Buying Legal Pot Will Get You On The Federal Database

[HorizontalHunter]

An article in the Boston Herald today said that the pot shop opening on Tuesday in Northampton will be using an ID scanner. A spokesperson for the shop is quoted as saying that the scanner will not store buyer information — maybe that is correct and maybe it is not.

It’s probably true. Scanners in and of themselves don’t store data.

No one collects data and doesn’t store it, for their own use or to sell it, in today’s world. Data=$$$ today.

Bob

 

[Asaltweapon]

An article in the Boston Herald today said that the pot shop opening on Tuesday in Northampton will be using an ID scanner. A spokesperson for the shop is quoted as saying that the scanner will not store buyer information — maybe that is correct and maybe it is not.

Ya. OK.
They also don't keep a registry our guns.

 

[JayMcB]

The seed-to-sale software in dispensaries tracks every gram of product sold in an effort to reduce 'diversion' to yutes under 21 and to get every spec of taxes. You will be in the database.

To compare dispensary-grown medical grade product and street weed is comparing apples and oranges.
Street weed is usually treated with fungicides, pesticides and heavy metal infused fertilizers or insecticides to maximize yield. It will also have mycotoxins and mold from the growth, fruiting and drying/curing process, and insect parts in the flower, spider mites, aphids, thrips, etc.

Dispensary products are lab analyzed before sale and those poisons must be in parts per billion to pass. Meaning the growers aren't using them for fear of losing a whole batch from sale sanctioned by the state.
Street weed doesn't have to meet parts per dozen to pass.

Personal growers can control their fertilizer and pesticide regimens, but any large scale street weed grower simply isn't. Period

 

[Chevy 2 65]

If you do. Buy it the old fashion way or grow it and STFU about it.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

The seed-to-sale software in dispensaries tracks every gram of product sold in an effort to reduce 'diversion' to yutes under 21 and to get every spec of taxes. You will be in the database.

To compare dispensary-grown medical grade product and street weed is comparing apples and oranges.
Street weed is usually treated with fungicides, pesticides and heavy metal infused fertilizers or insecticides to maximize yield. It will also have mycotoxins and mold from the growth, fruiting and drying/curing process, and insect parts in the flower, spider mites, aphids, thrips, etc.

Dispensary products are lab analyzed before sale and those poisons must be in parts per billion to pass. Meaning the growers aren't using them for fear of losing a whole batch from sale sanctioned by the state.
Street weed doesn't have to meet parts per dozen to pass.

Personal growers can control their fertilizer and pesticide regimens, but any large scale street weed grower simply isn't. Period

Is all that fact?

 

[Roof gunner]

An article in the Boston Herald today said that the pot shop opening on Tuesday in Northampton will be using an ID scanner. A spokesperson for the shop is quoted as saying that the scanner will not store buyer information — maybe that is correct and maybe it is not.

Don’t trust anybody. Stay safe

 

[namedpipes]

Is all that fact?

He's probably spinning it a little, but drug dealers cut cocaine with ANYTHING handy. Why would anyone thing pot growers are more ethical than that?

 

[JayMcB]

Is all that fact?

Seed to sale is fact
Taxes are fact
Analysis at the dispensary level is fact, it was how MA.gov delayed recreational pot....there was no lab certified to analyze the recreational pot.....which was the exact same product for the medical dispensaries.
Street weed is unregulated. It is sprayed with pesticides, it isn't harvested or cured under regulated conditions, again fact. So draw your own conclusions.

I will put down a bet of $500 that if we took street weed to ProVerde in Milford it would not pass as saleable in MA at a dispensary

 

[M1911]

Don’t trust anybody. Stay safe

I don’t drink alcohol or use marijuana (or its related products), so it doesn’t much matter to me what pot shops do...

 

[Pete85]

Just buy a bag of unpasteurized wild bird seed. Throw it around your backyard in the spring. Enjoy.

Why would I want to grow wild birds in my backyard? /sarcasm

 

[EC1]

The seed-to-sale software in dispensaries tracks every gram of product sold in an effort to reduce 'diversion' to yutes under 21 and to get every spec of taxes. You will be in the database.

To compare dispensary-grown medical grade product and street weed is comparing apples and oranges.
Street weed is usually treated with fungicides, pesticides and heavy metal infused fertilizers or insecticides to maximize yield. It will also have mycotoxins and mold from the growth, fruiting and drying/curing process, and insect parts in the flower, spider mites, aphids, thrips, etc.

Dispensary products are lab analyzed before sale and those poisons must be in parts per billion to pass. Meaning the growers aren't using them for fear of losing a whole batch from sale sanctioned by the state.
Street weed doesn't have to meet parts per dozen to pass.

Personal growers can control their fertilizer and pesticide regimens, but any large scale street weed grower simply isn't. Period

Yeah I heard they hired Anne Dookhan to run the lab.

 

[bill o]

Is all that fact?

The "heavy metal infused fertilizer" is a bit off the mark. It's all the same nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorus salts, from the same sources, packaged in dozens of different brand labels. Sort of like the smokeless powder industry.

 

[quarter28]

you shouldn’t shop anywhere that scans your ID.

All they need to do is see it to verify your age.

CVS scans IDs

 

[JayMcB]

The "heavy metal infused fertilizer" is a bit off the mark. It's all the same nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorus salts, from the same sources, packaged in dozens of different brand labels. Sort of like the smokeless powder industry.

That's true, I meant the heavy metals in the pesticides Pesticides in Pot: A Growing Problem for Marijuana Consumers | Planet Natural

A note: This is a list of violators for the regulated grow industry; imagine what the unregulated industry is using.

this impact is multiplied when the type of use is a concentrate like a dab pen, vape, oil, etc

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Seed to sale is fact
Taxes are fact
Analysis at the dispensary level is fact, it was how MA.gov delayed recreational pot....there was no lab certified to analyze the recreational pot.....which was the exact same product for the medical dispensaries.
Street weed is unregulated. It is sprayed with pesticides, it isn't harvested or cured under regulated conditions, again fact. So draw your own conclusions.

I will put down a bet of $500 that if we took street weed to ProVerde in Milford it would not pass as saleable in MA at a dispensary

Keep your 5 hundred. I am not arguing with you weather or not. You cannot say that ALL street weed is what you say it is. I personally don't care, if it is or isn't.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

He's probably spinning it a little, but drug dealers cut cocaine with ANYTHING handy. Why would anyone thing pot growers are more ethical than that?

I get it.

 

[JayMcB]

Keep your 5 hundred. I am not arguing with you weather or not. You cannot say that ALL street weed is what you say it is. I personally don't care, if it is or isn't.

I'm not saying it all is. I am saying that market forces being what they are, the regulated product is almost certainly lower in pesticides on average than street weed.

Many commercial indoor growers use a hydro grow or inert media with perlite so they can control 100% of what gets into the plants.

 

[glide]

CVS scans IDs

For what?

Shop at Walgreens then.

 

[namedpipes]

I don’t drink alcohol or use marijuana (or its related products), so it doesn’t much matter to me what pot shops do...

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-- MARTIN NIEMÖLLER

 

[Kevin_NH]

I just heard that you need to show ID in Mass to buy legal pot next week when the stores open....I can't find the article but gun owners is other states are becoming PP (Prohibited Persons - Federally) because their ID's are being put into the database after making purchases of legal pot....I have yet to confirm if Mass pot dealers will be recording ID's for the database, but that may be the case.

What is "the database"? When you say "will get you on the Federal database, what exactly is this referring to? Where's the appropriation, who has the contract to build and maintain this database? Did it go out to bid?

Pind said he has seen it happen to Missourians who bought pot in Colorado, where it is legal. "They came back to Missouri, went to purchase a gun. You have to have a photo ID. When we run your name through the computer, it automatically connects you with buying marijuana in Colorado," Pind said.

That claim does suggest the existence of some sort of Federal database into which Colorado dispensary visitor details are being loaded, sync'd back to the NICS check for purchases in MO. If true, this would be big news.

 

[namedpipes]

What is "the database"? When you say "will get you on the Federal database, what exactly is this referring to? Where's the appropriation, who has the contract to build and maintain this database? Did it go out to bid?



That claim does suggest the existence of some sort of Federal database into which Colorado dispensary visitor details are being loaded, sync'd back to the NICS check for purchases in MO. If true, this would be big news.

Do you shop at Stop & Shop? Or almost any grocery store chain, indie store, convenience store, barber, gas station, cable provider or any other supplier of any type of product or service whatsoever?

Then your bits are being sold every time you do. Unless you work under the table and pay for everything in cash, there is a marketing profile with your globally unique identifier on it showing everything about you, including whether you use CBD and your recent purchase of shoe polish.

It's no stretch to think the government would purchase data like that. (or just observe it being transmitted and snag a copy)

It's less of a stretch to think they'd find SOME way to collect it on their own, even if they didn't buy it.

 

[Kevin_NH]

Do you shop at Stop & Shop?...

We don't even have Stop & Shop up here anymore.

I know all about globally unique identifiers and transaction records -- they're my customer's bread and butter. But I've also spent plenty of time in vaguely-titled offices in Crystal City, and I know there's no way "the federal database" is being used as an attributable reason for NICS denials without maintaining a paper-trail a mile long.

It's no stretch to think the government would purchase data like that. (or just observe it being transmitted and snag a copy). It's less of a stretch to think they'd find SOME way to collect it on their own, even if they didn't buy it.

You missed my point -- if the government is going to be collecting and using purchase data for something auditable (like a NICS denial), the FBI isn't going to sidestep around the rules, buy door scanner records from Colorado dispensaries, sniff data in transit; they need to be doing it all above-board, with a paper trail.

If "Turn all Pot shop visitors into Prohibited Persons" were an actual Federal program, it would've appeared in the Federal Register and gone out to bid as yet another a multi-million dollar database project, and I would've had the opportunity to work on it.

 

[namedpipes]

We don't even have Stop & Shop up here anymore.

I know all about globally unique identifiers and transaction records -- they're my customer's bread and butter. But I've also spent plenty of time in vaguely-titled offices in Crystal City, and I know there's no way "the federal database" is being used as an attributable reason for NICS denials without maintaining a paper-trail a mile long.


You missed my point -- if the government is going to be collecting and using purchase data for something auditable (like a NICS denial), the FBI isn't going to sidestep around the rules, buy door scanner records from Colorado dispensaries, sniff data in transit; they need to be doing it all above-board, with a paper trail.

If "Turn all Pot shop visitors into Prohibited Persons" were an actual Federal program, it would've appeared in the Federal Register and gone out to bid as yet another a multi-million dollar database project, and I would've had the opportunity to work on it.

Ok, but take the eyes off the ball for a split second and you might get that opportunity.

 

[Kevin_NH]

Ok, but take the eyes off the ball for a split second and you might get that opportunity.

If it's half as badly run as the NFA registry or healthcare.gov, "Turn all Pot shop visitors into Prohibited Persons" will collapse under it's own indexes in short order.

 

[Prepper]

We don't even have Stop & Shop up here anymore.

I know all about globally unique identifiers and transaction records -- they're my customer's bread and butter. But I've also spent plenty of time in vaguely-titled offices in Crystal City, and I know there's no way "the federal database" is being used as an attributable reason for NICS denials without maintaining a paper-trail a mile long.


You missed my point -- if the government is going to be collecting and using purchase data for something auditable (like a NICS denial), the FBI isn't going to sidestep around the rules, buy door scanner records from Colorado dispensaries, sniff data in transit; they need to be doing it all above-board, with a paper trail.

If "Turn all Pot shop visitors into Prohibited Persons" were an actual Federal program, it would've appeared in the Federal Register and gone out to bid as yet another a multi-million dollar database project, and I would've had the opportunity to work on it.

Probably true. But, if you're wrong even once, or should the government in the future decide to retroactively do some data mining, you're a PP for life. So, if I smoked pot, which I don't, I wouldn't risk it and engage in any transaction that might be identified back to me that would suggest possible pot use. I wouldn't even buy CBD oil in a way that could be identified back to me.

 

[crispnipz]

I just heard that you need to show ID in Mass to buy legal pot next week when the stores open.
I can't find the article but gun owners is other states are becoming PP (Prohibited Persons - Federally) because their ID's are being put into the database after making purchases of legal pot.

Don't buy pot this way or you can lose your LTC.

...

I have yet to confirm if Mass pot dealers will be recording ID's for the database, but that may be the case.
Check this out:

Medical marijuana patients federally barred from buying firearms

That article refers to medical patients. I cannot find an instance of someone becoming a federally prohibited person after purchasing recreational marijuana in a state where it is legal. It is nice of the firearms community to warn each other of this, but we should be careful to differentiate between medical and recreational because it is a whole different animal. Having said that, the ATF has warned MA residents specifically about buying pot: Marijuana Users In Mass. Can't Buy Guns

I believe the MA Cannabis Control Commission has stated that purchase records, if they exist, will not be shared with law enforcement, but I can't find that quote. I can, however, find the full law of Question 4: Full Text Of Massachusetts Question 4 (2016 Marijuana Legalization Initiative)

require a customer to provide a marijuana retailer with identifying information other than identification to determine the customer’s age and shall not require the marijuana retailer to acquire or record personal information about customers other than information typically required in a retail transaction

So basically, don't shop at a store that records your information. NETA in Northampton will be scanning IDs, but we are taking them at their word that the scan will not record anything. Cultivate in Leicester has not said whether they will scan or not.

Give it a few months and Trump is going to legalize on the federal level - then you'll be ok.

That would be...amazing!

Or just don't smoke pot

I'm not for absolute unlimited unfettered personal liberty, but marijuana is legal at the state level and marijuana regulation was not a responsibility enumerated in the Constitution as being a power of the federal government, hence it belongs to the state. So both you and the feds can piss up a stump with that attitude! :emoji_grin:

 

[MMArtist]

There are like 20-30 shops/cornerstores in Springfield alone that have been selling weed in every form for like 2-3 years. There are HUGE expos run all the time. If you smoke, vape, ingest, dab or whatever and your concerned about ending up on a database just get it how you have been getting it. IMO the prices/taxes at shops is ridiculous anyway. If you buy from a licensed shop at this point your a sucker IMO

 

[W.E.C]

That's true, I meant the heavy metals in the pesticides Pesticides in Pot: A Growing Problem for Marijuana Consumers | Planet Natural

A note: This is a list of violators for the regulated grow industry; imagine what the unregulated industry is using.

this impact is multiplied when the type of use is a concentrate like a dab pen, vape, oil, etc

Holy crap, now I’m skeeered to by street tomatoes and corn on the cob now.

 

[FalArAk]

For the life of me I cant figure out why free thinking people celebrate alcohol and demonize marijuana.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

For the life of me I cant figure out why free thinking people celebrate alcohol and demonize marijuana.

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