Are there any counties in MA who are seriously considering voting to become 2A sanctuary counties?

Status
Not open for further replies.

C. Stockwell

NES Member
Rating - 100%
1   0   0
Joined
Dec 12, 2018
Messages
3,572
Likes
4,488
Location
RI
The County was originally designed in New England, to allow a farmer in a wagon to get to a higher-than-town-level-of-government and back home, in a day.

In many parts of the country, there is "empty space" (unincorporated land) between towns, and since a local PD's jurisdiction was pretty much to the town line ( I know that's changed), having a Sheriff that could patrol in no-cop's-land made sense. In Mass, and there's no unincorporated land, so Sheriff is a vestigial office, and counties are for registration of Deeds - and with the increasing computerization of records, that will likely fade.
This is tangential but related to OP's point.

Counties in New England are collections of towns for administrative and "keeping government local" purposes. Counties in other states were either created before the municipalities or encompass a municipal hub surrounded by unincorporated land, which was what @Picton was talking about. Southern counties in states like VA and GA have county seat municipalities surrounded by relatively rural, empty land.

Mass created counties first in 1643 as a way to organize the early towns surrounding Massachusetts Bay. The coastal counties of Essex, Middlesex, Suffolk, and Norfolk were named after reminiscent counties in coastal England. Plymouth, Bristol, and Barnstable were subdivisions of the original Plymouth Colony. Nantucket and Dukes counties came into Mass after the Glorious Revolution when Mass received the islands from NY during an administrative reshuffling of the colonies. Western Mass counties came along around the time of the Revolution or right after and were subdivisions of Hampshire County (again, named after a coastal region of England).

Another good example is Rhode Island. RI has five counties and each county mirrors specific land acquisitions by RI settlers. Providence County is Roger Williams' original purchase from the Narragansett plus some extra towns like Cumberland, East Providence, parts of Pawtucket, and a clearly delineated boundary with Connecticut. Kent County is Samuel Gorton's purchase. Washington County is land seized after King Phillip's War that was vacant after being depopulated during the war. Newport County is a combination of Aquidneck Island, purchased from the natives in the 1600s, and the two towns of Little Compton and Tiverton, which came over to RI from Mass in 1747. Bristol County is entirely land that came from Mass in 1747, awarded to RI by King George II.

RI used to have the state government rotate to each county seat every year to keep government close to the people. There was also the added benefit that state legislators didn't get paid, but did have free food and lodging when in session. So basically a miniature legislative booze cruise. In the mid-1800s, this just went to rotating between Newport and Providence until the state government figured out that having a state house in Providence was cheaper and easier than everyone having to take a ferry to Newport when in session there. That's why each county seat in RI (Providence, Warwick, South Kingstown, Newport, and Bristol) has an "Old State House."

Old Colony House - Wikipedia

Kent County Courthouse (Rhode Island) - Wikipedia

The Bristol Statehouse Foundation

http://www.preservation.ri.gov/pdfs_zips_downloads/survey_pdfs/south_kingstown.pdf

Old State House (Providence, Rhode Island) - Wikipedia

Also keep in mind that New England had different patterns of land settlement than other colonies and states. In most New England states, the towns came first except for the very final periods of settlement in 1820-1850. The counties were created after the towns were incorporated, again, to keep the county seat (meaning courthouse, etc.) local. In other states that were laid out on grid patterns, like, say Kansas, the counties came first and then people filled in the empty spaces afterwards. Other states were planned creations unlike in New England, where the people came first and typically not in an organized pattern until after King Phillip's War depopulated the natives out of Southern New England.

There's also something to be said about the role of the sheriff in New England. Because of corruption within the sheriffs' domains, perceived or real, CT and RI disbanded the sheriffs or made them into state employees. Mass has elected sheriffs but these guys are mainly process servers and deal with prisoner transport, like what RI does (RI sheriffs are entirely a prisoner transport and courtroom security force). VT, NH, and Maine still have large amounts of sparsely populated areas that either are under-served or not served by town and city police, so sheriffs up there still patrol and do what most Americans would think sheriffs do.
 
Last edited:
Rating - 100%
7   0   0
Joined
Sep 18, 2010
Messages
22,425
Likes
13,630
Location
Suckachusetts
Those blue areas contain the overwhelming majority of the population of the state, though.

Having grown up in NJ and now living in MA, I'll take MA's gun laws over NJ's any day. At least it's possible to get an unrestricted carry license in most cities and towns in MA. IIRC NJ has about 3,000 carry licenses issued across the entire state and nearly all of them belong to retired LE.
NJ blows. I lived there for a year and couldnt wait to leave, and I lived in the nice area, west near PA.

It is full of NY people there with their sh*tty NY attitudes. They didnt want people hunting bears, then they were complaining there were too many bears.

It is too bad, because the area was really nice with mountains and a lot of wildlife.
 
Last edited:

rivet_42

NES Member
Rating - 100%
1   0   0
Joined
Feb 28, 2008
Messages
1,085
Likes
506
that lone NJ county:
It's a township. Township of West Milford. It's not far from where I grew up.

Municipalities in NJ are broken down into townships, cities, towns, villages, and boroughs. It used to be that what the municipality styled itself (e.g. "Township of West Milford" or "Village of Ridgewood") was strictly tied to what form of municipal government it had (mayor + council, city manager, etc.), but those rules have been loosened a bit in recent decades.

There are 21 counties in NJ. State Senators used to be one per county but the so-called "21 Club" (after the famous restaurant in Manhattan) was found to violate the "one person, one vote" principle so NJ state senatorial districts had to be redrawn according to population in, IIRC, the early '70s.
 

M1911

Moderator
Rating - 100%
26   0   0
Joined
Apr 1, 2005
Messages
39,570
Likes
7,761
Location
Near Framingham
Yeah, I guess you're right. I was hoping to light more of a fire under a few asses but it seems they have their minds already made up. It's easy to see how they got where they are.
Many of us have fought the good fight for decades. We know the electoral reality of MA. We also are familiar enough with the MA political system to understand that 1) county government in MA basically just runs the jails, that 2) Sheriff Departments in MA are basically just prison guards, and 3) the MA legislature is overwhelmingly anti-gun Democrat and they faithfully represent their voters.

MA isn’t VA. VA has some moonbats in the East, but they have a long tradition of A strong Republican Party. We don’t.

Sheriffs in MA don’t actually enforce laws. Their deputies rarely arrest anyone except escaped prisoners and maybe rarely assisting on warrant. A MA Sheriff proclaiming that he wouldn’t enforce MA gun laws would be a joke, because that simply isn’t their job.

In MA, policing is done by the State Police and town/city police. Sheriffs departments run the jails, take prisoners to court, and sometimes do road details. They may have a party van (aka a mobile HQ vehicle) a dog team or three, but their bread and butter is running the jail.
 
Last edited:
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
Joined
Jun 1, 2018
Messages
2,656
Likes
9,940
Many of us have fought the good fight for decades.
That statement tells me many of you have given up. Right when the nation is ripe for taking back the country from the criminals in charge. Pity!
You really don’t understand the MA electorate.
It wasn't always like this. I really don't understand why folks in MA are no longer willing to try to take back their government. It seems many of you are willing to accept defeat with open arms, most are among some of the brightest folks here.

Fortunately, I see signs in this thread of some hope. There are posts here that start to explore where the chinks in the government armor might be (posts 62-64 are a couple of example but there are more). Post 61 makes an important point. VA is ORGANIZED in their efforts. That's an important and key requirement. Get organized! Instead of coming here and hanging on a brother's shoulder, talking about how things can't be changed, create a private forum here to bring in like minded members to brainstorm and discuss ways to begin organizing a real challenge against the unconstitutional laws of the state. Begin planning to focus on those chinks in the armor of the leftist government in MA. Tell you friends about it. Tell them to tell their friends. Use the tools at your disposal.

There are ways to do this. Telling each other time and time again it can't be done is definitely not one of them.
 
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
Joined
Jun 1, 2018
Messages
2,656
Likes
9,940
Perhaps this might give some here a bit of motivation!

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...sheriffs-citizens-from-unconstitutional-laws/

It begins: Virginia forms active militia to protect sheriffs, citizens from unconstitutional laws
Posted by Gregory Hoyt | Dec 16, 2019 | Must Reads, News, Editorial, Featured

Things are getting really bad in Virginia. But this group isn’t going down without a fight.


Virginia – Earlier in the week, we reported on how lawmakers over in Virginia were threatening to use the National Guard if members of local law enforcement refused to enforce laws passed in the state that they felt violated the second amendment.
Well, looks like Tazewell County isn’t going down without a fight. On top of calling themselves a second amendment sanctuary county, they’re also crafting a militia as well. The Virginia county has taken the movement that has swept across the state and added an element that is sure to trigger pro gun-grabbing politicians in the state.



Virginia lawmakers threatened to deploy the National Guard if members of law enforcement refused to enforce strict new gun laws. (Defense.gov)


Just this past Tuesday, on December 10th, the Board of Supervisors from Tazewell County passed two different resolutions in light of controversy circling those who are pro-gun. The first resolution declared the county to be a second amendment sanctuary. This is not at all surprising to see, as 76 out of 95 counties, 9 out of 38 independent cities, and 13 towns have adopted second amendment sanctuary resolutions.

The second item on the agenda was the proposition of establishing a militia in the county. When both of the resolutions passed, the crowd cheered loudly in support of the decisions. Also, the resolutions didn’t exactly pass by a small margin; the votes were unanimous, with more than 200 citizens standing by in support.
The motion of the creation of the militia had already succeeded in an unofficial way based on the results of a survey conducted earlier in the month by county officials. But Board Chairman Travis Hackworth said people have persisted to press for the district to declare itself a second amendment sanctuary.



As new measures come to vote, citizens are preparing themselves for a fight. (Keesler Air Force Base)


[email protected]



Caroline County Va Sheriff Tony Lippas comments on 2A. “I know the Sheriff can start a militia if need be.” #2A #Virginia #Constitution #liberty #wehaverights @TuckerCarlson


55

The county is taking their militia element very seriously as the new ordinance calls for concealed weapons training for any resident of the county that can lawfully own a gun.

They’ve also called for schools to adopt firearms safety training programs. Considering the blue wave that hit the state, along with Bloomberg pouring in millions toward the election, this is a massive win that shows gun owners aren’t going to lie down.
And as they’re pushing to ramp up safety and training – officials within the state are trying to get rid of personal defense. And if it’s not bad enough that they’re going after firearms, they’re going after self-defense measures as well.

An amendment to a current law in Virginia has some martial arts companies, as well as some citizens concerned.
Known as SB64, the bill, according to Self Defense Company, would “instantly transform all martial arts instructors into criminal felons.” They also claim that it would criminalize all firearms training classes, including concealed carry classes.
According to SDC, the law would “even criminalize a father teaching his own son how to use a hunting rifle.”
The law, which was initially passed in 1987 relates the following:
A person is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:
  1. Teaches, demonstrates to any other person the use, application or making of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder;
  2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder;
SB 64 adds the following language:
  1. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.
According to the article in Natural News, the language of the bill as written is too wide open to interpretation, especially in a state that appears to be going hard left like Virginia. We recently published a couple of stories on new confiscatory gun laws that are being proposed in the Virginia legislature.

Did you know that Law Enforcement Today has a private new home for those who support emergency responders and veterans? It’s called LET Unity, and it’s where we share the untold stories of those patriotic Americans. Every penny gets reinvested into giving these heroes a voice. Check it out today.



In fact, numerous counties in Virginia and elsewhere have vowed to become so-called “Second Amendment Sanctuaries” (thank you California and other immigration law sanctuaries for the idea) where any laws that counter the Second Amendment would not be enforced.
The fact that this law is being amended, at the same time when new confiscatory gun laws are going to be put forth, gives gun owners reason to be concerned. As always, laws like this will likely be adjudicated in court. As we are painfully aware, that can be a crapshoot. It is inevitable that this new law will somehow be tested via a court case.
One can understand how people might be concerned. For example, the firearms addendum is somewhat vague.




Virginia is going after guns. But these citizens aren’t going down without a fight.


If a person has a license to carry and happens to be with one or two people and they are involved in a counter protest to something like an Antifa or BLM rally, based on this law, the Antifa thugs or BLM participants could say that someone exercising their Second Amendment rights “intimidated” them and that would result in them getting arrested.
The statute is ripe for abuse.
Are some being paranoid? Perhaps. But in 2019, anything goes. All it takes is a social justice warrior wearing a robe and you could easily see why some people are concerned.
Last Thursday, lawmakers in Virginia threatened to deploy the National Guard to enforce the strict gun legislation they’re pushing for if law enforcement officials refuse to do it themselves.
They said, “the law is the law.”
But apparently that’s a double standard in Virginia. Instead of focusing on what is and what isn’t against the law, it seems as though these lawmakers are only pushing to enforce rules that they believe are right.
 

C. Stockwell

NES Member
Rating - 100%
1   0   0
Joined
Dec 12, 2018
Messages
3,572
Likes
4,488
Location
RI
That statement tells me many of you have given up. Right when the nation is ripe for taking back the country from the criminals in charge. Pity!

It wasn't always like this. I really don't understand why folks in MA are no longer willing to try to take back their government. It seems many of you are willing to accept defeat with open arms, most are among some of the brightest folks here.

Fortunately, I see signs in this thread of some hope. There are posts here that start to explore where the chinks in the government armor might be (posts 62-64 are a couple of example but there are more). Post 61 makes an important point. VA is ORGANIZED in their efforts. That's an important and key requirement. Get organized! Instead of coming here and hanging on a brother's shoulder, talking about how things can't be changed, create a private forum here to bring in like minded members to brainstorm and discuss ways to begin organizing a real challenge against the unconstitutional laws of the state. Begin planning to focus on those chinks in the armor of the leftist government in MA. Tell you friends about it. Tell them to tell their friends. Use the tools at your disposal.

There are ways to do this. Telling each other time and time again it can't be done is definitely not one of them.
I get where you're coming from. Here's the three major problems that you're dealing with and underestimating:

1) These 2A Sanctuary resolutions are largely toothless and unproven. What they are is a form of right wing virtue signalling and when used correctly, as a middle finger to antis. Note that I didn't say Democrats, I said antis, because when you're talking about state politics you're talking about a very small crowd of people who might actually be very helpful despite their party. These resolutions amount to saying "Town/County X will not enforce unconstitutional gun laws." But they don't define what an unconstitutional gun law is. Are they insinuating that they won't enforce any gun laws at all, under a "all gun laws are an infringement" theory? No. Are they going to pick and chose what laws they enforce against the defendants they don't like? Probably. For example, I haven't heard about any towns in RI that have enacted one of these resolutions (19/38 towns) but that have simply stopped enforcing all Rhode Island gun laws. The towns aren't saying "no carry permits needed folks, open carry away!" Which brings me to point number two.

2) These resolutions are a form of indicating willful civil disobedience to a specific threat. In RI, it was how every year, 30+ anti bills get submitted by a clique of progressives and how the Governor panders to a bunch of astroturfed organizations to increase her popularity with the hard left and groups external to RI, e.g. Bloomberg. In VA, the threat is a much more serious one. While Mass does face issues with specific bills like the doctors asking about guns bill and Maura Healey's 7/11 edict, Mass gun owners aren't facing outright confiscation like people in VA are. Yet. Once that threat comes, expect to see people change their tunes from pessimism to being more open to new ideas. Maybe 2A Sanctuaries, maybe other ideas.

3) If this is something you're convinced you want to see happen, as other people and myself have said, go get this started at your town level. What I'm saying is go talk to your town selectmen and get them on board. I'm not joking or being superfluous when I say that the idea spread like wildfire in RI once Burrillville passed its resolution. Getting 19 towns in RI to do the same thing within a few months is pretty damned impressive. You literally need one town in Mass to get media attention (talk to the Globe or your local paper if this gets to a vote). People really underestimate how small town politics are. Can you get ten to twenty people in a room to all talk about one message? If so, you've probably already won one town over to your side if its a small enough town. If you can get 100 people in a room together, you're going to be doing fine.
 
Rating - 100%
10   0   0
Joined
Jul 1, 2012
Messages
3,177
Likes
1,877
Location
Portland, ME
Yeah, maybe you're right. The situation is hopeless!

Carry on folks!
One of the biggest issues is not the spread of like minded people, it's the available resources of those people.

Those who are maddest about this stuff and want to fight it are also the same people who work the hardest and have the least amount of free time to take up politics as an entertainer.

I wanted to go to some Goal events and protests when I lived in MA. But I didn't have the ability to just vanish from work or home for the 8 hours it would have taken. I don't have time to go to sit in on political town meetings.

What I do have is the ability to tap out things on my phone while pooping.

And that is pretty much what we need. A method of being involved in the dialogue with the barrier to entry tapping things out on our phones when we have 30 seconds.

Hmmm. As much as I have to say it, Facebook does sort of have the potential to turn into that platform.

Look how well it has worked for the other side?
 
  • Haha
Reactions: TLB
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
Joined
Jun 1, 2018
Messages
2,656
Likes
9,940
One of the biggest issues is not the spread of like minded people, it's the available resources of those people.

Those who are maddest about this stuff and want to fight it are also the same people who work the hardest and have the least amount of free time to take up politics as an entertainer.

I wanted to go to some Goal events and protests when I lived in MA. But I didn't have the ability to just vanish from work or home for the 8 hours it would have taken. I don't have time to go to sit in on political town meetings.

What I do have is the ability to tap out things on my phone while pooping.

And that is pretty much what we need. A method of being involved in the dialogue with the barrier to entry tapping things out on our phones when we have 30 seconds.

Hmmm. As much as I have to say it, Facebook does sort of have the potential to turn into that platform.

Look how well it has worked for the other side?
How do the people in VA find the time? How did people in RI find the time to push back? How do the people in PA find the time to push back on over reach? (PA's AG says 80% receivers are firearms...) If there's a will, there's a way!

With all due respect and no offense meant to the good people here....please stop giving me excuses why it 'can't be done' and start thinking of ways to get it started.
 

C. Stockwell

NES Member
Rating - 100%
1   0   0
Joined
Dec 12, 2018
Messages
3,572
Likes
4,488
Location
RI
And that is pretty much what we need. A method of being involved in the dialogue with the barrier to entry tapping things out on our phones when we have 30 seconds.

Hmmm. As much as I have to say it, Facebook does sort of have the potential to turn into that platform.

Look how well it has worked for the other side?
The RI 2A Sanctuary movement was coordinated on Facebook by a guy who I went to high school with that works at Electric Boat.
 
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Joined
Jul 19, 2010
Messages
886
Likes
210
Location
Berkshires, MA - in the woods
What is interesting about this map is that I am sitting in the middle of that conservative belt in Central Mass. Ya right. If the the people around me are considered conservative, I can't even begin to imagine how crazy everyone located in the blue areas are. Pete
I am in the mountains, border of Zones 1 & 2 in northwest MA - I think the reason we are painted light blue is that there weren't any conservatives running to challenge the dingbats last election

I think the only anti-gun asshat in the area lives across the road from me. lol
 

drgrant

Moderator
NES Member
Rating - 100%
59   0   0
Joined
Mar 21, 2006
Messages
70,260
Likes
30,508
We just don't have minority that's pissed off enough and willing to go for it. But def have enough people though.
Depends on what you mean by "enough" and for "what" purpose. If we're talking a political paradigm shift through elections (eg, actually accreting political power) then no way, not nearly
enough. Even though there are 300-400K LTC holders in MA most of them are either fudds, liberals, or just plain lazy. I am pretty sure apathy is almost a cultural thing in this
state regardless of political affiliation. (the MA fgt townie bullshit in this state is retarded, even among gun owners) On the other hand you look at something like Comm2A vs its support base and the amount of damage its done with only so many people and resources and its a huge force multiplier. Maybe we can start suing antis for other reasons beyond 2A.....

Whatever plausible strategies exist, it's obvious that "trying to go in the front door" in MA clearly doesn't work. Legislatively there are way too many barriers, and the legislature is way too
corrupt. Wallhacks and "4D chess" are really the only way to win freedom here, if we're not going to the bullet box.

-Mike
 

Picton

NES Member
Rating - 100%
25   0   0
Joined
Sep 17, 2012
Messages
10,361
Likes
9,263
Location
MA
How do the people in VA find the time? How did people in RI find the time to push back? How do the people in PA find the time to push back on over reach? (PA's AG says 80% receivers are firearms...) If there's a will, there's a way!

With all due respect and no offense meant to the good people here....please stop giving me excuses why it 'can't be done' and start thinking of ways to get it started.
You seem to want to be our leader.

Come on back and git ‘er done. That’ll be a mile you’ve walked in current MA residents’ shoes. Maybe then you’ll be qualified to wag your finger at us.
 

M1911

Moderator
Rating - 100%
26   0   0
Joined
Apr 1, 2005
Messages
39,570
Likes
7,761
Location
Near Framingham
It wasn't always like this. I really don't understand why folks in MA are no longer willing to try to take back their government. It seems many of you are willing to accept defeat with open arms, most are among some of the brightest folks here.
Oh, FFS. You are stubbornly choosing to ignore reality. Many of us have been to Beacon Hill many times over the years. We've spoken to legislators and their aides. We've given testimony at committee meetings. We've volunteered on campaigns. We've raised funds for pro-gun candidates. We've been in the trenches. You haven't. We know what is possible and what is not. You think that what is possible in VA is possible in MA, but it simply isn't.

Let's take a look at the composition of the MA legislature in 1991: Senate: 24D, 16R. House: 123D, 37R.

What is the composition today? Senate: 34D, 6R. House: 127D, 32R, 1I.

The reality is that the Democrats have a veto-proof majority in both the MA House and the Senate. They can pass any damn law they want and even if Baker had the guts to veto it, they would roll right over him and override his veto. The leaders of the House (Speaker De Leo) and Senate (President Spilka) control their houses -- nothing comes to a vote without their approval. Both leaders are very, very anti-gun. If those leaders want an anti-gun bill passed, it will pass.

The reality is that we have no support on Beacon Hill. You may not like it, but ignoring that reality won't make what you want happen.

Now, let's look at the composition of the VA legislature: Senate: 21D, 19R. House: 55D, 45R. So the VA legislature is almost evenly split between the parties, whereas the MA legislature is overwhelmingly Democrat. Do you understand how that changes the political dynamic? If the VA Senate President loses just a single one of the Democrats, then they don't get their bill passed.

The composition of the MA legislature accurately represents the will of the people. The vast majority of MA voters are liberal and anti-gun. The composition of the VA legislature clearly indicates that the same simply isn't true for VA, which is why the politics around guns are very different in VA than they are in MA: the voters in VA are different from the voters in MA.

Now, getting back to your original suggestion, why we can't have sanctuary counties in MA, we've already covered that. It isn't "giving up" to point out that Sheriffs in MA don't enforce laws --they simply don't. In most states, many parts of the counties are unincorporated or they are incorporated but don't have a town police force. As a result, in those states, much or most of the policing is done by the Sheriffs Department and the Sheriff is elected. That isn't the case here in MA. There are no unincorporated areas in MA -- every bit of land is part of a town. Almost all of the towns have their own police force. The towns in MA that don't have their own police force are patrolled by the MA State Police. So Sheriff's Deputies don't go on patrol, make traffic stops, make an arrest, etc. So even if a MA Sheriff wanted to declare his county a gun sanctuary and say that they wouldn't enforce gun laws, that would have no impact BECAUSE THEY DON'T ENFORCE LAWS!

Feel free to try to prove me wrong. Go to your county sheriff's office and ask to meet with the Sheriff. Ask them to declare your county a gun sanctuary. Then go to your town police chief and ask him the same thing.

The only hope for MA lies in SCOTUS and that is a long shot at best.
 
Last edited:

rivet_42

NES Member
Rating - 100%
1   0   0
Joined
Feb 28, 2008
Messages
1,085
Likes
506
It wasn't always like this. I really don't understand why folks in MA are no longer willing to try to take back their government.
I think a lot of the ones who were willing voted with their feet and moved to NH instead. Moving to an adjacent, freer state isn't as much of an option in Virginia. Or in New Jersey. Especially if you want to commute to the nearest big city where well-paying jobs are available.
 
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
Joined
Jun 1, 2018
Messages
2,656
Likes
9,940
I guess I was wrong. Good luck but don't expect anyone from outside MA to sympathize with y'all. You don't even want to help yourselves. This site is full of whiners and woe is me'ers. I tried and my conscience is clear. Good luck one and all. I'm done with you. You Massachusetts people disgust me. You get what you earn! Don't blame me!
You seem to want to be our leader.

Come on back and git ‘er done. That’ll be a mile you’ve walked in current MA residents’ shoes. Maybe then you’ll be qualified to wag your finger at us.
 

Dench

NES Member
Rating - 100%
99   0   0
Joined
Mar 24, 2008
Messages
17,151
Likes
5,624
Take a look at this map of the 2016 Trump vs. Clinton voting districts:



I don't think you are going to carve an entire county out of this. A town or two? Perhaps, but it would take some huge cajones and a very strong support base to weather the resulting storm of protest if any one town declared itself a gun sanctuary. By this map, I'm in a solid 'red' north central town in terms of politics (green for LTC).

I think some of the south coast light blue districts must be blue because of one or two larger cities or towns, because I saw more Trump signs than almost anywhere. Of course many of the districts are clearly red. Note all the moonbat districts in western Mass, and of course the moonbat horde engulfing the Boston metro.
Who said Trump voters are pro 2A?
 

Picton

NES Member
Rating - 100%
25   0   0
Joined
Sep 17, 2012
Messages
10,361
Likes
9,263
Location
MA
I guess I was wrong. Good luck but don't expect anyone from outside MA to sympathize with y'all. You don't even want to help yourselves. This site is full of whiners and woe is me'ers. I tried and my conscience is clear. Good luck one and all. I'm done with you.
No, I don't accept that.

You started a thread in which you proposed unrealistic ideas concerning a state whose government you're clearly ignorant about. When educated by those of us who know, you doubled down and REPEATEDLY posted some variation on "well, I didn't realize you were all such pussies, but c'mon, boys! Get it together!"

When we further educated you, you decided to start insulting us. We, naturally, wondered WTF you started the thread for.

You don't get to be butthurt and self-righteous here. This thread was a bad idea from the start, and your failure to recognize that isn't anyone else's fault but yours. Search NES and you'll find about 14,000 similar threads; they all end about the same way.

You made a mistake here. Own it.
 
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
Joined
Jun 1, 2018
Messages
2,656
Likes
9,940
No, I don't accept that.

You started a thread in which you proposed unrealistic ideas concerning a state whose government you're clearly ignorant about. When educated by those of us who know, you doubled down and REPEATEDLY posted some variation on "well, I didn't realize you were all such pussies, but c'mon, boys! Get it together!"

When we further educated you, you decided to start insulting us. We, naturally, wondered WTF you started the thread for.

You don't get to be butthurt and self-righteous here. This thread was a bad idea from the start, and your failure to recognize that isn't anyone else's fault but yours. Search NES and you'll find about 14,000 similar threads; they all end about the same way.

You made a mistake here. Own it.
Yep, my fault! the more things change the more they stay the same. You people are pathetic!
 

Brewer

NES Life Member
NES Member
Rating - 100%
12   0   0
Joined
Nov 14, 2017
Messages
1,490
Likes
3,030
Location
Erebor refugee in Mass
So you want to either be the cheerleader we've all been yearning for who tips us into action and the new 2A golden age in Mass

-- or --

I guess I was wrong. Good luck but don't expect anyone from outside MA to sympathize with y'all. You don't even want to help yourselves. This site is full of whiners and woe is me'ers. I tried and my conscience is clear. Good luck one and all. I'm done with you. You Massachusetts people disgust me. You get what you earn! Don't blame me!
Yep, my fault! the more things change the more they stay the same. You people are pathetic!
As if there's no in-between position. Your fickle 48 hours of support since starting this thread reflects the kind of supporters you expect us to be, just like a micro-managing supervisor is projecting his own laziness as he tries to whip others into action at every moment. The very existence of GOAL and Comm2A, along with all their donors, should be evidence enough that we're at work. The legislative imbalance speaks for itself. You came in swinging not even understanding the lack of county-level government here.

No, I don't accept that.

You started a thread in which you proposed unrealistic ideas concerning a state whose government you're clearly ignorant about. When educated by those of us who know, you doubled down and REPEATEDLY posted some variation on "well, I didn't realize you were all such pussies, but c'mon, boys! Get it together!"

When we further educated you, you decided to start insulting us. We, naturally, wondered WTF you started the thread for.

You don't get to be butthurt and self-righteous here. This thread was a bad idea from the start, and your failure to recognize that isn't anyone else's fault but yours. Search NES and you'll find about 14,000 similar threads; they all end about the same way.

You made a mistake here. Own it.
Bingo. I see your intentions are good. Just be man enough to say, "Crap, I spoke without really knowing," rather than doubling and tripling down. Happens to us all at some point.
 
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
Joined
Jun 1, 2018
Messages
2,656
Likes
9,940
You folks will remain in your hole forever. You haven't got the guts to think past working yourselves out of it. Keep telling yourselves the oldgunner is an a**h*** and doesn't know what he's talking about. Maybe that will sooth your pain. Blame your hopelessness on me. I have big shoulders!

Some of you are really a hateful bunch and have earned the label Ma**h***s.

I DO regret starting this thread although I hope it's helped some of you think outside the box.

To the haters I have but one word....Pathetic!!! Good luck wallowing in your misery! To everyone else, don't give up! Keep finding ways to fight back!
 
Last edited:
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
Joined
Jun 1, 2018
Messages
2,656
Likes
9,940
Please re-read thread.
I've read every post! I tried, I really did. I got back a lot of hate. Sadly, that seems to be typical for many MA folks. They hate so much that's all they have. Worry not, I'm done putting any pressure on anyone here. I've received the message loud and clear.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom