Army is back at it in Pheonix...Urban Training, Black Helo's

[xtry51]

Really? So I guess they had no standing army when we showed up? Yes because the battleship Missouri was really just a pleasure craft. Seems if like the 7th fleet sails in you are invaded and occupied. Just saying

Does it matter if they have a standing army? No, it doesn't. All that matters is they cease hostilities against US soil.

 

[goodlife30]

Does it matter if they have a standing army? No, it doesn't. All that matters is they cease hostilities against US soil.

Are you serious? So you defeat an enemy that we fought for four years, that launched a surprise attack against pearl harbor, that we had to beat back island by island and we could trust them to dismantle their army? Wow you have a very nice view of the world. Ask the south Vietnamese how that worked for them.

 

[goodlife30]

Japan surrendered if I recall without an invasion. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.

Who is talking about bombing Mecca? I'm not aware of any terrorists or nations who attack the US hiding in Mecca.

On top of that I'm pretty sure we also firebombed Tokyo. So what is that you were talking about again?

Nowhere did I say we need to specifically target historical monuments. However, if you invade the US and build a tank factory next to one, yes you should expect both to get leveled. Are you saying you wouldn't support bombing of strategic targets just because they were built next to something of significance?

You might want to read your post again. You said level cities without regard to collateral damage. Go ahead and do that and see what happens to the ranks of insurgents. Just repeating what you posted

 

[Rader]

Does it matter if they have a standing army? No, it doesn't. All that matters is they cease hostilities against US soil.

Thats like saying "So what if Iran develops nuclear weapons and delivery systems capable of hitting targets in the US, they aren't attacking us right now so we shouldn't meddle in their business."

We occupied Japan in order to oversea the demiliterization of the country ... So they couldn't attack us or our pacific islands again. A country could choose to violate a treaty any time it's leaders choose.

We should have stayed out of war with Nazi Germany until they attacked US soil?

 

[mav]

Yup they're training to take over US cities ... Oh wait the cities are already filled with Socialist Obama Supporting Leaches ... So why the **** would they need to capture the cities ... There goes that theory.

If you believe all that info wars bullshit, YOU ARE A MOONBAT.

You have a fairly limited imagination to go with your complete lack of insight into military operations. How about Special Forces training to insert and eliminate "terrorist" threats in modern urban domestic environments. The Pentagon considers Tea Party and Pro-2A members domestic terrorists. How far a stretch is it to imagine under the guise of Homeland Security, a SEAL team, Delta Force, or a Special Forces A team being used to eliminate domestic insurgents?

Were you paying attention to Watertown? 2 domestic terrorists with a couple of home-made pressure cooker bombs and a single Glock brought the Greater Boston Metro to a standstill. 1 dead terrorist and 1 injured terrorist for 1 dead LEO and 1 injured LEO. All while thousands of local, state and federal LEO occupied the area.

You think the government can't do an after action analysis of the outcome? You think the analysts at DHS and FBI aren't looking at the the numbers and extrapolating what happens when 5 or 10 or 20 heavily armed individuals with military training decide to take the fight to .gov? All of a sudden, SF kill teams become much more palatable than local SWAT... especially under the guise of the Patriot Act.

 

[goodlife30]

Thats like saying "So what if Iran develops nuclear weapons and delivery systems capable of hitting targets in the US, they aren't attacking us right now so we shouldn't meddle in their business."

We occupied Japan in order to oversea the demiliterization of the country ... So they couldn't attack us or our pacific islands again. A country could choose to violate a treaty any time it's leaders choose.

We should have stayed out of war with Nazi Germany until they attacked US soil?

Apparantly. Ask Europe how it turned out with post wwi Germany.

 

[crazymjb]

You have a fairly limited imagination to go with your complete lack of insight into military operations. How about Special Forces training to insert and eliminate "terrorist" threats in modern urban domestic environments. The Pentagon considers Tea Party and Pro-2A members domestic terrorists. How far a stretch is it to imagine under the guise of Homeland Security, a SEAL team, Delta Force, or a Special Forces A team being used to eliminate domestic insurgents?

Were you paying attention to Watertown? 2 domestic terrorists with a couple of home-made pressure cooker bombs and a single Glock brought the Greater Boston Metro to a standstill. 1 dead terrorist and 1 injured terrorist for 1 dead LEO and 1 injured LEO. All while thousands of local, state and federal LEO occupied the area.

You think the government can't do an after action analysis of the outcome? You think the analysts at DHS and FBI aren't looking at the the numbers and extrapolating what happens when 5 or 10 or 20 heavily armed individuals with military training decide to take the fight to .gov? All of a sudden, SF kill teams become much more palatable than local SWAT... especially under the guise of the Patriot Act.

Yea, except domestic police forces already train for and do that, which isba seperate conversation... the specific examples for which this thread is based is sf training for overseas operations... which I still cant get why people are so butthurt over it.

So thanks for playin.

Mike

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[goodlife30]

Yea, except domestic police forces already train for and do that, which isba seperate conversation... the specific examples for which this thread is based is sf training for overseas operations... which I still cant get why people are so butthurt over it.

So thanks for

Mike

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Well said. Lets just send people directly into a combat zone with no training.

 

[xtry51]

Thats like saying "So what if Iran develops nuclear weapons and delivery systems capable of hitting targets in the US, they aren't attacking us right now so we shouldn't meddle in their business."

We occupied Japan in order to oversea the demiliterization of the country ... So they couldn't attack us or our pacific islands again. A country could choose to violate a treaty any time it's leaders choose.

We should have stayed out of war with Nazi Germany until they attacked US soil?

You are aware there are plenty of other countries that hate us who have nuclear weapons already right? Pakistan anyone? You know that country that was harboring Bin Laden.

My position is to stop being paranoid about other countries attacking us and stop building bases in or around their countries. There is no current need for troops to be stationed in or preparing to deploy to foreign urban cities.

Also I don't care if Iran has nuclear weapons. If we weren't threatening them daily for the past twenty years they probably wouldn't care about us either.

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You might want to read your post again. You said level cities without regard to collateral damage. Go ahead and do that and see what happens to the ranks of insurgents. Just repeating what you posted

I said targeting military and industrial sites. If those sites are in population centers or near monuments is not important to me. Their citizens should think about that before they attack the US.

Note all of my scenarios involve actually being attacked before acting.

The founders made a huge mistake allowing a standing army. Those who warned against it are proven correct by our inability to keep our dick in our pants.

 

[goodlife30]

You are aware there are plenty of other countries that hate us who have nuclear weapons already right? Pakistan anyone? You know that country that was harboring Bin Laden.

My position is to stop being paranoid about other countries attacking us and stop building bases in or around their countries. There is no current need for troops to be stationed in or preparing to deploy to foreign urban cities.

Also I don't care if Iran has nuclear weapons. If we weren't threatening them daily for the past twenty years they probably wouldn't care about us either.

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No need to be prepared to deploy to cities. What about Kabul, Kandahar? What are you talking about? Looking pretty damn urban to me

 

[not new guy]

Thats like saying "So what if Iran develops nuclear weapons and delivery systems capable of hitting targets in the US, they aren't attacking us right now so we shouldn't meddle in their business."

We occupied Japan in order to oversea the demiliterization of the country ... So they couldn't attack us or our pacific islands again. A country could choose to violate a treaty any time it's leaders choose.

We should have stayed out of war with Nazi Germany until they attacked US soil?

We went to war with Germany to aid our allies. Japan had of course already attacked us. Do you support a US war with Iran if it's proven that they have weaponized nukes? Do you propose going to war with and subsequently occupying any country that poses a military threat of any magnitude to the US?

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No need to be prepared to deploy to cities. What about Kabul, Kandahar? What are you talking about? Looking pretty damn urban to me

Do you think all of our troops deployed to those cities were given live action training in major US cities before being sent over? Do you think they should have been?

 

[xtry51]

We should not be in Aghanistan right now period. We should have left the minute we knew Bin laden had fled to Pakistan. That would be about one week after we decided to invade, if not sooner. Their is one single reason we stayed in. That reason is a nice little pipeline that got built rather quickly after we took over.

We don't need troops in, or ready to be in, Kabul or Kandahar.

 

[goodlife30]

You are aware there are plenty of other countries that hate us who have nuclear weapons already right? Pakistan anyone? You know that country that was harboring Bin Laden.

My position is to stop being paranoid about other countries attacking us and stop building bases in or around their countries. There is no current need for troops to be stationed in or preparing to deploy to foreign urban cities.

Also I don't care if Iran has nuclear weapons. If we weren't threatening them daily for the past twenty years they probably wouldn't care about us either.

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I said targeting military and industrial sites. If those sites are in population centers or near monuments is not important to me. Their citizens should think about that before they attack the US.

Note all of my scenarios involve actually being attacked before acting.

The founders made a huge mistake allowing a standing army. Those who warned against it are proven correct by our inability to keep our dick in our pants.

Not all citizens are part of the regime that attack us. But doing stupid shit like your advocating will make them insurgents we will have to fight.

 

[xtry51]

Not all citizens are part of the regime that attack us. But doing stupid shit like your advocating will make them insurgents we will have to fight.

So you think the way we've conducted every single war since WWI is wrong? Because in every conflict since then we've attacked civilians.

 

[Boghog1]

Well said. Lets just send people directly into a combat zone with no training.

nice straw man

 

[goodlife30]

So you think the way we've conducted every single war since WWI is wrong? Because in every conflict since then we've attacked civilians.

You are the one that mentioned leveling cities without regard to collateral damage. Bombing cultural icons will not defeat an enemy but will embolden them. That's why the imperial palace in Japan was never bombed nor are religious sites unless they are used for military purposes. What do you think people are going to do when you try and destroy their culture?? Love you or fight you?

 

[not new guy]

You are the one that mentioned leveling cities without regard to collateral damage. Bombing cultural icons will not defeat an enemy but will embolden them. That's why the imperial palace in Japan was never bombed nor are religious sites unless they are used for military purposes. What do you think people are going to do when you try and destroy their culture?? Love you or fight you?

So you think they'll appreciate having foreign soldiers stationed in their town indefinitely instead? Tell you what, if I was in the ME and had lived the past 10 years with American soldiers occupying my town I'd be pretty pissed off at them too by now.

 

[xtry51]

So you think they'll appreciate having foreign soldiers stationed in their town indefinitely instead? Tell you what, if I was in the ME and had lived the past 10 years with American soldiers occupying my town I'd be pretty pissed off at them too by now.

Exactly.

 

[goodlife30]

So you think they'll appreciate having foreign soldiers stationed in their town indefinitely instead? Tell you what, if I was in the ME and had lived the past 10 years with American soldiers occupying my town I'd be pretty pissed off at them too by now.

Ok so we won't occupy towns cause if might hurt people's feelings.

 

[not new guy]

Ok so we won't occupy towns cause if might hurt people's feelings.

Wait... what?

 

[xtry51]

Ok so we won't occupy towns cause if might hurt people's feelings.

I don't even know what this means. Seriously. Do you even have a definable position here?

 

[not new guy]

I think he's arguing for sending US troops off on more foreign occupations. Winning the world's hearts and minds and all that.


This subject always makes me think of this video:

 

[xtry51]

I think he's arguing for sending US troops off on more foreign occupations. Winning the world's hearts and minds and all that.

That's what it seems like to me. Apparently he thinks the problem is we don't have enough troops stationed in enough foreign countries and that's why people hate America.

 

[goodlife30]

I don't even know what this means. Seriously. Do you even have a definable position here?

Easy answer. Read previous posts.

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That's what it seems like to me. Apparently he thinks the problem is we don't have enough troops stationed in enough foreign countries and that's why people hate America.

Of course if that's what you wanna believe. I also drive a black helo on the weekend

 

[xtry51]

Easy answer. Read previous posts.

I tried. You said you don't support my position because it creates insurgency, then told us we need to keep occupying countries because that won't create insurgency.

Your position does not make sense.

 

[BattleSnail]

Find me the history of the US military "training" right inside US cities as a common occurrence up until say ten years ago.

yeah but it's fine cuz terrorism.

 

[Dench]

They've already got places to train for urban warfare..which I'm pretty sure are already paid for:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41258569/
http://www.mutc.in.ng.mil/

mutc is sick. I've done training there. Awesome place.

 

[goodlife30]

I tried. You said you don't support my position because it creates insurgency, then told us we need to keep occupying countries because that won't create insurgency.

Your position does not make sense.

No you advocated leveling cities irregardless of collateral damage that was your position. Blasting away cultural icons creates an insurgency. I also stated that the Air Force and navy cannot bomb a city into submission. It needs to be occupied to control it. I answered this question several times already.

Read your posts and your history.

 

[not new guy]

No you advocated leveling cities irregardless of collateral damage that was your position. Blasting away cultural icons creates an insurgency. I also stated that the Air Force and navy cannot bomb a city into submission. It needs to be occupied to control it. I answered this question several times already.

Read your posts and your history.

Who said anything about controlling foreign cities? That's the point that you keep missing.

 

[Hiltonizer]