I don't understand why sealing the boarders doesn't seem to concern Bush. Anyone care to elaborate?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/28/bonner.retirement/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/28/bonner.retirement/index.html
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derek said:
I can't say I am any sort of a fan of these minute men. They lack the training, equipment, numbers, tactics, and commitment to be anything other than a public relations magnet, and a self-absorbed one at that.
derek said:
Right up until the watchers start tripping the underground sensors, mucking up the carefully groomed drag-trails, and making the work of the Border Patrol that much more difficult.
If you were on the front lines of battle as a Marine, would you want a raggedy band of civilian wannabes getting in _your_ way?
The job isn't getting done. If it takes a bunch of gung ho Americans to donate their time and cut down illegal crossings in a 20 mile stretch from 800 a day to 13 a day, I say more power to them.
This quote says it all.
It obviously was working.
This quote says it all.
It obviously was working.
I have litterally watched illegals being escorted to a car first hand. They pay to get helped across the boarder and to have a used car waiting for them. Had I gotten in the way, who knows what would have happened to me. The "gentlemen" that were escorting the family didn't exactly look friendly.
Cross-X said:
I don't blame him. But are the Minutemen vigilantes, or a neighborhood crime watch committee there to observe and report?
JT
derek said:
Yes, but the example you cite is like Boston cops making a big push to cut down on street-level prositution in the Combat Zone. All it does is squeeze the 'tutes to the nearby neighborhoods.
I don't think you believe that the 787 who didn't cross in the Minuteman area just turned around and went home, do you? You are certainly not that naive.
I guess some people don't remember Charles Bronson. That was a vigilante in the popular sense of the word. I know that the liberals wanted to portray them as a cross between him and Barney Fife, but I don't buy it. From everything I've actually seen, (as opposed to totally unsubstantiated assertions by people who were no closer to the Mexican border than San Francisco or DC) the simply sat back, kept their eyes open and phoned in reports to Border Patrol. If I'm going to worry about (or believing) that interfering with the Border Patrol, then I'd probably also worry that Neighborhood Watch accidently sets ott burgler alarms and deluges local police with phony tips, distracting them from real police work.
Ken
Ken
I left work yesterday and went to the bar, this is my first time back on since yesterday.
I don't think the others just threw up their hand. But the people who own land out there are sick and tired of having it trampled and littered constantly from illegals coming over.
It isn't the solution to the problem, but for 20 days, 20 miles of boarder were the most secure they have ever been. It's up to the state and federal goverment to address the issue. And it isn't just about illegals coming in and leeching, it's also a gaping hole for terrorists to enter our country.
I don't think the others just threw up their hand. But the people who own land out there are sick and tired of having it trampled and littered constantly from illegals coming over.
It isn't the solution to the problem, but for 20 days, 20 miles of boarder were the most secure they have ever been. It's up to the state and federal goverment to address the issue. And it isn't just about illegals coming in and leeching, it's also a gaping hole for terrorists to enter our country.
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Nickle said:
Sure, except for Magic Hat or Yeungling. A man has got to have some standards.
Until those other beers arrive, just gimme a Bud.
Cross-X said:
Well, neither do I, but I'll be having a nice cool Labatt's draft at the bar right after work. Friday tradition. Got Guard Drill this weekend. Weapons qualification tomorrow. Don't know if I have to shoot or not, but probably not, unless they've changed my assigned weapon to an M16A2 from my M9 (hopefully not yet), or they've got a pistol range scheduled (not likely, but possible). But then, if they have a Machine Gun range scheduled, and my unit is running it, I'll get tasked, probably as the Range OIC (and I'm an NCO mind you). Otherwise, I'll end up as a Line NCO (Firing Line Safety).
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