17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

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Not sure about that, but even so, you'd have to prove a specific harm I think.

People on the left were always going to have a negative opinion of Kyle's actions based solely on news coverage from established sources; those negative opinions aren't the news outlet's fault. And, arguably, they don't constitute definite harms to Kyle. I don't think his "reputation" is "destroyed;" on the contrary, in fact.

I just think this case might be more of an uphill struggle than I'd like it to be. Lying about someone in public is only punishable if that lie actually causes them direct harm, I think. Again, IANAL. But then, I always like to keep my expectations low.
With all the incorrect and slanderous things that were done that poisoned the Jury pool I think that would be provable Harm !
 

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The interesting question will be how hard are the prosecutors going to come down on this young lady also in Kenosha who shot the man who trapped her for sexual slavery?


What the hell is wrong out there in Wisconsin. Two people who should never have been put on trial are being put on trial and forced to keep going over everything in their lives. She better get a not guilty verdict otherwise the system is busted. This is the kind of unfortunate sh*t that happens when liberal prosecutors protect criminals and re-victimize the victims.

Unfortunately I think she's going to lose that case. While she did a good thing by removing a scumbag from the world, her actions make it look much more like it was premeditated murder rather than self defense. She wasn't caged up in his basement, she went to his house on her own that night. That and setting the house on fire and stealing his car aren't really going to help her defense. The fact that the forensics are showing he was sitting at the time she shot him also aren't going to help, nor are the snaps she sent out before killing him bragging about how she was going to be driving a BMW soon.

There are statutes in the law to allow for a trafficked person to kill their trafficker and be found not guilty, but I think she took things much too far for those to be applied here. I think stealing the car and bragging about it, along with burning the house are going to be the damning factors in her case. If she'd stuck with just popping the guy a couple times in the head, she would have a far better case.

Personally, the only part of it I have a problem with is the fire. That's endangering the entire area, and having been through an apartment fire before, it's not something I wish on anyone.
 
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With all the incorrect and slanderous things that were done that poisoned the Jury pool I think that would be provable Harm !

One of the lawyers on Rittenhouses team left a bit before the trial, Robert Barnes. He has talked about the polling they did and other work in preparation for jury selection. He said in their polling, every single person in the pat county had heard about the case. When so many media people and politicians including a presidential candidate, the local mayor, governor, etc were putting out such defamatory statements, most of the information the potential jury pool heard was lies which would have put him in prison for life.

There’s nothing more valuable than liberty, without your freedom nothing else matters. Rittenhouses injury is much much more substantial than Sandman. Sandman was defamed but never faced criminal charges especially ones which would put him away for life no parole
 

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Specific harm? For at least the next 10 years if an employer, girl he’s interested in dating, college, etc can google his name and one of the search results will be some asshat like pressley saying he’s a murdering racist. He also almost went to prison for the rest of his life and all of that was created by the narrative created by media and politicians like pressley and biden in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.

Think he’d have a hard time claiming emotional distress? He spent a year with the media and the highest level politicians of one party defaming him and he had that murder charge hanging over him. His lawyers said he’s in counseling, can’t sleep, has PTSD, etc.

I don’t think defamation cases and the injury suffered are clearer than this one.
I hope you’re right. But I’m always prepared for disappointment.
 

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This whipped by me on the Microsoft Edge home page this morning:


Conclusion: The outcome of the Rittenhouse trial means that
the Ruling Class now has a hardon for slapping down self-defense,
and the MSM will be obsessing over it until they can manage to
build a narrative that all self-defense is unjustified.

ETA: ...and that's why it needs to be outlawed -
which is a drum that they are already beating.


Strickly from the point of law, Wisconsin has additional jurisprudence
surrounding battered spouses; see the second paragraph
of this third footnote.

I haven't gone on to read those cites.
But they exist separate and distinctly
from anything covered in the Rittenhouse trial.

Below is what the left wants helpless human beings with power in the hands of the state and the criminal class. I can't take credit for finding this quote, but here is self defense in the former Soviet Union, from the Gulag Archipelago:


gulag_archipelago.png
 

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I agree, once she "Put him Down" that would be the end. She should not be charged with the killing of that monster as would clearly be Self Defense. But sadly the other issues are what is to be questioned.

this is why we need to push for reforms/restrictions in legislatures of all 50 states to protect people from abusive prosecutors and frivolous charges
 

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I don’t think defamation cases and the injury suffered are clearer than this one.
The injury is clear enough, but the prosecution itself is an intervening cause, and that's a problem when attributing damages. The state itself has done the most harm with its malicious and politically motivated prosecution.
 

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Once they see the back of the head of a few of their fellow agitators become a red mist from a 30 cal. hit. They will be running back to their mommy's basement.
I say go low on the first few.
Nothing as demoralizing as gut shot people writhing on the ground screaming.
 

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Specific harm? For at least the next 10 years if an employer, girl he’s interested in dating, college, etc can google his name and one of the search results will be some asshat like pressley saying he’s a murdering racist. He also almost went to prison for the rest of his life and all of that was created by the narrative created by media and politicians like pressley and biden in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.

Think he’d have a hard time claiming emotional distress? He spent a year with the media and the highest level politicians of one party defaming him and he had that murder charge hanging over him. His lawyers said he’s in counseling, can’t sleep, has PTSD, etc.

I don’t think defamation cases and the injury suffered are clearer than this one.
Don't forget the countless death threats .
 

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For those asking what was his harm?

What was the harm to Nicholas Sandman? He was never even arrested or tried. He was just defamed with malice and he is now a very rich man.

I am sure Kyle wants this to be over as quick as possible but if I was him, I would accept no offer that did not include a press conference with an admission of guilt. Admitting they knew the truth and lied anyway!
 

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His left-leaning views will change fast enough when he starts getting doxed repeatedly for the rest of his life and at protested at any job he will try to hold.
He needs to get a blue collar union job. Those guys know how to deal with people causing a ruckus on the job site and he can’t be fired because people complain
 

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The settlement amounts were never published, and you can't infer a large settlement from the amount they were suing for. From what I understand, defamation settlements are normally 5 or 6 figures, not 9.
And you can't infer they were not.
From what "I understand" tells me everything I need!
 

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Well, it sounds to me like Mr. Principal needs to find himself in a situation where self-defense would be called for!
Same idiot principal that had no problem with openly anti-Semitic teachers (in one of the most Jewish communities in the country for Christ sake) and terrorism apologists (the loons claiming Tsarnaev was innocent of involvement in the marathon atrocities) in his school.
 

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And you can't infer they were not.
From what "I understand" tells me everything I need!
Huh? I'm not claiming he's not rich. He might be. The settlements are confidential. Lin Wood decided to sue each of the media outlets for hundreds of millions of dollars. So we know what Lin Wood was asking for, but the consensus from all the lawyers I've seen weigh in was that, without actual damages to support those figures, he was asking for the sun, and it isn't likely that the defendants offered the moon instead.
 

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Huh? I'm not claiming he's not rich. He might be. The settlements are confidential. Lin Wood decided to sue each of the media outlets for hundreds of millions of dollars. So we know what Lin Wood was asking for, but the consensus from all the lawyers I've seen weigh in was that, without actual damages to support those figures, he was asking for the sun, and it isn't likely that the defendants offered the moon instead.
I believe the case was an easy one to win. I doubt all the MSM wanted discovery if this went to trial. We are both entitled to our opinions!
 

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It was either unbelievable luck or ice water in his veins. 17 years old and only had one shot go wild? The kid was dead on with his shots

Didnt you have neighborhood BB gun wars when you were a kid?

People could get shot in the face, break an ankle/arm/other and it was all good....everyone would make excuses.....we were just playing/jumping off the roof again......but if there were ever a stray BB that broke a window or dinged a car.......there would have been beatings from fathers for everyone.....twice.
 
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