Correlation? Controlling people.

[M1911]

Again, you seem to be ignoring the point along with a large pew research poll that demonstrates my point......specifically that religious affiliation doesnt = party affiliation

That's because you are making a strawman argument. No one claimed that it does. You completely misread my post and you continue to misread it, because you refuse to understand that the Christian Coalition is a real organization.

 

[whatluck]

Religious Right conservatives are every bit as controlling as left wing liberals -- they just want a different set of rules.

jpk, re-read this post and then get offline for awhile. I think you've had enough internet today.

 

[daekken]

jpk, re-read this post and then get offline for awhile. I think you've had enough internet today.

@jpk

 

[eboos]

wow this thread is sliding towards dumpster fire fast

hold my beer...

Was the facebook poster guilty or not guilty?

 

[daekken]

hold my beer...

Was the facebook poster guilty or not guilty?

OP should have banged her...husband? Thrown the keys on the roof and done an upper decker.

 

[Dennis in MA]

At the Lake, I get up at o'dark-thirty to go fishing most mornings. (Say between 5:30 and 6. Not dark, but dark-ish). We are talking a 9.9hp 4-stroke. Not THAT loud at all. Not lawnmower loud. Barely car loud. (But sound carries on water well.)

Next door neighbor is usually up at 7-7:30, starts her annoying motorcycle, often with the music blaring as well. Lets it idle a good 3-5 min before taking off.

Why I am concerned, I know not.

 

[M1911]

Its a red herring.....you cherry picked a couple data points in an attempt to conflate religion with political party while ignoring the fact that the facts show otherwise.

NO! A thousand times NO!

I NEVER EVER CLAIMED THAT RELIGION IMPLIES AN ASSOCIATION WITH A POLITICAL PARTY. I never claimed that Christians in general are conservative.

This is what I wrote:

I think pretty much everyone in the US considers the Christian Coalition to be conservative.

Conservative != libertarian.

Religious Right conservatives are every bit as controlling as left wing liberals -- they just want a different set of rules.

The Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition are non-profit organizations. They are conservative. They are religious. They are commonly referred to as the "Religious Right".

The Christian right or the religious right are conservative Christian political factions that are characterized by their strong support of socially conservative policies. Christian conservatives principally seek to apply their understanding of the teachings of Christianity to politics and to public policy by proclaiming the value of those teachings or by seeking to use those teachings to influence law and public policy.[1]

In the United States, the Christian right is an informal coalition formed around a core of conservative evangelical Protestants and Roman Catholics.[2][3][4]

Full text here: Christian right - Wikipedia

I never said that Christians are conservative. I said that the Christian Coalition and the Moral Majority are conservative. I said that the Religious Right is conservative. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE RIGHT WING.

Before you respond, go read about the Christian Coalition, the Moral Majority, and the Religious Right:

Christian Coalition of America - Wikipedia
Moral Majority - Wikipedia
Christian right - Wikipedia

Neither of them represent all Christians and I never implied that.

 

[M1911]

By your own admission the christian coalition is a PAC

Its not a Church

Oh FFS. I never said or implied that it was a Church!

 

[whatluck]

I hate having to start up my lesbaru in the AM, it has the EJ257 with invidia catless exhaust, way too loud but I gotta warm it up. If it's really early ill move it to at least the exhaust is pointed at my back fence. Nobody's ever complained, but I imagine people aren't happy about it.

 

[drgrant]

Now if others would clue in and figure out that republican doesnt = conservative nor can the two be used interchangeably............

Problem is that isn't happening. "Conservative" and "Republican" as well as "Democrat" and "Liberal" are all a bunch of wells contaminated with shit as far as the national lexicon goes, and I don't see any shit pumping trucks coming. As a matter of fact, I see even more shithawks coming....

 

[M1911]

FINALLY

Now if others would clue in and figure out that republican doesnt = conservative nor can the two be used interchangeably............

I NEVER SAID IT WAS! WOULD YOU PLEASE GO REREAD MY POSTS!!!!!

Just stop with the strawman arguments.

 

[daekken]

I NEVER SAID IT WAS! WOULD YOU PLEASE GO REREAD MY POSTS!!!!!

Just stop with the strawman arguments.

He won't. In the other thread I said "I don't like mandatory PTO laws" about ten times and then he called me a progressive because I was simply discussing the laws, so then he said I probably "live in Amherst". I challenged him to provide any quotes where I support those laws...and, shockingly, he hasn't replied since.

 

[mibro]

I’m a curmudgeon who also has to get up early. I, too, would appreciate it if neighbors kept quiet by 10 pm on a week night. Fortunately, our neighbors are quiet and this is rarely an issue in our neighborhood.

lol. Mine too. Good old New England segregation. There are people in my town who have tried to ban leafblowers.

 

[Glockster30]

Only on NES can a post about noisy neighbors turn into a slugfest about what constitutes conservative political groups.

The fact of the matter is, probably 95% of the posters in this thread agree with 85 to 90% of the Christian Coalition's agenda.

Our Agenda | Christian Coalition

 

[allen-1]

hold my beer...

Was the facebook poster guilty or not guilty?

Her husband is an attorney.
I read what they chose to present to the public on their facebook pages.
They're both very anti-gun.
And apparently this isn't her first post admonishing people about their behavior.

I live in a pretty large development. When it's complete, there will be just under 500 homes. We're not all going to have the same opinions. I just found it amusing/interesting that she was upset about kids playing ball before 10PM and that she's anti-gun.

 

[whacko]

Her husband is an attorney.
I read what they chose to present to the public on their facebook pages.
They're both very anti-gun.
And apparently this isn't her first post admonishing people about their behavior.

I live in a pretty large development. When it's complete, there will be just under 500 homes. We're not all going to have the same opinions. I just found it amusing/interesting that she was upset about kids playing ball before 10PM and that she's anti-gun.

Ah.....ok guilty.

 

[eboos]

There is no doubt that she is a twat - her husband too, but I get the whole problem with noise at night. Even in my cow infested area of CT I am surprised by the number of antigunners.

 

[SpaceCritter]

I live in a pretty large development. When it's complete, there will be just under 500 homes.

 

[drgrant]

I hate having to start up my lesbaru in the AM, it has the EJ257 with invidia catless exhaust, way too loud but I gotta warm it up. If it's really early ill move it to at least the exhaust is pointed at my back fence. Nobody's ever complained, but I imagine people aren't happy about it.

No valved exhaust?

 

[Glockster30]

Is that surprising given the fact that every single one of the stated positions revolves around/supports freedom/liberty/limited government with one exception?

It's not at all surprising. What is surprising and ironic is that for the most part, some comments directed at the Christian Conservative's referred it to the Religious Right and that since the majority here identify with the majority of their views, they don't realize that maybe they are the Religious Right.

 

[whatluck]

No valved exhaust?

lulz its a subaru not a fancy german pimpmobile

 

[drgrant]

lulz its a subaru not a fancy german pimpmobile

True dat, but valved exhausts are even on aftermarket now, just possibly spendy. A bunch of the Lexus RCF groups im on, the Meisterschaft is the hot seller because they can close the valves so they don't piss off the neighbors and then change it to BRAAAAAAAAAP later.

 

[M1911]

What I find amusing is what appears to be a knee jerk reaction by some to paint anyone and anything with any sort of christian religious affiliation as extreme/hateful/right wing.

No one in this thread made any such statement or implied that. Many Episcopal congregations are very liberal. Many Evangelical congregations are very conservative. And there are many churches in between. I have a Catholic friends who are very conservative but there are also some Catholic priests whose beliefs are closer to socialist.

That doesn’t change the fact that there are a number of conservative religious groups (notice I said GROUPS not CHURCHES) that have had a lot of political power.

 

[M1911]

yet we frequently hear leftists advocate in favor of sharia in direct contradiction of the US Constitution

Really? Post some proof that isn’t InfoWars, Alex Jones, or similar.

 

[TheGreekFreak]

I hate having to start up my lesbaru in the AM, it has the EJ257 with invidia catless exhaust, way too loud but I gotta warm it up. If it's really early ill move it to at least the exhaust is pointed at my back fence. Nobody's ever complained, but I imagine people aren't happy about it.

Jesus.....my brothers rex has a catted invidia exhaust and its fricken loud, especially during a cold start. I have an aftermarket exhaust on my car as well but it's so civilized in comparison. Forget the neighbors, I don't know how you live with the drone lol

Anyway, before I derail this thread even further, anyone who complains about a bunch of neighborhood kids playing outside before 10pm can suck it. Unless the kids are being obnoxiously loud, screaming like animals, or breaking things, I love seeing kids playing on my street on the rare occasion it happens. In fact, I would buy them a ball if it meant getting them unglued from their phones and out playing.

When no one in the neighborhood but 1 or 2 people complain about stuff like that, they're usually what we refer to as the neighborhood C words. We had one near us growing up, would even call the cops about noise from time to time despite being a block away. No one else in the neighborhood had an issue except that one miserable C word.

If the kids are not terrorizing the place, suck it up a little, adults. A little noise isn't the end of the world.

 

[teaser452]

It’s a sign of the times. It’s how you know our culture and civilization is collapsing.

Words mean things. At least they used to. But now both side, all sides twist words that used to have well defined meanings, and make them unintelligible.

I run into libertarians who want guns banned!
I run into Catholics who support abortion!
I run into sports fans who think soccer is actually a sport!
I run into liberals who want lower taxes!

Words don’t have agreed upon meanings anymore. It’s why it’s nearly impossible these days to have a productive conversation. When you realize that your words don’t mean the same thing as their words, you’re not having a discussion. You’re speaking different languages and not conveying any information.

That said, I’ll risk it, and call myself conservative. I’m generally of the opinion that you should be allowed to do what you want so long as you’re not harming others.

That said, I like zoning laws and noise ordinances. I don’t want someone to buy my neighbors house and run a dump out of the backyard. (Happened to me, thank God for zoning laws). That injured my property value, and my money is my life. I traded time in my life for that money. I don’t want loud parties with drunken people on their front lawn at 1am. And I appreciate the laws that allow me to be free of that type of crap.

I like noise ordinances. I like speed limits. I like laws that protect me from all you crazy mofos out there. Go ahead, marry whatever the hell you want. Better yet, let’s close all the marriage license offices around the country. And the gun permitting departments while we’re at it. Also, the drivers license offices. And the registry. And the Excise tax office.

I’m done ranting. But even down here in the south, where I thought it would be better, it’s not. Same busybodies. Just a different state. Indeed, the Baptist’s might be slightly worse than the ma**h***s. If that’s even possible.

One last thing. You cannot legislate morality. Your nation is either getting more virtuous or less virtuous.

There will come a time when we’ve lost so much virtue that a dictator will come on the scene. Freedom isn’t possible without virtue. And then you’ll wish you had been more virtuous and advocated for more virtue.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

I'm in CT for the summer. I checked the facebook feed for the neighborhood I live in just now, and there's a post from one of my neighbors, who I don't know. She posted last night asking people to remember that people have to get up early, and have kids, so please remember that and stop playing basket ball at night...


Am I just imagining shit or is this the liberal, tolerant progressive way? YOU can't have guns. YOU can't play ball at night because it's disturbing ME.

Welcome to the "progressive" NIMBY "I'm the most important person in the world!" "Look at my precious children said the helicopter mom!" "Only white people or upper middle class university graduate minorities are allowed around here because it's an expensive CT neighborhood" "Look at the BLM signs on my front lawn!" idiotic northeast blue state leftist.

PS: There's lots more where that one came from.

 

[fshalor]

Correct. Someone like Rick Santorum is a good example. I don't think anyone can honestly argue he's not a "conservative," yet, he says stuff like this: "Santorum has said he does not believe a 'right to privacy' is part of the Constitution."
"He is against the legalization of cannabis, and believes that the federal law against it should be enforced in Colorado. He has voted in favor of increasing penalties for drug trafficking and possession, and for increased spending on drug control."
"He opposes same-sex marriage, saying the American public and their elected officials should decide on these 'incredibly important moral issues' rather than the Supreme Court."

ETA this gem: "In June 2011, Santorum said he would continue to 'fight very strongly against libertarian influence within the Republican Party and the conservative movement'."

And that is why "santorum" is a specific type of discharge.

 

[Dennis in MA]

So you think the Christian Coalition is not conservative? OK.

I should just make it my sig-line, or start every thread comment I make with this, but. . . .

The overwhelming majority of people (and by definition, a higher-than-you'd-think % of NES'ers) are 100% AOK with Fascism as long as they happen to agree with what is being controlled or oppressed.

 

[M1911]

The most prominent currently are two elected dem/socialist congress critters.....their comments have been have been plastered all over everything from WaPo to thehill to breitbart to free beacon multiple times if you care to go looking

Then it will be easy for you to post a link. You made the assertion. Prove it.