I melt mine down, it’s the only way to be really sure.

I agree and plastic generally melts pretty quickly although they never squirt water the same again

 

[noxin]

Tl;dr

So is Woodsy getting a free year or not?

No. Due to the strict wording of the offer, Woodsy would have had to point out the error, which he did not. Because he has posted since it's become obvious he's as stupid as his buddy cops who should know the law better than the crap they're telling him.

 

[HuntMaine]

No. Due to the strict wording of the offer, Woodsy would have had to point out the error, which he did not. Because he has posted since it's become obvious he's as stupid as his buddy cops who should know the law better than the crap they're telling him.

Actually it’s you who might be mentally challenged since what I stayed about hospitals is fact. I never in any post said it was illegal to carry in the hospital what I said was the Hospital Policies dictate if you can. They also reserve the right to ask you to leave and if you don’t they could get you for trespassing.

Maybe you need a free year on NES but I’m fine and can handle the bill myself. The previous poster who said point out an error, The error was him stating I said it was illegal to carry in the hospital , not to make you feel stupid

If you find one error I will pay for your NES membership for a year.

Say it.... I. Was. Wrong. If I am mistaken or ill informed, I will admit it, but in this case, I am not.

I never once in any post said it was illegal to carry in the hospital nor that it was MGL. What I did say if you read it, was the Policy controls that. If they say no firearms and you come in , they can ask you to leave and if you don’t they could get your for trespassing. So yes that was an error but Keep the change

 

[HuntMaine]

No. Due to the strict wording of the offer, Woodsy would have had to point out the error, which he did not. Because he has posted since it's become obvious he's as stupid as his buddy cops who should know the law better than the crap they're telling him.

Actually it’s you who might be challenged since what I stated about hospitals is fact. I never in any post said it was illegal to carry in the hospital what I said was the Hospital Policies dictate if you can. They also reserve the right to ask you to leave and if you don’t they could get you for trespassing.

Maybe you need a free year on NES but I’m fine and can handle the bill myself. The previous poster who said point out an error, The error was him stating I said it was illegal to carry in the hospital , not to make you feel stupid or anything

 

[fencer]

No. Due to the strict wording of the offer, Woodsy would have had to point out the error, which he did not. Because he has posted since it's become obvious he's as stupid as his buddy cops who should know the law better than the crap they're telling him.

In fairness, nothing in this thread leads me to believe that Woodsy is even remotely stupid. Heaven knows, if every time I made a point that could be misinterpreted, I was stupid, I would be just about the dumbest son of a bitch on NES.
He has been posting here for a long time, and not only is he far more knowledgeable that I am about a bunch of subjects, he did not get to where he is in life by being a dumbass.
This friggin state with all it's bullshit laws. Hell, even I thought you had to have the ammo separate in a vehicle and Rob had to correct me. One thing is for sure. If someone breaks into Woodsy's house and plans on turning a stolen firearm on him, he is in for a big surprise. Crazy like a fox