Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass

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Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass

This doesn't sound good...

March 13, 2009

From:

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Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Important Notice to Scrap Metal Buyers!

http://www.govliquidation.com

Dear Valued Customer:

Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:

Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA’s current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.

Thank you,

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254

Below is a copy of a letter sent to Senator Max Baucus, Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, from Gary Marbut, President of the Montana Shooting Sports Association.

Max,

Greetings from Missoula.

You called me on October 24th, 2008, to ask me to let you know if there is ever anything MSSA needs you to do for us and for Montana gun owners.

Thank you. This is exactly such a case.

In the email below from the Defense Logistics Agency you will see that DLA has effectively ordered the immediate non-sale and destruction of all once-fired military brass.

Max, this is a HUGE problem.

Why is this a problem? The RKBA is only as good as the ammunition supply for the firearms we own. The shelves of the Nation’s sporting goods stores are essentially bare of ammunition. The entire ammunition market in the U.S. is highly stressed.

For example, I have six classes scheduled for April to teach Montana citizens gun safety and self defense with firearms. Students must bring 100 rounds of ammunition to these classes. I thought to check this week about availability of ammunition for my students for these April classes - the most common ammunition in .38 special and 9mm. Of four primary sporting goods stores in Missoula, three had NONE - at all! One store has a limited supply that it doesn’t expect to last long.

Against this background of ammunition shortage, about the only ammunition that continues to be somewhat available is that from second tier manufacturers who are remanufacturing ammunition from once-fired military cartridge brass. As of yesterday, that supply came to an end because of the DLA administrative decision to destroy (”demil”) all fired military brass.

Max, I have a lot more information about the national ammunition shortage, too much to put in one email. It is both a supply and demand problem. Without that lengthy detail, take my word for it that U.S. gun owners are very at-risk for their effective RKBA because of existing ammunition shortages. This administrative decision by DLA places a log on the back of a camel already sagging in the middle.

We sincerely hope that you can do something to turn DLA around, and reauthorize the flow of once-fired, undestroyed military brass from the military to civilians and civilian entities.

One final thought. The military can sell reloadable brass for $2.00 per pound. Brass that has been destroyed for reloading purposes and value sells for about 35 cents per pound. So the DLA is expecting taxpayers to pay DoD extra to make reloadable brass unavailable to civilian gun owners.

Please keep us informed about what can be done and is being done to fix this serious problem.

Sincerely yours,

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com
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Marcus in the Darkus said:
You know, as much as I'd like to think it's just some ass-covering bureaucratic BS, I think I agree with you. I wonder how much effort it would take to prepare FOIA requests to figure out where this directive originated.
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I guarantee you that any FOIA request comes back rejected due to national security. For all their carping about Bush's abuses of that, they will use it too.
 
You know, I'm capable of a lot of "giving benefit of the doubt."

But I can't find anything in this that I can find any possible scrap of reasonable explanation for. This is pathetic and underhanded, and even fiscally irresponsible.

I'm not surprised though that it's JPFO that appears to have broken this news. I got the same thing in an email from them just before this posted. In a couple of weeks the NRA might possibly send something out about it.
 
I have purchased from Gov't Liquidations,com before...I received the same email from them, and they stated that the email would act as the "official communications" of the notice.
 
Sounds anti-environment.

Anybody wonder if there are other reasons ammo is getting scarce and expensive? Where is it manufactured? Are the plants still up and running? Anyone?
 
As much as I like my tinfoil hat, I am not sure that the gov't is this canny...This smells of some bureaucratic BS, rather than some multi-faceted anti-2A plan hatched by Rahm Emmanuel. What was the "usual" route for this spent brass? Back into manufacturers?

Other than Lake City, ammo is made by commercial venture, so the supply is finite. The gov't needs it too...
 
So this means no more access to spent brass for companies that do reloads?

There goes the price of ammo up thru the roof again.

Looks like I should finally buy that huge pile of .223 brass and 7.62x51 brass I have been procrastinating for so long. There are a few places online that sell once-fired military brass.
 
Don't do it! if you read further down you'll see what I missed the 1st time...
Bidding Restrictions Apply EUC Certificate Required:
All winning bids in this sale require an End-Use-Certificate (EUC).
No lots will be sold to any prohibited entity.
You will need Adobe Acrobat to view this form.
 
I did some work a Picatinny Arsenal in NJ a few years ago. Their spent brass is burned in a small incinerator to make sure there is no charge/powder left. Then it is sent to be destroyed. It's been this way for years. There is too much risk for them to reload or sell the brass off to be reloaded.
 
This is bad, if this is happening, there is no reason to confiscate our guns. Just dry up the ammo supply and your gun is useless. You can only reload brass a limited number of times. Eventually the supply will dry up and viola, defacto firearms ban. Jeez, these guys are scum.
 
I watched an episode of "How its made" on this one they were making keys, regular everyday house keys. The brass keys for the whole country they said were produced at a couple of factories and ALL OF IT from goverment used brass.
 
isnt this only requireing the brass to be mutilated before being sold, not destroyed never to be used again? as in the brass could be melted and reformed into casings for new production ammo?

im just not clear on what theyre actually requireing
 
Lucas McCain said:
This is bad, if this is happening, there is no reason to confiscate our guns. Just dry up the ammo supply and your gun is useless. You can only reload brass a limited number of times. Eventually the supply will dry up and viola, defacto firearms ban. Jeez, these guys are scum.
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That's exactly why folks are buying/hoarding ammo. [grin]
 
Ray-500 said:
That's exactly why folks are buying/hoarding ammo. [grin]
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Believe me, I have spent thousands on ammo in the last few months. The problem is the end is near. Even if you hoard tens of thousands of rounds, eventually you are done. Now I have to come up with a strategy of saving some never to be fired except in anger and some that I use at the range and reload. Anyone know how to forge brass? What do they do, cast it or do you need some sort of huge machinery to fabricate a cartridge case from scratch? Same goes for primers, cant make them at home either. Looks like one way or another we are all going back to the stone age.

Its actually quite a clever way to get around the second ammendment, let us keep and bear our arms however useless they are without ammo.
 
Keep in mind they (Government) have done things in the recent past (effectively repealed posse comitatus act) and are preparing for a nationwide revolt, This is also a way of knowing that their own Ammunition components will not be used against them when that time comes.

I know what your thinking Sam put away the TFH, IMO this is not tinfoil this is the corrupt US Government preparing their own defence against their own citizens.
 
Lucas McCain said:
Believe me, I have spent thousands on ammo in the last few months. The problem is the end is near. Even if you hoard tens of thousands of rounds, eventually you are done. Now I have to come up with a strategy of saving some never to be fired except in anger and some that I use at the range and reload. Anyone know how to forge brass? What do they do, cast it or do you need some sort of huge machinery to fabricate a cartridge case from scratch? Same goes for primers, cant make them at home either. Looks like one way or another we are all going back to the stone age.

Its actually quite a clever way to get around the second ammendment, let us keep and bear our arms however useless they are without ammo.
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I don't believe "you are done". Ultimately, folks.....everyday common folks...will revolt against a govt. that wants to impose a Socialist/Marxist/Fascist scenario on the country as a whole. Yes, there are people who will buy into it....hook, line and sinker....especially those looking to be "taken care of"....by "Big Daddy Govt".

Yes, I do understand the differences between Socialism, Marxism and Fascism. I do not use the terms lightly.
 

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