Chicopee shooting victim was a 15-year-old, alleged 'intruder'; homeowner arrested

[mikeyp]

The comments...ugh...idiots are like "look at his FB page". Nothing bad on there. I know, I know, don't read the comments

 

[TomMontana]

Ummm... He shot someone through the front door at noon time on a Saturday. This is almost like a road rage incident where one driver shoots the other through the driver side window because the other guy was yelling at them and they got scared.

Just looking at Google maps street view. He lives in a dense residential neighborhood. The homeowner put everyone there in danger with his itchy trigger finger. Not sure why so many here are defending this guy.

Street view: https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x5f1e3da8dd88779a!6m1!1e1

 

[GlockJock]

Ummm... He shot someone through the front door at noon time on a Saturday. This is almost like a road rage incident where one driver shoots the other through the driver side window because the other guy was yelling at them and they got scared.

Just looking at Google maps street view. He lives in a dense residential neighborhood. The homeowner put everyone there in danger with his itchy trigger finger. Not sure why so many here are defending this guy.

Street view: https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x5f1e3da8dd88779a!6m1!1e1

Um, probably cuz so many others out there have been already rushed to condemn, try, convict, incarcerate and completely screw him..... F*ck due process and the presumption of innocence....

After all, it involves a g-g-g-GUN??!!!!

"Your Honor, based upon the preponderance of GoogleMaps, the Commonwealth recommends..."

"Guilty until proven..." here in Red Square West.

 

[GM-GUY]

I thought the perp had a gun and was pointing it at me, while threatening to kill me.

Enough for a Jury to say not guilty.

 

[xtry51]

More reasons to not live inMA.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

I though the self defense strategy thing was to set a "mental threshold/trigger point" as well as yell.. "Police are on their way, If you come through that door I will shoot you!" and If they step over the threshold, do just that. They are not a threat until they are IN your house... Unless they have molotov cocktails or something. I have no idea about the legal fur flying frenzy that that would entail.

Nor do you about what a "threat" is. You don't have to wait for your skull to be caved in to recognize a threat to your life and act on it, nor do you have to wait for someone to be in your house when they are smashing your door down to get in at you. Thats why MA law sucks and works to the criminals advantage not the victim.



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[Finalygotabeltfed]

I thought the perp had a gun and was pointing it at me, while threatening to kill me.

Enough for a Jury to say not guilty.

Or just use the Hillary defense, "there was no intent to kill him".

 

[tuna]

Here's hoping I get called for jury duty.

 

[Mountain]

Www

Some places yes, others no. Kentucky law here:

503.055 Use of defensive force regarding dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle -- Exceptions.
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person's will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) of this section does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person;
(b) The person sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of the person against whom the defensive force is used;
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a peace officer, as defined in KRS 446.010, who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties, and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a peace officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a felony involving the use of force.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person's dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
Effective: July 12, 2006
History: Created 2006 Ky. Acts ch. 192, sec. 2, effective July 12, 2006.
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Kentucky law favors the victim, not the criminal.

I'm oversimplifying, but not by much.

My main point is to temper the happy trigger sentiment that pervades threads like this.

 

[Tweed]

I saw that the youts were drinking alcohol and got disoriented. that's how they wound up there. guy heard breaking glass... not the best situation.

 

[MisterHappy]

Ummm... He shot someone through the front door at noon time on a Saturday. This is almost like a road rage incident where one driver shoots the other through the driver side window because the other guy was yelling at them and they got scared.

Just looking at Google maps street view. He lives in a dense residential neighborhood. The homeowner put everyone there in danger with his itchy trigger finger. Not sure why so many here are defending this guy.

Street view: https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x5f1e3da8dd88779a!6m1!1e1

The story said, "Kitchen door." That's likely not the front door. Strangers pounding on one's back door is different than someone at the front, IMO

 

[Sawicki1991]

I live in chicopee. We've had a string of break-ins where people would knock on the door and see if someone was home than bash the door in.

My real question is how and why were a bunch of 15 year old kids drunk at noon smashing their "friends" door in. Do I wish this situation had a better out come, Of course but I also understand how when you told the person banging on your door to go away and the precede to smash your storm door window why you would assume your life was in danger.

Its just a shame how the bring up his Facebook post being pro 2A but they don't ever mention post about drugs or drive bys when a homie in the hood goes and robs a gas station or does a home invasion

 

[Picton]

You're never going to convince me this guy couldn't find some cover or concealment, actually wait until he could, y'know, see a target, and then shoot it from a safe position. It's his own house; doesn't he know where he can go to range the door safely? Don't all of us on NES?

God forbid we actually expect our fellow gun owners to do something crazy like "identify their target" before opening fire. Ain't no way you can possibly "know your target and what's beyond" when the door is closed.

Not sure why this guy's got so many defenders here. Irresponsible gun handling in spades; I'm not about to applaud it.

 

[pupchow]

Everyone should be safe in their home. Otherwise, what's the point?

 

[ProGun]

I believe I would have handled this differently, but I will say that God forbid I ever need to defend my home with a gun that it happens after I leave Mass. I'd be worried about avoiding jail even in the case of a "good" shoot in this God awful state.

 

[scheming]

You're never going to convince me this guy couldn't find some cover or concealment, actually wait until he could, y'know, see a target, and then shoot it from a safe position. It's his own house; doesn't he know where he can go to range the door safely? Don't all of us on NES?

God forbid we actually expect our fellow gun owners to do something crazy like "identify their target" before opening fire. Ain't no way you can possibly "know your target and what's beyond" when the door is closed.

Not sure why this guy's got so many defenders here. Irresponsible gun handling in spades; I'm not about to applaud it.

I second this. Definitely should have waited until the door was broken and he was walking in. Just banging on a door, front or back, doesn't make it a crime.
Once he's inside, that's breaking and entering.

 

[RDG]

This is truly a ****ed up situation. I really feel sorry for both sides. But there's a shit of things I'd like to know... Did the guy have kids home with him, was there more than one guy outside the door, how did the glass get broken....

I'm not whole heartily supporting the guy but what if this was the true story...

Numerous break-ins in the area, so he's probably already a little on edge. Guys home with two kids playing in the other room when suddenly there pounding on the back-door. Someone's shouting to let "us" in, homeowner calls cops and grabs his gun, when suddenly, the guy outside breaks the glass to get in...

Door or no door, im sure a lot of us would do what we deemed best to protect our kids.

 

[Terminator03]

This is truly a ****ed up situation. I really feel sorry for both sides. But there's a shit of things I'd like to know... Did the guy have kids home with him, was there more than one guy outside the door, how did the glass get broken....

I'm not whole heartily supporting the guy but what if this was the true story...

Numerous break-ins in the area, so he's probably already a little on edge. Guys home with two kids playing in the other room when suddenly there pounding on the back-door. Someone's shouting to let "us" in, homeowner calls cops and grabs his gun, when suddenly, the guy outside breaks the glass to get in...

Door or no door, im sure a lot of us would do what we deemed best to protect our kids.

I agree with your position to a point, but he still could have done as someone else mentioned, and got some cover to get the drop on the intruder. He would have not been in any worse danger, had a clear shot, and best of all, NOT be going to jail.

 

[CTpatriot]

About 25 years ago an ex-cop was trying to break down a door in New Britain Connecticut. was his in-laws house the father-in-law shot him through the door with a pretty crappy caliber something like a 380 or 32 and killed him. No charges filed. I sent the news clipping to the NRA and they printed it and their armed citizens column.

 

[CTpatriot]

This is truly a ****ed up situation. I really feel sorry for both sides. But there's a shit of things I'd like to know... Did the guy have kids home with him, was there more than one guy outside the door, how did the glass get broken....

I'm not whole heartily supporting the guy but what if this was the true story...

Numerous break-ins in the area, so he's probably already a little on edge. Guys home with two kids playing in the other room when suddenly there pounding on the back-door. Someone's shouting to let "us" in, homeowner calls cops and grabs his gun, when suddenly, the guy outside breaks the glass to get in...

Door or no door, im sure a lot of us would do what we deemed best to protect our kids.

pounding on door okay call the police. Breaking window and hand going in to open the lock, shoot if you truly feel like your life is in danger. I wonder what the situation would look like if he was an elderly woman and shot.

 

[RDG]

I agree with your position to a point, but he still could have done as someone else mentioned, and got some cover to get the drop on the intruder. He would have not been in any worse danger, had a clear shot, and best of all, NOT be going to jail.

absolutly.... Like I said.. Not supporting this guy... Just wish we had more information but we probably never will. Sad all around

 

[radarbob]

I didn't think really dangerous criminals knocked on doors in broad daylight? NO. Could a ricochet of the bullet through the door have injured somebody else? YES. Could he have shot a determined Boy Scout selling popcorn? YES. Could it have been his neighbor's kid? YES. Would I shoot if he actually entered the house? YES! Edited to MAYBE. DEPENDS. AND maybe neuratralize threat by shooting to injure, rather than kill, if possible. It's a lot fewer years in the pokey!

 

[Sawicki1991]

Talked to a buddy on the pd. Kids were drunk. Yelling while walking down the street. Knocked a few times guy said to leave kid proceeded to keep banging and then smashes the window and gets shot. To me sounds like the smash of the window caused the home owner to flinch and go bang. Nice neighborhood. But there is an"job Corp" on the next street down for troubled kids (last stop before prison) and they have in the past caused issues and beat some local kids up.

So it's understandable why this happened. The homeowner who was allows 3 15 year old kids to get drunk at noon should also be charged. could this have had a better ending yes. But IMO the kid refused to leave when told to get gone and ended up being on the receiving end of a mistake. but in a lot of states what happened here would have been 100% legal.

 

[Reptile]

Come in my kitchen at night looking for a Pokemon...

and you're gonna get a Glockachu.

 

[CTpatriot]

i would move to MA if i could get jury duty at his trial. Today with sick home invasions like cheshire CT you dont take chances with your family.

 

[garandman]

Even in free states with castle doctrine, outside house = bad shoot, inside house = good shoot.

The old saying that "Every bullet comes with a lawyer attached" still abides.

 

[mac1911]

pounding on door okay call the police. Breaking window and hand going in to open the lock, shoot if you truly feel like your life is in danger. I wonder what the situation would look like if he was an elderly woman and shot.

We citizens don't get to feel or think we are in danger.......
Funny some can escalate the violence to stop a threat but others can't.

Run hide and wait to the threat comes in. Really?

Gun safety is one thing it's funny cops can let loose a barrage of bullets with out regarding what's beyond their "target"

Sucks all around. ...

God bless

 

[Double Tap]

Here's hoping I get called for jury duty.

 

[10thSFFD]

Since when healthy 42 years old man needs to handle bunch of 15 years old kids with a gun?

My property defense:

1. Cameras
2. Dogs
3. Steel doors
4. Pepper spray
5. Very loud alarm system
6. Guns

You have to learn how to live in MA with a gun, otherwise they will put you in the jail for a long time.

 

[M1911]

Always drag the deceased's body indoors; destroy drag marks; then call 911

Bad idea. Blood spatter will make it clear you destroyed evidence and then you will be going to prison for life.