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Evaluating new automatics for carry
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cfbackrow
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this is great advice...I went to Mass firearms the other day and tried out 6 guns...and immediately crossed some off my wish list and added ones that I thought I would hate...nothing beats shooting the gun...
one of the finest "pre-cocked" DAO's I've shot is the S&W 5943 or other variants of the S&W 3rd gen DAO system. those triggers are great. pull is right in between an SA and a DA pull with a short reset. it's fantastic. if it weren't an alloy frame I would shoot it more often.
i'm convinced if Sig had designed the P250 to pre-cock even like 30% it would have made all the difference in the world. oh well.
for a safe queen, i don't want a steel slide wearing down an old alloy frame. i agree though the concept is wonderful, but i'm less stoked about their longterm survival so i don't shoot them as much. i have little data to support my fear, just anecdotal reports and my own "reasoning" for whatever little that is worth.
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Any galling problems between aluminum and steel were long ago resolved with the original Colt Commander and S&W M39.for a safe queen, i don't want a steel slide wearing down an old alloy frame. i agree though the concept is wonderful, but i'm less stoked about their longterm survival so i don't shoot them as much. i have little data to support my fear, just anecdotal reports and my own "reasoning" for whatever little that is worth.
Considering that there were hundreds of thousands of steel/aluminum pistols out there since 1949, that has not been a significant problem. Could it be? Possibly, but you would have to have an extremely high round this count and something else would fail before that happened. Of course there are all steel DA/SA pistols. Two known problems: in the early days of stainless steel guns, galling was a problem especially with Randall's and AMT Hardballers. Better metallurgy solved that problem. The feeders ramp on Commanders got ruined by the bullet profile. The gunsmith trick was to insert a metal sleeve. Ruger uses a titanium sleeve on its lightweight pistol.
Everyone has fears or concerns. Emotion overrides intellect. I have an irrational fear of hand grenades. I am convinced that once I pull the pin I am going to drop it and it is going to roll out of my hand and even to this day the mental image of that is firmly imprinted in my mind.
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for a safe queen, i don't want a steel slide wearing down an old alloy frame. i agree though the concept is wonderful, but i'm less stoked about their longterm survival so i don't shoot them as much. i have little data to support my fear, just anecdotal reports and my own "reasoning" for whatever little that is worth.
I have a 6906 with over 30,000 rounds through it and no appreciable wear on the alloy frame. With proper lube these guns could outlast the owners.
PS My only complaint about alloy frames is their light weight. I would love to have a 6906 with a SS frame. I would gladly trade a little extra weight for less muzzle flip.
PPS Alloy frames do have their drawbacks. Some alloy frames don't wear as well as steel/SS. Alloy framed SIGs have been known to develop cracks in the rail area, rendering the frame useless, and SIG does not warranty their frames.
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for a safe queen, i don't want a steel slide wearing down an old alloy frame. i agree though the concept is wonderful, but i'm less stoked about their longterm survival so i don't shoot them as much. i have little data to support my fear, just anecdotal reports and my own "reasoning" for whatever little that is worth.
Not a problem, really. 90% of the Sig P series handguns are all built this way. Even the nitron madness P series guns (where the nitron was too abrasive and ground some of the anodizing off the alloy frame) last a REALLY long time, just keep the things lubricated. If you're really paranoid, use some kind of grease on the rails like slide glide or whatever.
-Mike
The best iteration of this idea is the HK LEM trigger. The only thing the LEM sucked at brutally is the reset is way too long. Para did it too with the LDA but that was a shitty, proprietary design that pissed off gunsmiths... well that, and it was Para.
-Mike
So I shot a few of the aforementioned on the list....loved the CZ85 Combat and the USP9Compact...then a friend had to throw a ****ing monkey wrench in.
Visiting in PA, he had the 5006, the CZ75 and 2 HKs - a USP 9C and a USP45C.... the 9 had the LEM, didn't care for it. The 45 had the DASA decocker....
God DAMN I love that gun! So now its between the non LEM 9 and the 45C
Visiting in PA, he had the 5006, the CZ75 and 2 HKs - a USP 9C and a USP45C.... the 9 had the LEM, didn't care for it. The 45 had the DASA decocker....
God DAMN I love that gun! So now its between the non LEM 9 and the 45C
Varmint
NES Member
Was it USP45c or HK45c? You should try a 9c with DASA, it should be very similar to the 45c.
Varmint
NES Member
Ok yeah, sounds like you did try a USP9c with DA/SA setup. There's no 9mm version of the HK45c, I wish there was.
also got to shoot the governor....was very very very surprised by how much I liked it. seems like it would be awkward for carry, but he let me try his IWB with it - oddly concealable for such an oddly shaped revolver.
After many years of shooting DA/SA pistols (S&W. CZ, and SIG mostly) I have no use for the "pre cocked" or LEM pistols I have tried. As long as the pistol has a decent DA trigger there is no problem transitioning to SA mode which has many advantages. I don't even notice it. To paraphrase Colonel Cooper, "the pre cocked or LEM trigger is an ingenious solution to a non existent problem".
cfbackrow
NES Member
my father has the governor....I love shooting it
