DeLeo receives award from Stop Handgun Violence.

[DispositionMatrix]

Just another small indicator that private gun ownership is going away in MA.

^Not even remotely true

For years MA residents have required a license simply to _own_ long guns. In the last batch of gun laws, a measure of suitability was added to that. Putting aside the ability to "bear" arms in MA, which has even stricter criteria, that is pretty much the definition of _not_ having the right to "keep" arms. When you combine the facts that 2A has for the most part successfully been circumvented in MA, elected leadership in MA is staunchly and consistently anti-2A, and by extension the people who elect those leaders are either anti-2A or unconcerned with it, holding out hope that in two or three decades MA proletarians will be able to own firearms would be a fool's errand.

 

[Bfatz]

All this really does is illustrate the cozy relationship between the two. Looks like they had a nice romantic dinner together.

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Why aren't they wearing their arm bands?

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

For years MA residents have required a license simply to _own_ long guns. In the last batch of gun laws, a measure of suitability was added to that. Putting aside the ability to "bear" arms in MA, which has even stricter criteria, that is pretty much the definition of _not_ having the right to "keep" arms. When you combine the facts that 2A has for the most part successfully been circumvented in MA, elected leadership in MA is staunchly and consistently anti-2A, and by extension the people who elect those leaders are either anti-2A or unconcerned with it, holding out hope that in two or three decades MA proletarians will be able to own firearms would be a fool's errand.

Your original statement is flat out wrong. Private gun ownership in Massachusetts is NOT going away. On the country, the number of gun owners and guns in the state is increasing at a substantial rate. We know this because we track the number of active gun licenses, we know NICS checks in Massachusetts are up consistently year-over-year and just the activity on this forum tells us that guns are not the taboo that they once were in this state.

The tide has clearly shifted in our favor and will continue for the foreseeable future. The story of DeLeo's gun control bill bears this out. What he got signed into law isn't even remotely close to what he started with and that's because public attitudes about guns have changed dramatically over what they were 15-30 years ago. If you're fixated on the FID suitability problem you've missed the point entirely. Unless you're Joe Biden the exercise of your Second Amendment rights is not satisfied with a mere shotgun.

Your ability to exercise even the 'in-home' ("keep arm") component is directly tied to the LTC and that is where you need to focus. While the law will still allow a licensing authority to deny an LTC to to someone that's been deemed an 'unsuitable' person, the justifications a police chief can use in making that determination will be greatly curtailed come January 1.

As always, the devil is in the details and these new limits on suitability won't mean anything until the courts start enforcing them. That's where Comm2A comes in. We have a plan.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Your original statement is flat out wrong. Private gun ownership in Massachusetts is NOT going away. On the country, the number of gun owners and guns in the state is increasing at a substantial rate. We know this because we track the number of active gun licenses, we know NICS checks in Massachusetts are up consistently year-over-year and just the activity on this forum tells us that guns are not the taboo that they once were in this state.

The tide has clearly shifted in our favor and will continue for the foreseeable future. The story of DeLeo's gun control bill bears this out. What he got signed into law isn't even remotely close to what he started with and that's because public attitudes about guns have changed dramatically over what they were 15-30 years ago. If you're fixated on the FID suitability problem you've missed the point entirely. Unless you're Joe Biden the exercise of your Second Amendment rights is not satisfied with a mere shotgun.

Your ability to exercise even the 'in-home' ("keep arm") component is directly tied to the LTC and that is where you need to focus. While the law will still allow a licensing authority to deny an LTC to to someone that's been deemed an 'unsuitable' person, the justifications a police chief can use in making that determination will be greatly curtailed come January 1.

As always, the devil is in the details and these new limits on suitability won't mean anything until the courts start enforcing them. That's where Comm2A comes in. We have a plan.

Thank You Comm2A for all the hard work!!!!!

 

[Glockster30]

For years MA residents have required a license simply to _own_ long guns. In the last batch of gun laws, a measure of suitability was added to that. Putting aside the ability to "bear" arms in MA, which has even stricter criteria, that is pretty much the definition of _not_ having the right to "keep" arms. When you combine the facts that 2A has for the most part successfully been circumvented in MA, elected leadership in MA is staunchly and consistently anti-2A, and by extension the people who elect those leaders are either anti-2A or unconcerned with it, holding out hope that in two or three decades MA proletarians will be able to own firearms would be a fool's errand.

Thanks for your words of encouragement from those of us in MA - NOT! Prior to Heller and McDonald, some might have agreed with you, but for the rest of us, we're here to keep on fighting the good fight and will prevail.

 

[DispositionMatrix]

Your original statement is flat out wrong. Private gun ownership in Massachusetts is NOT going away. On the country, the number of gun owners and guns in the state is increasing at a substantial rate. We know this because we track the number of active gun licenses, we know NICS checks in Massachusetts are up consistently year-over-year and just the activity on this forum tells us that guns are not the taboo that they once were in this state.

The tide has clearly shifted in our favor and will continue for the foreseeable future. The story of DeLeo's gun control bill bears this out. What he got signed into law isn't even remotely close to what he started with and that's because public attitudes about guns have changed dramatically over what they were 15-30 years ago. If you're fixated on the FID suitability problem you've missed the point entirely. Unless you're Joe Biden the exercise of your Second Amendment rights is not satisfied with a mere shotgun.

Your ability to exercise even the 'in-home' ("keep arm") component is directly tied to the LTC and that is where you need to focus. While the law will still allow a licensing authority to deny an LTC to to someone that's been deemed an 'unsuitable' person, the justifications a police chief can use in making that determination will be greatly curtailed come January 1.

As always, the devil is in the details and these new limits on suitability won't mean anything until the courts start enforcing them. That's where Comm2A comes in. We have a plan.

I'll agree to disagree with soft-pedaling one of the most restrictive firearms licensing schemes in the country and adhering to unsubstantiated wishful thinking based on faith in a dubious "plan" that would take years to play out.

Anyway, that is all off-topic. DeLeo will probably have expired due to natural causes and been replaced by a next-generation, rabidly-anti-2A, PAG-supported pol by the time there is any legal action anyone can pretend is noteworthy.

 

[jar]

I'll agree to disagree with soft-pedaling one of the most restrictive firearms licensing schemes in the country and adhering to unsubstantiated wishful thinking based on faith in a dubious "plan" that would take years to play out.

Even in the light of this most restrictive scheme, gun ownership has increased massively.

I wouldn't be so quick to deride Comm2A's planning. Just last night I shot bullseye with a guy who has an LTC and owns handguns thanks to Comm2A's legal work. What have you done?

 

[Mike S]

I wonder who paid for dinner? Some ethics issue arise if Rosenthal did.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I'll agree to disagree with soft-pedaling one of the most restrictive firearms licensing schemes in the country and adhering to unsubstantiated wishful thinking based on faith in a dubious "plan" that would take years to play out.

The problem with plans that do not take years to play out is that they fail. A great example is GOAL's litigation attempting to have the gun control act of 1998 overturned. A second strategic mistake GOAL's counsel made was expecting a MA court to hear the case without an inherit bias against gun owners. That's why Comm2A frequently goes federal.

We have made some progress - legal resident aliens are now eligible for LTCs (prior to that case, conventional wisdom was that it would be impossible to have a MA gun law declared unconstitutional); we have had a federal court declare that an out of state MJ conviction is not a lifetime disqualifier (though we are still working on getting the state to recognize that for all applicants); we are in the process of holding bonded warehouses accountable and Boston has retreated from it's "no birth certificate, no LTC" policy for passport holders.

Currently, 92% of LTCs in the state are unrestricted. We're working on behalf of the unfortuante 8%.

The law changed to state that MA PD's must accept applications by mail, and send out a receipt starting the clock. With appropriate action by Comm2A, this should end the practice of "we're to busy to let you apply for another 6 months or so".

The change in suitability criteria provides an interesting opportunity. There is a decent chance things will improve, provided Comm2a ends up handling the precedent setting cases and we don't have to deal with a bunch of pro-se hail mary passes by applicants not schooled in legal procedure.

And, don't forget the masterful plan GOAL did on damage control with DeLeo's bill. The only downside is that chiefs may now petition the court to deny an FID - but there is both direct upside that you see, and some indirect upside that plays in to litigation strategy that I am not discussing here.

Gun club memberships seem to be on the rise - the past few years have shown a distinct uptick in new members at Hopkinton Sportsmens and, from what I hear, other clubs as well.

Just have to eat the elephant one bite at a time.

 

[Mike S]

Exactly Rob, people need to remember that it took the anti freedom crowd decades to get us where we are. It will likely take just as long to unwind all of their bullcrap. I know that's not the answer that many want to hear in the internet age of instant gratification but that's the facts.

 

[FrugalFannie]

I'll agree to disagree with soft-pedaling one of the most restrictive firearms licensing schemes in the country and adhering to unsubstantiated wishful thinking based on faith in a dubious "plan" that would take years to play out.

Anyway, that is all off-topic. DeLeo will probably have expired due to natural causes and been replaced by a next-generation, rabidly-anti-2A, PAG-supported pol by the time there is any legal action anyone can pretend is noteworthy.

You should probably be more concerned with our own state and the crap that is being proposed for our next legislative session. We'll see what comes out of committee but it looks loike its a bout to get nasty in NH!

 

[Glockster30]

You should probably be more concerned with our own state and the crap that is being proposed for our next legislative session. We'll see what comes out of committee but it looks loike its a bout to get nasty in NH!

Exactly! We need to fight for freedom wherever we live because there will always be someone that wants to take it away.

 

[mbullism]

I wonder who paid for dinner? Some ethics issue arise if Rosenthal did.

Rest assured, You and I paid for dinner...

 

[rwl1955]

They're giving each other a pat on the back for doing exactly nothing but tricking the retards who "support the cause" into believing that they did "something".

Just goes to show you how stupid antis are, as a generality.

-Mike

*****
You are correct. Nothing but PR for the sheeple.

 

[Dadstoys]

Beside donating to Comm2A and Goal , we need to do our part and get new shooters .
Got another new one going to the range on Saturday.
After the day is over comes the "Well if you had a good time you should give some thought to getting your license." talk.
If you decide to, I'll help you through the process.

We all do that a few times a year, and keep those numbers growing.
Numbers and votes is all these dillholes worry about , right or wrong doesn't even factor in.

 

[dingbat]

Remember this when even thinking about going anywhere near Wachusett Mountain whose owner is on the board of Stop Handgun Violence.

Do NOT give him your money to be used against you.

There is a ski area in MA where the owner's views are in line with the majority on NES, but it'd be about a 14hr drive from the location in your profile.

 

[Quiet]

There is a ski area in MA where the owner's views are in line with the majority on NES, but it'd be about a 14hr drive from the location in your profile.

First off, where?

Second, you're the very first person who has noticed that address that I've had up there since last February. ;-)

Well done, sir.

 

[dingbat]

First off, where?

Second, you're the very first person who has noticed that address that I've had up there since last February. ;-)

Well done, sir.

February!

New England's best kept secret - Berkshire East.

I'm not going to say anything online that could get the owners crossed up with anyone or anything, but let's just say they're good guys that see things the right way.

 

[bocan3]

DeLeo and Rosenthal out dining and giving awards to each other? ...gay.