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tl;dr The system is rigged to make people say, "reading this makes me not even want to attempt it."Basically better off just overpaying for someone else’s $700-800 AR?
Probably 100% true . I read a post and decided I didn’t wanna get into any legal situations . I paid $1200 for a $700 AR not too long ago.tl;dr The system is rigged to make people say, "reading this makes me not even want to attempt it."
What I meant was after you get into the nuts and bolts of whats legal and whats not legal and how to go about owning firearms in MA without being jammed up, a lot of people throw up their hands and give up, which is exactly what the system is designed to do. Basically...
-people with money can buy an AR thats ridiculously over priced (due to forces exerted on the market by government) and not care much because they have the money to buy and not care much.
-poor(er) people can find ways to wriggle themselves into AR ownership and maybe not get jammed up and end up in jail and/or a pp.
-people in both camps say "f*ck it, it isnt worth it" and thats one less guy with a rifle walking around.
Gov doesnt like other people having rifles. It especially doesnt like the smelly commoners having rifles. The system is rigged to make it as hard as possible for the non-anointed ones to own what the government sees as a possible threat. (all of the above applies to mg's as well) Compare the number of people killed by handguns every year to the number killed by rifles and tell me why the gov makes such a stink over rifles and pretty much ignores crimes committed with handguns.
No idea where to even get a pre 7-20 lower .if you have a pre 7-20-16 lower, just build it and don't ask/don't tell
But you can't fa10 it when your done can you?No idea where to even get a pre 7-20 lower .
I got into guns not long before Sandy Hook and started accumulating parts for an AR build around that time. I dont even want to know what the cost was, lol.Probably 100% true . I read a post and decided I didn’t wanna get into any legal situations . I paid $1200 for a $700 AR not too long ago.
Total retard information being put out here.
Possible if they registered it pre 7-20 - even if it wasn't completed. Fiding one is another story all together.No idea where to even get a pre 7-20 lower .
How can you register a lower without a barrel or unable to shoot a projectile ?Possible if they registered it pre 7-20 - even if it wasn't completed. Fiding one is another story all together.
How can toy register a lower without a barrel or unable to shoot a projectile ?
I don't think that's a charge in MA, is it?If you get caught with it you can be charged with possession of an unregistered firearm
Can you show me ?And yet, according to our feckless AG, you must...
There is a letter from the AGs office stating otherwise. They do say keep proof that you had it. I say prove that I didn't.Possible if they registered it pre 7-20 - even if it wasn't completed. Fiding one is another story all together.
Can you show me ?
No. We're not. Registration, insofar as it exits, applies to devices that are capable of firing a shot.I'm mobile only today so I won't be able to look up a cite, but anecdotally, we're required to "register" stripped lowers. Typically, those have no barrels and would be hard put to fire a round other than possibly by hammering it with the lower.
What proof? I've never gotten a confirmation/copy of a 4473 in my life. Maybe a sales receipt that most of us forget in our pockets, put them through the wash a few times, and finally throw out with McDonald's slips? If the state wants proof, they've gotta do the leg work.There is a letter from the AGs office stating otherwise. They do say keep proof that you had it. I say prove that I didn't.
There is a letter from the AGs office stating otherwise. They do say keep proof that you had it. I say prove that I didn't.
How can you register a lower without a barrel or unable to shoot a projectile ?
I don't think that's a charge in MA, is it?
This thread is a dumpster fire.
There is what the law says.
There is what the AG has interpreted.
Since they don't align, There is a court case or 2.
Check the FAQ and do (or not do) what you want. No one can say what is legal vs illegal when the law is not the law and we are being ruled by FAQ.
I've seen cases where they FORGED data (bbl length, caliber, etc.) on the FA-10 for a striped lower. The "system" wouldn't know the difference.
I've been told of cases where people put 0" bbl and random info for caliber. Many years ago FRB was pulling out those forms and trashing them as inappropriate for the database (this was when a staff member had to hand-scan the forms to the database). When staffing was reduced, they just scanned everything and let them thru. Now that it is electronic, there are no checks and balances for that sort of misinformation and thus they are added to the database. This info was told to me by the Director of FRB at the time
So, since were hypothetically talking about inaccurate data on the efa system, what happens if you put a 20" barrel on a lower that was hastily registered as a 16" back on 7/20?
What happens if you have a dozen uppers in different calibers and barrel lengths? Probably nothing.So, since were hypothetically talking about inaccurate data on the efa system, what happens if you put a 20" barrel on a lower that was hastily registered as a 16" back on 7/20?
So, since were hypothetically talking about inaccurate data on the efa system, what happens if you put a 20" barrel on a lower that was hastily registered as a 16" back on 7/20?
What happens if you have a dozen uppers in different calibers and barrel lengths? Probably nothing.
No idea where to even get a pre 7-20 lower .