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How do your members feel about the range being closed for the day.Have a LE Agency wanting to use our one of our ranges probably a couple days a month. For other clubs that are doing this what do you charge? Per person per day? Set fee for the range for the day? Or?
What happens when someone on one of those police depts launches a round that goes outside of the club property? Who is going to take the hit and have a range closing issue? It won't be the PD it will be the club. Camp Curtis Guild's ranges were shut because of a Cop F*** UP.
Potentially. I think a lot depends on the town. The Lakeville PD is pretty gun friendly and a small department. Weymouth PD is just the opposite.Letting the fox into the hen house.
Because safe ranges, with modern ventilation systems are expensive to build, maintain and operate, and the ROI for very little use would honestly be a huge waste of tax payer money.What I don't get is with all the State Property out there, why don't they have their own shooting ranges (or two) in each county? Seems like a no-brainer...
Probably don't want lead-contamination issues. Let the clubs worry about that...
Yeah, Some years ago, a guy built a house way down range of Ames in Easton. He claimed his house was hit (probably bullshit) and the club was shut down and they had to spend a lot to make the ranges "no blue sky ranges." When they re-opened, the guy claimed that a piece of equipment like a bulldozer or something on his property was shot up.Does anyone have a story of cops actually helping a gun range when neighbors complained?
Had to move the police training to the 75 yard line to cut down on the stray bulletsI watched Amherst PD show up and start f***ing around with full auto at Franklin County Sportsman’s when I was a member.
They were a mess and clearly shooting over the berm. Not wanting to be around it I packed up my gear to leave, and stopped in the clubhouse on the way out to wash my hands.
On my way out of the clubhouse the phone on the desk rang, which was odd. Nobody would have any reason to call that phone or expect anyone to pick it up at that time, but I did pick it up, and they did have a reason. It was some guy from the company working on the power lines that ran behind the riffle range. Seems one of his guys up on a tower called him because rounds were whistling by his head and could I do something about it. “Holy Shit! Yeah, right away…”
Get outside just in time to see Amherst’s keystone cops bugging out, kicking up an enormous cloud of dust as they tore down the drive.
Shut down the range, went and found the linemen to sort things out. The guy on the tower being shot at was remarkably calm about it but was more than clear about how close they had come to hitting him.
Bunch of children.
You can see the tower the guy was on beyond the cutout for the 200yd range:
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I am sure they wouldn't have missed if they had training ...I watched Amherst PD show up and start f***ing around with full auto at Franklin County Sportsman’s when I was a member.
They were a mess and clearly shooting over the berm. Not wanting to be around it I packed up my gear to leave, and stopped in the clubhouse on the way out to wash my hands.
On my way out of the clubhouse the phone on the desk rang, which was odd. Nobody would have any reason to call that phone or expect anyone to pick it up at that time, but I did pick it up, and they did have a reason. It was some guy from the company working on the power lines that ran behind the riffle range. Seems one of his guys up on a tower called him because rounds were whistling by his head and could I do something about it. “Holy Shit! Yeah, right away…”
Get outside just in time to see Amherst’s keystone cops bugging out, kicking up an enormous cloud of dust as they tore down the drive.
Shut down the range, went and found the linemen to sort things out. The guy on the tower being shot at was remarkably calm about it but was more than clear about how close they had come to hitting him.
Bunch of children.
You can see the tower the guy was on beyond the cutout for the 200yd range:
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So what about the range on RT 85 in Milford? This is listed as a police range if I remember correctly.
Since when did the Commonwealth of Massachusetts care about wasting taxpayer money???Because safe ranges, with modern ventilation systems are expensive to build, maintain and operate, and the ROI for very little use would honestly be a huge waste of tax payer money.
The closer your sight is to the target, the less you have to aim. Duh.And what the hell is up.with there optic set up? Why not just go flat top?
Yeah, yeah... I know. f*** the police and all that, but really, the cops are going to shoot somewhere, and as a society we all benefit from them being as well trained as possible. Make them buy a membership and maybe some of them will actually practice and train.
For reference, the MA Std Qual:I don't think it is as much the training as the type of training. PD training is more than likely not punching paper at 30 to 50 ft. Practicing moving while shooting etc. This is probably outside the capabilities and rules of many ranges. Moving while shooting is going to impact accuracy.
Since when did the Commonwealth of Massachusetts care about wasting taxpayer money???
My guess is they like being able to have unfettered access to Gun Clubs...
I don't want this gem to get lost among all the flotsam and jetsam.Riverside does a lot of it. They take the 60 yard range and conduct their drills downrange when they're there. I just have to go to the 25 or 100. There's generally very little interaction besides a "Hey, how ya doin'" The only time I actually had a conversation was one day when I was shooting the BP Kentucky Rifle I built (and no longer shoot because f*k that, metallic cartridges were a great idea). I assume the club needs the revenue.
Holy shit. A2 uppers with gooseneck-mounted Aimpoints. That's HS/LD right there...in 1995.I’m a member at Cape Ann sportsman’s club in Gloucester and the club allows the police to use the outdoor ranges 3-4 times per year. No idea if they charge them a fee. I doubt they do. It’s always during the week so it’s not a huge deal.
It’s closed to members when they’re there so I can’t comment on their trigger discipline or shooting abilities
They posted photos on their FB page last month.
I will say they don’t trash the range and they usually leave behind buckets of brass. Which I may or may not pick through
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At the outdoor range I have used, I can have my own bay. As a result, I can practice drawing and moving. And yes, moving while shooting impacts my accuracy... A LOT!... Practicing moving while shooting etc. This is probably outside the capabilities and rules of many ranges. Moving while shooting is going to impact accuracy.
Police departments don’t have that kind of money. If they did, every department in the state would have their own range. The towns would never earmark that kind of money.This. They want to have the facilities, but not be bothered with all the overhead and maintenance.
If a BearCat is crap, I'm happy to dispose of their crap for them.Police departments don’t have that kind of money. If they did, every department in the state would have their own range. The towns would never earmark that kind of money.
Most of the crap police departments have is from federal grants like the bear cats and stuff.
I don't think anyone implied they were taking turns...Police departments don’t have that kind of money. If they did, every department in the state would have their own range. The towns would never earmark that kind of money.
Most of the crap police departments have is from federal grants like the bear cats and stuff.
Edit: I’m not saying that some cops can’t shoot, but in my experience that is the exception. I’m calling bullshit on some of the stories here making it sound like the cops are spraying full auto at each other and taking turns sticking their dicks down the barrel.
I used to get seriously annoyed when they issued us all these new toys nobody wanted. Robocop armor, fancy earpieces for the radios, etc. now I have more shit to carry around on duty or find a place in my already stuffed locker for it. Most guys don’t want more crap to lug around and be accountable forIf a BearCat is crap, I'm happy to dispose of their crap for them.
I used to get seriously annoyed when they issued us all these new toys nobody wanted. Robocop armor, fancy earpieces for the radios, etc. now I have more shit to carry around on duty or find a place in my already stuffed locker for it. Most guys don’t want more crap to lug around and be accountable for
I know neighboring Rockport built their own range at the station a few years ago. But Rockport is $$$Police departments don’t have that kind of money. If they did, every department in the state would have their own range. The towns would never earmark that kind of money.
Most of the crap police departments have is from federal grants like the bear cats and stuff.
Edit: I’m not saying that some cops can’t shoot, but in my experience that is the exception. I’m calling bullshit on some of the stories here making it sound like the cops are spraying full auto at each other and taking turns sticking their dicks down the barrel.
Police departments don’t have that kind of money. If they did, every department in the state would have their own range. The towns would never earmark that kind of money.
"Only ones professional enough"Our town used to have a PD range East of and about 30 degree off parallel to SR114 in Southern NH but had to move as they shot a few cars. They moved to town property with the transfer station about 45 degree off the line of shooting but shot the buildings anyway. So, they now shoot indoors at commercial ranges.
YIKES!!!!!Truth!
Now that I no longer live in MA, I can tell the story.
A man was shooting a pistol at Massapoag Sportsmen's Club and had a skip-shot that struck a person taking a cigarette break at Crescent Ridge Farm (police estimate was 1/2 mile away), striking her in the arm and the spent bullet just fell to the ground. Sharon PD was called and found the shooter, confiscated the gun, MSP ballistics proved that the bullet came from his gun, etc.
The chief ordered the Lt. to shut down Sharon F&G Club outdoor range (which wasn't involved and >1 mile away). It took a lawyer, $14K in baffles and >6 months to get the selectmen to okay opening the outdoor range again. Sharon F&G was where SPD and a handful of other PDs qualified each year at no cost to them. I attended the selectmen's meeting after the club was shut down and I also had some words with one of the selectmen about it (he was and still is an a-hole attorney).
Subsequently and on advice of counsel, SF&G demanded a $1Million insurance policy naming the club before allowing any outside agency to use the facilities. SPD refused and only Boston College Police provided the required policy.
The Sharon PD chief begged me to bring to the BOD his plea to use the range as they were having to pay OT and travel to Raynham to qualify officers. I was legislative chairman of that club for 14 yrs and thus a BOD member. I told the chief that I would put it on the agenda but wouldn't support it. It failed and SPD was not allowed to use the facilities.
I know that after I quit the club in 2000, at some point they again allowed SPD to use the facilities. That same chief ordered an officer to shutdown Wednesday evening skeet/trap shooting one Summer night ~6:30PM after a Karen called to complain about the noise (this was within the past 10 yrs). SF&G was incorporated in the 1930s and I personally know that Wednesday night skeet/trap has been going on there since at least the 1970s . . . and I heard this particular incident on the police scanner directly.
At Sharon F&G, members were forbidden from going up to the outdoor ranges when the police were shooting. I think it was for our own personal safety to avoid being "accidentally" shot.
Yes, read the post here somewhere about the lawsuit against a harassing neighbor of Londonderry F&G. Litchfield Police (and maybe Londonderry Police as well, the property is in both towns) investigated the neighbor complaints and concluded that none of the alleged incidents came from LF&G ranges. But NH is a very different state and culture!
Everyone should take a look at this.For reference, the MA Std Qual:
I think that's one of the "distraction techniques."Everyone should take a look at this.
I'd be willing to bet that half of NES wouldn't pass.
I was disappointed that there wasn't a stage that started.. "With pistol holstered, shooter holds a medium coffee in one hand and a chocolate frosted donut in the other.
When buzzer sounds, shooter transitions coffee and donut to non dominant hand. Shooter draws pistol and moves to 5 yard line. Shooter then fires at medium dog silhouette. 10 rounds, number of hits required 1."
Everyone should take a look at this.
I'd be willing to bet that half of NES wouldn't pass.
I was disappointed that there wasn't a stage that started.. "With pistol holstered, shooter holds a medium coffee in one hand and a chocolate frosted donut in the other.
When buzzer sounds, shooter transitions coffee and donut to non dominant hand. Shooter draws pistol and moves to 5 yard line. Shooter then fires at medium dog silhouette. 10 rounds, number of hits required 1."