dwarven1
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Here's a study from Texas. http://www.txchia.org/sturdevant2000.htm
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GOAL response re: Fitchburg PD
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As I've said (mostly in jest), taking the correlative thinking of the liberals, we should arrest all non-LTC holders immediately as their likelihood of committing a crime is through the roof comparatively...
![[thinking]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/010.gif "Thinking [thinking]")
We have to stop crime before it happens and make illegal any activity, no matter how otherwise mundane that could lead to a crime... [sad2]
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That is EXACTLY the type of info I was looking for and pretty much the results I expected. Thank you.
I'll read that more closely tonight, but looking at the charts and reading the main points it seems pretty clear that those that jump through the hoops to exercise these rights, sports and interests tend to stay on the right side of the law.
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Here are a few from my files:
In 1987, Florida stunned the country when it made gun ownership fairly unrestricted and began issuing hundreds of thousands of concealed handgun permits. Since then, homicides are down over 40%, far lower than the national average of 21%. And, in contrary to fearful predictions of death in the streets, only 0.23% of licenses have been revoked for any violation. Only 8% of revoked licenses were because of a firearm violation, or 0.02% of the total. The 'average' prison rate in the United States is about 1%.
- Florida Department of State - Division of Licensing. Concealed Weapons/Firearms report October 1, 1987 - February 28,1999.
Books presenting facts that "Shall Issue" states saw a reduction in crime.
Prof. John R. Lott, Jr, More Guns, Less Crime : Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws, (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1997) Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, (N.Y.: Aldine de Gruyter, 1997)
Books that show data to support the fact that gun ownership deters criminals:
Rengert G. and Wasilchick J., Suburban Burglary: A Time and a Place for Everything, 1985, Springfield, IL. Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control
Court Cases that ruled that police don’t have a legal requirement to protect you:
Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981) Riss v. City of New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579, 293 NYS2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 860 (N.Y. Ct. of Ap. 1958); Keane v. City of Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1968); Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1983); Calogrides v. City of Mobile, 475 So.2d 560 (S.Ct. A;a. 1985); Morris v. Musser, 478 A.2d 937 (1984); Davidson v. City of Westminster, 32 C.3d 197, 185 Cal.Rptr. 252, 649 P.2d 894 (S.Ct. Cal. 1982); Chapman v. City of Philadelphia, 434 A.2d 753 (Sup.Ct. Penn. 1981); Weutrich v. Delia, 155 N.J. Super 324, 326, 382 A.2d 929, 930 (1978); Sapp v. City of Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla.Ct. of Ap. 1977); Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E. 2d 871 (Ind.Ct. of Ap.); Silver v. City of Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (S.Ct. Minn. 1969) and Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 61 (7th Cir. 1982).
Tracing the roots of gun control to the Jim Crow era and racial bias:
Charles Oliver, A New Way to Control Crime? 'Saturday Night Specials' Bans Haven't Worked, Investor's Business Daily -- National Issue, Feb.6, 1996. Markus Funk, Are Gun Control Laws Discriminatory?, 3 Might Magazine 59-60 (1994)
Only 12-17% of those people that resisted with a gun was injured in the encounter. The rate of injury for those that complied with the attacker was around 25% and the injury rate for defenders that didn’t use a gun was close to 50%.
- Jeffrey A. Roth, National Institute of Justice, Firearms and Violence.
A study of government sponsored disarmament of civilians prior to mass genocide.
Lethal Laws. By Jay Simkin, Aaron Zelman, & Alan M. Rice. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Originally published in the New York Law School Journal of International and Comparative Law, 1995, Vol. 15
If guns truly are evil, explain the town of Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. By law, you MUST have a gun in your house. Since the law was passed in 1982, there have been no reports of domestic violence, no children injured by a gun, not one murder since 1986, and burglary is only 25% of what it was in 1982 even though the population of the town has doubled.
"Community View" Rockland Journal-News (Rockland County, NY), Sunday, March 1, 1998 Gary Kleck, "Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force," Social Problems 35 (February 1988) Gary Kleck and D. Bordua, New York Times, April 11, 1987 "Town Celebrates Mandatory Arms [Policy]."
: “If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of criminal acts reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying -- That they must sweep under the rug the southern attempts at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern attempts in the 1920-1939 period, the attempts at both Federal and State levels in 1965-1976 -- establishes the repeated, complete and inevitable failure of gun laws to control serious crime. “
Orrin Hatch in a report about gun control and the history of the second amendment from the SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION to the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY in 1982.
In 1987, Florida stunned the country when it made gun ownership fairly unrestricted and began issuing hundreds of thousands of concealed handgun permits. Since then, homicides are down over 40%, far lower than the national average of 21%. And, in contrary to fearful predictions of death in the streets, only 0.23% of licenses have been revoked for any violation. Only 8% of revoked licenses were because of a firearm violation, or 0.02% of the total. The 'average' prison rate in the United States is about 1%.
- Florida Department of State - Division of Licensing. Concealed Weapons/Firearms report October 1, 1987 - February 28,1999.
Books presenting facts that "Shall Issue" states saw a reduction in crime.
Prof. John R. Lott, Jr, More Guns, Less Crime : Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws, (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1997) Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, (N.Y.: Aldine de Gruyter, 1997)
Books that show data to support the fact that gun ownership deters criminals:
Rengert G. and Wasilchick J., Suburban Burglary: A Time and a Place for Everything, 1985, Springfield, IL. Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control
Court Cases that ruled that police don’t have a legal requirement to protect you:
Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981) Riss v. City of New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579, 293 NYS2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 860 (N.Y. Ct. of Ap. 1958); Keane v. City of Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1968); Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1983); Calogrides v. City of Mobile, 475 So.2d 560 (S.Ct. A;a. 1985); Morris v. Musser, 478 A.2d 937 (1984); Davidson v. City of Westminster, 32 C.3d 197, 185 Cal.Rptr. 252, 649 P.2d 894 (S.Ct. Cal. 1982); Chapman v. City of Philadelphia, 434 A.2d 753 (Sup.Ct. Penn. 1981); Weutrich v. Delia, 155 N.J. Super 324, 326, 382 A.2d 929, 930 (1978); Sapp v. City of Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla.Ct. of Ap. 1977); Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E. 2d 871 (Ind.Ct. of Ap.); Silver v. City of Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (S.Ct. Minn. 1969) and Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 61 (7th Cir. 1982).
Tracing the roots of gun control to the Jim Crow era and racial bias:
Charles Oliver, A New Way to Control Crime? 'Saturday Night Specials' Bans Haven't Worked, Investor's Business Daily -- National Issue, Feb.6, 1996. Markus Funk, Are Gun Control Laws Discriminatory?, 3 Might Magazine 59-60 (1994)
Only 12-17% of those people that resisted with a gun was injured in the encounter. The rate of injury for those that complied with the attacker was around 25% and the injury rate for defenders that didn’t use a gun was close to 50%.
- Jeffrey A. Roth, National Institute of Justice, Firearms and Violence.
A study of government sponsored disarmament of civilians prior to mass genocide.
Lethal Laws. By Jay Simkin, Aaron Zelman, & Alan M. Rice. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Originally published in the New York Law School Journal of International and Comparative Law, 1995, Vol. 15
If guns truly are evil, explain the town of Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. By law, you MUST have a gun in your house. Since the law was passed in 1982, there have been no reports of domestic violence, no children injured by a gun, not one murder since 1986, and burglary is only 25% of what it was in 1982 even though the population of the town has doubled.
"Community View" Rockland Journal-News (Rockland County, NY), Sunday, March 1, 1998 Gary Kleck, "Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force," Social Problems 35 (February 1988) Gary Kleck and D. Bordua, New York Times, April 11, 1987 "Town Celebrates Mandatory Arms [Policy]."
: “If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of criminal acts reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying -- That they must sweep under the rug the southern attempts at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern attempts in the 1920-1939 period, the attempts at both Federal and State levels in 1965-1976 -- establishes the repeated, complete and inevitable failure of gun laws to control serious crime. “
Orrin Hatch in a report about gun control and the history of the second amendment from the SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION to the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY in 1982.
