AllaSnackbah
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is snackbah calls you now to taste natick donuts - don`t go.
I feel like there's some kind of geographic pun im missing out on here.
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Define mid range rifle distance
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I feel like there's some kind of geographic pun im missing out on here.
AllaSnackbah
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Sorry, I should have known with a name like savageshooter that your sense of humor would be bland.
For the sake of education and without further digression ill reword my statement to calm your fear of pussy cancel culture wokeness or whatever.
I know some dead 'people' who would otherwise offer compelling arguments contradicting this statement.
There have been some lots of 193 coming out recently that have been putting out relatively good consistency wrt mv and accuracy. Obviously the bullet isnt ideal for accuracy at distance nor terminal ballistics compared to something like MK262, MK318, or even M855A1 but its certainly well capable of putting holes in people well beyond 200 and if you can put holes in people it effectively takes them out of the fight at those kinds of distances, if you need to make some followups to truly eliminate the threat after that you can easily do so.
The real answer is that there is no magic bullet for people at any distance, even with the best ammo some humans can soak up 3-5 rounds before going down and not being a threat anymore, some will curl up and die with one. Some 'people' is just built different yo.
AllaSnackbah
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100yds can be long range depending on how much coffee/redbull I've had before pulling into the range
Bruh, i know those feels. Especially with a red dot pistol... oooooof.
1903Collector
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At what range does a 5.56 bullet stop ripping the body apart? cuz Biden said it rips the body apart. Can it blow the lungs out like a 9mm?
Mesatchornug
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"Point blank" isn't what most people think it is. That's just where you'll (acceptably) hit your target without holding for elevation.
Better explanation here:
ShootersCalculator.com | Point Blank Range Calculator
Calculates the maximum point blank range of a firearm cartridge fired from a rifle or handgun.
I thought you were a forward observer?
Can’t speak for other branches or alphabet agencies or corrupt BS civilian rifle organizations but for the Corps it was 300 with 5.56 NATO green tip. This is why we always shot a 300 yard zero or a BZO..battle sight zero. Things changed a lot when GWOT really got going and engagement distances changed and ACOGS came into play.
556USER
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Exactly. It's relative to what you are doing or need to do.
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Keep racist comments to a minimum. There are many "is snackbah calls you now to taste natick donuts - don`t go.
Plenty of people seem to expect this cartridge to perform tasks that it was never intended to perform. The .223 is a medium range varmint/predator caliber that was modified for military use. Effective range, as far as I am concerned, is the range that a given cartridge can reliably stop an attacker's hostile actions immediately or, in the case of hunting, harvest the targeted game quickly and humanely. I am certainly not suggesting that the .223 peters out completely at 200 yards and is no longer lethal. It has a maximum range of over two miles and can certainly kill well beyond its effective range. An innocent motorist in NYC was killed by a stray .303 round after some moron on a sailboat in New York harbor, almost two miles away, decided to take some impromptu target practice with an Enfield on some floating trash.
SHOCKNAWE
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My mid range is anything under 200 yards. I only shoot rifle 556 and pretty much train for engagements 200 yards and under, that covers my version of realistic shooting in bad scenarios, I'm not a sniper and never will be.
The military counts effective range by hit probability. As snackbar said, if you put a .224 hole through a guy at 600 yards, he’s likely out of the fight. Close in battles, he would probably keep fighting because there is an immediate threat. At 600 yards, he’s going to be like “na, I don’t think I’ll assault that objective after all.” But no, it’s not immediately stopping him. Still effective though.
TANGENT
Since you're way out west now, you might want to check out some of Fred Eichler or Les Johnson's content, making 400-yard hits on running coyotes. Fred has made a good point with regard to hits on moving targets at longer distances - there's much less swinging of the barrel for longer distances, vs. placing hits on fast moving targets closer in.
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Mesatchornug
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Ummm... pretty clear he was talking about @AllaSnackbah. But go ahead and get all testy.
My vote:
Short: 300 yards and under
Mid: 300-700 yards
Long: 700 + yards
I didn’t know that the NRA used this breakdown but this is based on my experience. With ia standard hunting rifle and scope I had no problem getting out to 300 without use of ballistic tables or wind holds. When this was as far as I shot, I had enough ”dope”(experience) to know with 200 yard zero rifle was a bit high at 100, and 4-5 inches low at 300
it wasn’t till I started shooting past 300 yards that I needed to chrono loads out of my gun and use ballistic tables with drop and wind drift. At that point I was definitely past short range so past 300 I was into mid range
So at what point does mid-range cross over into long range? For the longest time I considered 600 yards to be the cross over point, but that was arbitrary as I had shot paper targets to 600 yards with the AR, but beyond that it was shooting steel with bolt guns. ( not that you can’t shoot gas gun past 600 or shoot paper past 600 - just the my experience and bias). But the more long range I shot I found for me that past 700 yds things were different. My standard loads I used in .243 went subsonic. My personal hit probability went down, particularly with my .308 past 700 yards, more than the extra distance should dictate. Drop and drift. When I went to 6.5CM I had way more success past 700 than with other rifles (we are talking first shot cold bore, no sighter shots, and varying target distances). so for me out to 700 yards I can do a lot with a variety of rifles and calibers, but past 700 they start sorting themselves out. So for me that’s the break point
Short: 300 yards and under
Mid: 300-700 yards
Long: 700 + yards
I didn’t know that the NRA used this breakdown but this is based on my experience. With ia standard hunting rifle and scope I had no problem getting out to 300 without use of ballistic tables or wind holds. When this was as far as I shot, I had enough ”dope”(experience) to know with 200 yard zero rifle was a bit high at 100, and 4-5 inches low at 300
it wasn’t till I started shooting past 300 yards that I needed to chrono loads out of my gun and use ballistic tables with drop and wind drift. At that point I was definitely past short range so past 300 I was into mid range
So at what point does mid-range cross over into long range? For the longest time I considered 600 yards to be the cross over point, but that was arbitrary as I had shot paper targets to 600 yards with the AR, but beyond that it was shooting steel with bolt guns. ( not that you can’t shoot gas gun past 600 or shoot paper past 600 - just the my experience and bias). But the more long range I shot I found for me that past 700 yds things were different. My standard loads I used in .243 went subsonic. My personal hit probability went down, particularly with my .308 past 700 yards, more than the extra distance should dictate. Drop and drift. When I went to 6.5CM I had way more success past 700 than with other rifles (we are talking first shot cold bore, no sighter shots, and varying target distances). so for me out to 700 yards I can do a lot with a variety of rifles and calibers, but past 700 they start sorting themselves out. So for me that’s the break point
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Curious…what zero do you use? 25, 50, or 100…
SHOCKNAWE
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50 yard's
Gonna go with purely dependent/subjective depending on whether you're talking ballistics, practical shooting, target shooting, hunting, etc.
Military had me at 500 with iron sights. With a scope (just due to my eyesight), I'd consider "long range" to be beyond that.
But I don't see a situation where I'd find myself laying prone, shooting at a person standing still, at 500+ yards, with 5.56. Maybe some do, but that's not a scenario that I see for me. So, situation matters. In my opinion, anyway. Which matters zero, lol.
"Practical" mid range for me is 100-200ish? With long being beyond that. At the range, 300-500ish.
If all you're trying to do is ring steel....mid range could be 1000+ for some folks. There's not going to be a concrete "you're right and he's wrong" or vice versa to come out of this.
Military had me at 500 with iron sights. With a scope (just due to my eyesight), I'd consider "long range" to be beyond that.
But I don't see a situation where I'd find myself laying prone, shooting at a person standing still, at 500+ yards, with 5.56. Maybe some do, but that's not a scenario that I see for me. So, situation matters. In my opinion, anyway. Which matters zero, lol.
"Practical" mid range for me is 100-200ish? With long being beyond that. At the range, 300-500ish.
If all you're trying to do is ring steel....mid range could be 1000+ for some folks. There's not going to be a concrete "you're right and he's wrong" or vice versa to come out of this.
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Nice…me too. Great zero for any threats we will face as civilians.
AllaSnackbah
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What i said wasn't even racist, people just dont get context over text, which i get. When you're being intentionally square you're ability to get the context is lessened even more.
Nailed it, psycholigical stop. Typically once guys start leaking all that im up he sees me im down/jihad stuff turns into "lets go get all up in that ladyboy bussy" or "i need to find a dr" instead.
Wickedcoolname
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I'd say mid-range is halfway between short-range and long-range.
I think you’re being a slightly optimistic to call it very capable past 800. Even with the 77 grain bullets. It’s still getting pushed all over the place by the slightest wind at that distance and has very little energy if you are capable of dealing with that.
For the more popular variations of the cartridge, I’d say it’s doable for average to decent shooters out to 500 or so with good optics in what I would call normal conditions. 5-10 mph variable winds.
