Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass

Thats awesome news!

We must 'hold the line', if they succeed in any of these small pushes then we loose the option of civilized debate.
 
Thats awesome news!

We must 'hold the line', if they succeed in any of these small pushes then we loose the option of civilized debate.

-- that is the heart of it right there. They are smart enough to be sneaky now, so we must be smart enough to keep calling them out on it.
 
The web is throwing a real monkey wrench in the plans of the banners. Imagine if this had happened in 1990 - we would have had to wait until the next issue of the gun mags came out, but which time the ammo re-manufacturers would have had to reduce staff or go out of business. The near instant distribution of info and mobilization of opposition had definitely changed the dynamics of the game.
 
The web is throwing a real monkey wrench in the plans of the banners. Imagine if this had happened in 1990 - we would have had to wait until the next issue of the gun mags came out, but which time the ammo re-manufacturers would have had to reduce staff or go out of business. The near instant distribution of info and mobilization of opposition had definitely changed the dynamics of the game.

The Internet is a game changer. Forums like this are part of, as are blogs, on line magazines, and email.

The 2-3 month lag time of most print magazines used to give sneaky politicians a running start on things like this. Now, as soon as they pull a fast one the word goes out.
 
I've been reading the reports of this policy and the reaction it has drawn from the shooting community.
It does show that we have an administration in power that is actively engaged in efforts to subvert and suppress the Bill of Righst and permenently the Liberty that Americans have enjoyed for 233 years. It is also smart enough to know that it must conceal its' true agenda until it has tipped the scales in their favor.
While they were caught in this instance, there will be countless more small, incremental steps as they push and push. The future ban on import of ammo and guns may well ne next as well as economic measure to make shooting too expensive for all but the most wealthy to enjoy.
You want to disarm the poor?
Let's legislate against cheap "Saturday Night Specials" and strip people of their right to own a weapon if they want to live in Public Housing.
Look how easy that was done.
This is not because of Barack Obama, he is just the popular face who happened along at the right moment in history. The forces behind this have been in place waiting for this opportunity for decades.
Obama did not create George Soros & MoveOn or ACORN or the extreme Left academic culture on America's college campuses. He is the perfect product of them.
The observation that we are the minority is correct but we were always the minority.
We were the minority in 1775 when one third of the Colonists wanted Liberty, one third stayed loyal to the Crown and the rest just wanted the trouble to go away.
But back they the minority saw the need to act and had the will to do so.
I AM NOT saying that we are at that point but I do say that intelligent people can reasonably discuss at what point it does become neccessary to stand for the Freedom God granted us and face an oppressive ruler. The internet is NOT the place for discussion such as Adams, Franklin and Henry carried on.
But it might soon be time for a 21st century version of "The Sons of Liberty".
The forces who want to remake America into something totally incompatible with the Founders vision are not going to be shy about their efforts.
 
"nother story:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=92095

Feds undercut
ammo supply
But Defense policy reversed after
intervention by 2 Montana senators
Posted: March 17, 2009
9:00 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
WorldNetDaily


Fired brass shell casings

Responding to two Democratic senators representing outraged private gun owners, the Department of Defense announced last night it has scrapped a new policy that would deplete the supply of ammunition by requiring destruction of fired military cartridge brass.

The policy already had taken a bite out of the nation's stressed ammunition supply, leaving arms dealers scrambling to find ammo for private gun owners.

Mark Cunningham, a legislative affairs representative with the Defense Logistics Agency, explained in an e-mail last night to the office of Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., that the Department of Defense had placed small arms cartridge cases on its list of sensitive munitions items as part of an overall effort to ensure national security is not jeopardized in the sale of any Defense property.

The small arms cases were identified as a senstive item and were held pending review of policy, he said.

"Upon review, the Defense Logistics Agency has determined the cartridge cases could be appropriately placed in a category of government property allowing for their release for sale," Cunningham wrote.

The Defense Department liaison was responding to a letter yesterday to the Defense Logistic Agency's Vice Admiral Alan S. Thompson from Tester and fellow Montana Democrat Sen. Max Baucus. The senators argued "prohibiting the sale of fired military brass would reduce the supply of ammunition – preventing individual gun owners from fully exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. We urge you to address this situation promptly."

Learn here why it's your right -- and duty -- to be armed.

One of the companies that brought attention to the issue is Georgia Arms, which for the last 15 years has been purchasing fired brass casings from the Department of Defense and private government surplus liquidators. The military collects the discarded casings from fired rounds, then sells them through liquidators to companies like Georgia Arms that remanufacture the casings into ammunition for the law enforcement and civilian gun owner communities.

But earlier this month, Georgia Arms received a canceled order, informed by its supplier that the government now requires fired brass casings be mutilated, in other words, destroyed to a scrap metal state.

The policy change, handed down from the Department of Defense through the Defense Logistics Agency, cut a supply leg out from underneath ammunition manufacturers.

The policy compelled Georgia Arms to cancel all sales of .223 and .308 ammunition, rounds used, respectively, in semi-automatic and deer hunting rifles, until further notice. Sharch Manufacturing, Inc. had announced the same cancellation of its .223 and .308 brass reloading components.

"They just reclassified brass to allow destruction of it, based on what?" Georgia Arms owner Larry Haynie asked WND. "We've been 'going green' for the last dozen years, and brass is one of the most recyclable materials out there. A cartridge case can be used over and over again. And now we're going to destroy it based on what? We don't want the civilian public to have it? It's a government injustice."

(Story continues below)

As WND reported, firearm sales have spiked since the election of a perceived anti-gun president, and Americans stockpiling bullets have produced a stressed ammunition market.

The Orlando Sentinel reports months of steady, heavy buying have left gun dealers in Florida facing shortages of ammunition.

"The survivalist in all of us comes out," John Ritz, manager of a Florida shooting range, told the Sentinel. "It's more about protecting what you have."

"People are just stockpiling," said a spokeswoman for Georgia Arms, which has seen bullet sales jump 100 percent since the election. "A gun is just like a car. If you can't get gas, you can't use it."

WND contacted the Defense Logistics Agency, the Department of Defense's largest combat support agency, several times seeking comment or explanation for the policy change but received none.

The National Rifle Association confirmed to WND that the DLA had been instructed to require the scrapping of the brass casings but declined further comment.

Other gun advocates, however, sounded off on the issue, eyeing the change in government policy with suspicion and filling the blogosphere with speculation that the effects of the policy change may be deliberate.

"It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns – they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit 'assault' weapon sales," writes firearm instructor and author Gordon Hutchinson on his The Shootist blog. "Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless."

A writer named Owen at the Boots & Sabers blog suspected the policy change was an effort by an anti-gun administration to raise the cost of ammunition.

"This policy didn't come out of the blue," wrote Owen. "The Commander in Chief is clearly sending a message to gun owners that they should be paying more for ammunition. If he can't do it through regulatory action, he'll do it by forcing ammunition manufacturers to spend more on production."

Hutchinson reports Georgia Arms was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, but without the ability to purchase expended military ammunition, the company might have been forced to lay off up to half its workforce.
 
Public Outcry Leads Defense Department to Reverse Spent Ammo Directive

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47112

Public Outcry Leads Defense Department to Reverse Spent Ammo Directive
Friday, April 24, 2009
By Ryan Byrnes

(CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Department of Defense has reversed a directive that would have prohibited U.S. ammunition retailers from purchasing used brass shell casings from the government -- and at least one ammo maker credits public outcry for the change of heart.

“It just restores my faith that the system works,” Curtis Shipley, owner of Georgia Arms, told CNSNews.com. “If enough people are motivated and say ‘Hey, that is wrong,’ the system does still work.”

Shipley said thousands of calls, letters and e-mails went to the DOD and to lawmakers to protest the now-rescinded order, which would have made the brass available only as useless scrap metal to be sold to China and other countries.

Shipley said his company, one of the country’s top retailers of .223-calibre ammunition, normally buys 30,000 pounds of spent brass at a time from the Defense Department. Georgia Arms then turns the brass into ammo and resells it to law enforcement agencies, gun shops and other retail outlets.

But Shipley’s company was jeopardized when he received a letter March 12 from the Defense Department telling him that it would no longer be selling the spent shell casings and would instead only be selling scrap metal, which is virtually useless to ammunition sellers.

The letter to Shipley and other ammo makers explained that DOD would begin to destroy and shred the brass, diminishing it to scrap metal and rendering it useless to ammunition makers.

“Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings,” the letter said. “The new DRMS (Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service) requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property.

The directive would have reclassified spent shell casings as sensitive material – material that is mutilated before being distributed to prevent reverse engineering.

“Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent that prevents its reuse or reconstruction,” the letter continued. “DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.”

The mutilated material would have been sold to other countries such as China at a cost lower than what the DOD paid for it to be shredded.

Shipley said the reclassification was a surprising move on the government’s part.

“The distressing part of it was that the government was going to lose money,” Shipley said. “They were going to lose $2 a pound and accomplish nothing.”

Spent shell casings usually sell for between $2.30 and $2.50 per pound, allowing the government to recoup a good amount of their ammunition expense budget. However, once the brass is mutilated, it has no added value and a product that was worth about $2.50 becomes worth only about 50 cents, Shipley said.

“We felt like it was just an option to bring in ammunition control rather than gun control,” Shipley told CNSNews.com.

The directive was reversed March 17.

“The primary focus of the Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service (DRMS) mission is to protect national security by ensuring property is properly identified for reutilization and disposition and not released for public sale when to do so would jeopardize national security,” the Defense Logistics Agency said in a statement issued March 20.

“Upon review, the Defense Logistics Agency has determined the cartridge cases could be appropriately placed in a category of government property allowing for their release for sale.”

The ammunitions directive would have caused Shipley to lay off nearly half of Georgia Arms’ 60 workers, Shipley said.

The Defense Department did not provide comment for this story before publication.
 
Unfortunately the ammo shortage won't be eased until the media anointed savior of humanity (AKA, Obama) has left office and replaced by a far more 2A friendly President.

Either that, or the manufacturers start increasing production, though I find them doing that to any great extent unlikely since they can get a greater profit in our present situation and they don't want to cause a glut of ammo on the market making the bubble burst and making ammo cost plummet, hence killing their profit.

So for now, we're going to have to suck it up.
 
It won't. You can bet on that.

No kidding.

There's a "perfect storm" of factors coming together driving the guns and ammo buying panic.

The good thing about it is it's reminding politicians how their constituents feel about their rights.
 
What Really Happened

Here are the facts about what happened.

March 12: Georgia Arms, a major supplier of reloaded military small-arms cartridges located in Villa Rica, Ga., is notified that it can no longer obtain empty brass casings from the military because of a new policy. All small-arms casings must be mutilated before sale, preventing their reuse in reloaded cartridges.

March 15: Small-arms columnist Gordon Hutchinson raises an alarm in his blog "The Shootist." The item is headlined "DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers. " He speculates that "the new administration" is making "an end-run around Congress" by trying to choke off ammunition supplies. "All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless." He urges readers to contact their House and Senate representatives.

March 17: Sens. Max Baucus and Jon Tester, both Montana Democrats, write a letter to the Defense Logistics Agency (the procurement arm of the Pentagon) asking that the new policy against brass sales be reversed. They say "the destruction of fired brass is unwarranted" and a burden on gun owners and small businesses that sell reloaded cartridges. "[R]eloading brass is [a] part of our outdoor heritage," they write.

March 17, 4:30 p.m.: Georgia Arms is notified that the policy has been reversed and their supply of spent cartridge casings has been restored. The company later posts an announcement to customers on its Web site:

Due to the diligent and overwhelming effort of many thousands of you, calling, writing, and emailing our elected officials, DOD Surplus, LLC, has rescinded its prior directive that ALL small arms spent casings be mutilated rather than recycled. … (Below is a copy of the email we received from DOD on 3/17/09 @ 4:30pm)

March 18: The National Rifle Association’s chief lobbyist, Chris Cox, posts a statement saying that the policy had been reversed and adding: "[W]e were assured from the beginning that efforts were underway to resolve the issue favorably." He said that no empty cartridges had actually been destroyed during the brief time that the policy had been in effect.

Meanwhile, a Defense Logistics Agency official writes a letter to Sen. Baucus, and another to Sen. Tester, stating that the policy had been reversed.

March 19: The conservative Web site Newsmax reports the reversal.
 
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