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Must be one of those "homing guns".So funny- FedEx moves my rifle in a spiral around MA.
I really expected it to go to MA from NH, but, no, it went to CT.
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Must be one of those "homing guns".So funny- FedEx moves my rifle in a spiral around MA.
I really expected it to go to MA from NH, but, no, it went to CT.
What ammo were you using? My Bergara really loves the Hornady Match 6.5 Creedmoor Ammo 140 Grain Extremely Low Drag.zeroed my LRP 2.0 today, at 100yds. an amazing rifle, it is a total pleasure to shoot.
at the end i was able to do a group of 5 all inside of the red diamond bullseye of the target, all in or touching red - not a true sub-MOA _yet_ , but, the best i could do, at this moment.
just finished cleaning it.
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ammo now is scarce, so i use that i can get. today we used 'sellier&bellot' 140gr., #sb65a. it seemed to be pretty consistent, at 100yds that was available.What ammo were you using? My Bergara really loves the Hornady Match 6.5 Creedmoor Ammo 140 Grain Extremely Low Drag.
If you get access to any match grade ammo I’ll wager that you’ll see those sub MOA groups .ammo now is scarce, so i use that i can get. today we used 'sellier&bellot' 140gr., #sb65a. it seemed to be pretty consistent, at 100yds that was available.
i have no access yet to 300yds.
Will see, I think that ammo goes now close to a $6pr now on gunbroker. As a am not competing- it is an overkillIf you get access to any match grade ammo I’ll wager that you’ll see those sub MOA groups .
I was surprised btw - tavor on a bipod did really bad groups. Really loose, almost 6”. When I started using a sand bag instead it went to what it should had been, but on a bipod it was really all around the target. And it was moving a lot, with bipod.If you get access to any match grade ammo I’ll wager that you’ll see those sub MOA groups .
Yeah, when I bought most of my Hornady ammo it was $1.15 per round and I thought that was expensive.Will see, I think that ammo goes now close to a $6pr now on gunbroker. As a am not competing- it is an overkill
I’ve never used a bipod on the Tavor, when zeroing an optic on it I just use a cheap MTM Predator Shooting Rest PSR-30, $40 on Amazon. That seems to work fine.I was surprised btw - tavor on a bipod did really bad groups. Really loose, almost 6”. When I started using a sand bag instead it went to what it should had been, but on a bipod it was really all around the target. And it was moving a lot, with bipod.
I started with a bipod and sand bag under the stock, and it was weird. Some shots would go left, some to the right, for no obvious reason.I’ve never used a bipod on the Tavor, when zeroing an optic on it I just use a cheap MTM Predator Shooting Rest PSR-30, $40 on Amazon. That seems to work fine.
what bipod on the Tavor, friend has this silly bipod that mounts on the forward grip. Its a f***ing balancing act. Only reason i could see this bipod in use is if you had a Auto Tavor and decided to run some suppressing fire or accuracy by dispersion.I was surprised btw - tavor on a bipod did really bad groups. Really loose, almost 6”. When I started using a sand bag instead it went to what it should had been, but on a bipod it was really all around the target. And it was moving a lot, with bipod.
I started with a bipod and sand bag under the stock, and it was weird. Some shots would go left, some to the right, for no obvious reason.
My sponsor was there, tried too and got same results. Then I ditched bipod, moved sandbag under the front grip, sling on, pressed stock into a shoulder hard - and it started grouping way better, about 2 moa.
Bergara on a same bipod performed perfectly well. Odd. May be it was a gas tube movement, or ejection impact, dunno.
i have saved all my 6.5CM brass and will definitely learn to reload. it is a sub-MOA rifle for sure, so it is definitely me who can only do a 1moa with it now. and even that felt quite amazing, i got to tell, 3 out of 5 shots went into the almost same hole, edges connected. overall whole group was all in the diamond, that for a first ever shoot was, i think, an acceptably good result.If you want to see how accurate the Bergara will shoot, I suggest temporarily removing the bipod and using a sandbag. If a friend has a bench rest, even better.
I realize tough to find components right now but I very strongly suggest learning to reload if you want to do precision shooting often. With decent ammo and practice, that rifle is probably closer to 1/2 MOA than it is to 1 MOA. Otherwise keep your eyes peeled for reasonably priced (for 2020) ammo. I've found S&B OK for 2-3 MOA milsurp shooting but wouldn't expect better than minute of deer vital area from their 6.5 CM ammo.
i have saved all my 6.5CM brass and will definitely learn to reload. it is a sub-MOA rifle for sure, so it is definitely me who can only do a 1moa with it now. and even that felt quite amazing, i got to tell, 3 out of 5 shots went into the almost same hole, edges connected. overall whole group was all in the diamond, that for a first ever shoot was, i think, an acceptably good result.
with a tavor - i will need to understand its movements better. it was really odd as sometimes using a bipod on a recoil it would jump either to the right, the rifle itself, or to the left.
sponsor also noticed that shells sometimes would fly at 90deg or bit forward or sometimes well totally backward to the car behind the bench.
i wonder now if it would help to replace the bouncer part (or whatever its name is) behind the ejector window, to enforce the same ejection pattern, I did not want to bother with it, to be honest.
plus, if i handle the rifle firmly - i do not think this ejection pattern even matters, dunno.
i just looked at the site - BadRock Precision Rifles South Fork - Firearms for tactical and target use.Have you checked out the badrock rifle made by defiance machine or the new Springfield with the sweet AG composite stock
i was at a 100yds, a center red diamond is 1", its sides are 3/4". should have taken a picture of it, but, we were trying to get a lot of stuff done.Don't forget that group size is measured via outer edge of the two most distant holes minus diameter of the bullet. MOA = group in inches divided by 1.04 per every 100 yards. A 1 MOA group at 200 yards = 2.08".
btw - compliments and gratitude again to you for suggesting the components.I’ve never used a bipod on the Tavor, when zeroing an optic on it I just use a cheap MTM Predator Shooting Rest PSR-30, $40 on Amazon. That seems to work fine.
My pleasure, I’m just glad it’s all working for you. Nothing worse than recommending something and then having it turn out to not work for the person acting on your advice.btw - compliments and gratitude again to you for suggesting the components.
we actually zeroed the rifle, then i had a brainfart episode, and we took scope off the rail to see how it will feel moved a bit in front - then i reverted to the stock and added 7mm to LOP and we mounted scope back - cursing and expecting having to re-zero the rifle. and after that i did that 1moa group, right into the bullseye - means those expensive rings and rail are indeed milled very precise, it did not require ANY alterations at all.
FWIW, one MOA is good, really. Ignoring all other effects, that's approximately 10 inches at 1K. Better than IPSC.
Much of the improvement to bring this under the 1 MOA will be technique and tuning. For instance scope ring height will amplify the effect of 'cant' which, I'd suggest, will have a greater effect on precision than having 'normal' velocity variation round-to-round. It's easy to have the rifle cant shift round-to-round without even realizing it. Removing this source of error is entirely tuning and technique.
I think you'll discover, as you practice, all sorts of variables that will effect the point of impact. Many of which will not have anything to do with the actual ammunition or the inherent precision of that particular rifle. For instance, take a look at some of the competitors. Look at where their thumb is placed on their trigger hand. You may notice some have an odd placement and are purposefully not grasping the stock with the thumb. This not by mistake. What happens with your thumb when you sqeeeeuuuuze the trigger. With each technique learned, they are removing a small source of potential error.
It's cool, it's challenging, and it is what makes long-distance precision so compelling. Many variables to consider. Reloading is a key piece to the equation for a number of reasons though I believe that you'll be able to pull this under the 1 MOA with factory rounds on that chassis.
I generally agree. However, shooting 1 MOA at 100 yards is easy with a precision rifle, good optics, good ammo, and a reasonable skill set. Shooting 1 MOA at 1,000 yards is a different story. It's like using the same bat to hit a ball off of a tee in T-ball vs. hitting a ball pitched by Roger Clemens.
It ain't the bat.
do you usually clean it after 100 shots or 50 or, dunno, 200?
i see, ok. as i mostly shoot tula now from all other guns i got i need to scrub as tula leaves a ton of dirt.I generally don't scrub or look to remove copper fouling. Personal preference.
Really, dont answer but ai have to ask why. Please tell me you did not buy that bipod for the Tavor,this bipod:
Atlas 5-H Bipod Lever Mount with ARMS 17S Mount, Black - $478