90K from GOAL. Then there are the paid ads and the gun club payments.
The clubs pay a shitload too. Shirley is a very small club and it's our second biggest expense. Also, I assume the ads aren't free.
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90K from GOAL. Then there are the paid ads and the gun club payments.
The clubs pay a shitload too. Shirley is a very small club and it's our second biggest expense. Also, I assume the ads aren't free.
While I do agree with that, would you rather have your monthly newsletter printed by a liberal media mogul who is anti-gun?
I thought the same thing. But GOAL wouldn't have to produce a whole paper. They get, like, what... two pages in it? How much would that cost?
Also, they'd be able to give people the ability to opt out and just get the email newsletter (I would) which would save even more money.
I bet eventually, it would all be electronic.
(pssssst..... don't repeat this, but I heard from a guy who knows a guy who knows Derek, that Derek IS getting rich on NES. Shhhhhh, don't tell anyone I told you so. Derek gets pissed when people find out about all the money... it's a real racket!!!!)
One group I belong to recently went to .PDF format and emails the newsletter. They may still print and mail for the members who prefer it, but I believe that number was under 5%.
The .PDF makes for a much nicer format, better layout and pictures, and saves a ton. Toss in advertising and GOAL likely could hire a part-time person to head the project and still make money.
One thing, someone mentioned about needing people to produce it. I'm ASSUMING the copy is written in-house anyway by GOAL employees/volunteers so those expenses are already being paid by GOAL.
For the record, Yacino did NOT cave in or cooperate on the 1998 law. He fought it. I was there. The crooked RINO governor Cellucci was for it, Billy Bulger was for it, all the police organizations pushed for it, and the gun owners lost. Simple as that.
This thread is amazing. Guys that drop thousands on guns and every other toy are pissing and moaning about $8, and the people who work FOR THEM. Nobody's clearing $90K on the Message, any more than Derek's getting rich on NES.
See you cannot even get your story straight. WELD signed it Cellucci was not yet the governor. So how much more can you distort?
That kind of thing should show up in the annual report to members, but I can't find one that has financial information any later than 2008.
Well, NES is on a dedicated server. So Derek has to pay rent for the server every month. Plus bandwidth. I'm willing to bet that the figures involved are a lot more than you think. My company pays our datacenter ~$1200 per month for the 16 Mb of dedicated bandwidth that we require at any given time. That's using our servers, by the way, and hosting space and power consumption is not included in that cost. Now, I don't know how many Mb of bandwidth NES requires at peak time, or what the cost to rent the server is, but I'm sure it's substantial, especially if there is an SLA involved. Derek even had to ramp up the ads a bit when we migrated just to offset the cost.
Len that is wrong Goal Foundation was the old Massachusetts Rifle and Pistol Assoc. That merged with GOAL and then was closed out. OM was never a GOAL subsidiary, That belonged to Yacino the whole time. As far as GOAL and Victor ANOP being at opposite ends, Victor was the Original Executive Director. GOAL Was supposed to go out of existance after the 1976 election.
Mickey Yacino will tell his own story, but he nothing but a BS artist.
I've been a GOAL member for many years - I always knew that TOM wasn't owned by GOAL. Speaking for myself, I read The Outdoor Message every month. I like that I can see what other clubs are doing, and when, for example, various shoots are held. Strangely enough, that info isn't always on NES. (I tend to like looking for pin shoots, for example - or seeing what Independent in Foxboro has for it's shoots that are open to the public every couple of weeks)What's the deal here? So some weeks ago there was a thread about the Outdoor Message not being owned by GOAL – which shocked the hell out of me.
My last post on this. IMO the OM has outlived it's usefulness to GOAL. It is merely a drain on funds that could be used elsewhere. Hell, give some of the office help a raise in pay but stop drivling it away. Amen.
Having been a member of a 100% GOAL club that used TOM for their meeting notices/minutes . . . said club later dropped the 100% GOAL requirement, etc. And I'm currently a member of another club that is NOT 100% GOAL and uses TOM for their meeting notices/minutes, I KNOW how the charges to the clubs work. If the club is 100% GOAL, there is NO CHARGE to publish in TOM!!! If the club is NOT 100% GOAL, then the club must submit a membership list with addresses to cross check GOAL members from non-GOAL members . . . only a single copy is sent to each club member (no charge to club for GOAL members, ~$8/year for each person NOT a GOAL member). TOM gets paid ads, but does NOT charge clubs/instructors for listings (events/classes) in the back of each TOM.
TOM was created back around the founding of GOAL and it was the ONLY way to get the word out on what's happening. Technology has changed and I do believe that an e-copy alternative should be offered to those that want it and that is a good question for the GOAL BOD to deal with.
Here's the rub as I see it. GOAL is a nonprofit run by a board of directors spending what appears to be a very large percentage of the organization's resources on the Outdoor Message. Yacino was a member of the BOD for many, many years and he and family members appear to have a significant financial interest in producing the Outdoor Message.
The BOD is responsible for adherence to legal standards and ethical norms. Board members have a legal responsibility to assure the prudent management of an organization's resources.
Yacino and family are on the one hand profiting from the Outdoor Message, and on the other hand he is on the board of the organization that appears to provide most of his revenue. This is a HUGE conflict of interest.
Agree or disagree about the value of the Outdoor Message. Agree or disagree about whether GOAL's BOD should fund this resource or not.
My problem is with a board member and his family profiting from these choices and decisions. That, IMHO, is damn wrong.
Best,
Rich
155 posts and not a single word from GOAL.
Hi Len,
Thanks for the corrections. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if all the info you offer is correct, or not, however. I did do some research to see what I could find out.
I do understand there's a number of organizations that make up GOAL, including GOAL, Inc. and the GOAL Foundation. I guess I knew that, but I was able to find separate financial filings made to the IRS for both of them. That was helpful.
You mention that GOAL is not a nonprofit. I came to the conclusion that is was a nonprofit by surfing the web and finding an IRS Form 990 filed by Gun Owners Action League Inc, and listing "MICHAEL YACINO CEO" as the signing officer of this form.
This IRS form also says the following:
"State the name, physical address, and telephone number ofthe person who possesses the books and records of the organization:
Michael Yacino 37 Pierce Road Northboro,MA 01532 (508) 393-5333"
So maybe everything I said is not correct, but perhaps you can see why I am confused by all this. It would appear that Yacino is in a position of significant authority and responsibility with regards to the Gun Owners Action League, Inc. Does this make sense?
Also, thank you for mentioning that Yacino is listed as "of counsel to the board of directors". Do you know if this is a volunteer position, or is it a paid position? I ask because the IRS form 990 shows an expense of $12,000 for consultants, and I wondered if there was any connection.
Finally, GOAL obviously pays rent for the office space they use. That's only fair. A while back I was chatting with someone at the range who said Yacino owns the building GOAL is in. Is this yet another source of income for Yacino from the GOAL organizations?
Len, here's the thing. Before tonight I had not given all this much thought. I pay my dues and appreciate what GOAL does. I followed some of the bread crumbs floating in this thread and learned some things that are of concern.
If the guy who is listed on these IRS forms as CEO of nonprofits also benefits financially from these organizations, at a minimum these relationships need to be explored and made public to the members who support the organization. That is only fair...
Len, I'd happily address any and all concerns you have with accuracy. Personally I'd just like to know the truth about it all.
Is that something we can agree on... the truth?
Best,
Rich