17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

[bigbravehog]

Just another ignorant Marxist in training.

nobody would have been killed if rioters had stayed home and minded their own business

 

[71montess]

So now we are listening to some Indian dude, from some university ranked less than 400, not a professor but studying computer science. Lol.

There is only one Indian dude I'd take opinions from. And he's here.

 

[apander]

Not sure about that, but even so, you'd have to prove a specific harm I think.

People on the left were always going to have a negative opinion of Kyle's actions based solely on news coverage from established sources; those negative opinions aren't the news outlet's fault. And, arguably, they don't constitute definite harms to Kyle. I don't think his "reputation" is "destroyed;" on the contrary, in fact.

I just think this case might be more of an uphill struggle than I'd like it to be. Lying about someone in public is only punishable if that lie actually causes them direct harm, I think. Again, IANAL. But then, I always like to keep my expectations low.

With all the incorrect and slanderous things that were done that poisoned the Jury pool I think that would be provable Harm !

 

[amm5061]

The interesting question will be how hard are the prosecutors going to come down on this young lady also in Kenosha who shot the man who trapped her for sexual slavery?

Attention Turns To Chrystul Kizer's Self-Defense Case After Kyle Rittenhouse Verdict

What the hell is wrong out there in Wisconsin. Two people who should never have been put on trial are being put on trial and forced to keep going over everything in their lives. She better get a not guilty verdict otherwise the system is busted. This is the kind of unfortunate sh*t that happens when liberal prosecutors protect criminals and re-victimize the victims.

Unfortunately I think she's going to lose that case. While she did a good thing by removing a scumbag from the world, her actions make it look much more like it was premeditated murder rather than self defense. She wasn't caged up in his basement, she went to his house on her own that night. That and setting the house on fire and stealing his car aren't really going to help her defense. The fact that the forensics are showing he was sitting at the time she shot him also aren't going to help, nor are the snaps she sent out before killing him bragging about how she was going to be driving a BMW soon.

There are statutes in the law to allow for a trafficked person to kill their trafficker and be found not guilty, but I think she took things much too far for those to be applied here. I think stealing the car and bragging about it, along with burning the house are going to be the damning factors in her case. If she'd stuck with just popping the guy a couple times in the head, she would have a far better case.

Personally, the only part of it I have a problem with is the fire. That's endangering the entire area, and having been through an apartment fire before, it's not something I wish on anyone.

 

[Hoover]

With all the incorrect and slanderous things that were done that poisoned the Jury pool I think that would be provable Harm !

One of the lawyers on Rittenhouses team left a bit before the trial, Robert Barnes. He has talked about the polling they did and other work in preparation for jury selection. He said in their polling, every single person in the pat county had heard about the case. When so many media people and politicians including a presidential candidate, the local mayor, governor, etc were putting out such defamatory statements, most of the information the potential jury pool heard was lies which would have put him in prison for life.

There’s nothing more valuable than liberty, without your freedom nothing else matters. Rittenhouses injury is much much more substantial than Sandman. Sandman was defamed but never faced criminal charges especially ones which would put him away for life no parole

 

[Picton]

Specific harm? For at least the next 10 years if an employer, girl he’s interested in dating, college, etc can google his name and one of the search results will be some asshat like pressley saying he’s a murdering racist. He also almost went to prison for the rest of his life and all of that was created by the narrative created by media and politicians like pressley and biden in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.

Think he’d have a hard time claiming emotional distress? He spent a year with the media and the highest level politicians of one party defaming him and he had that murder charge hanging over him. His lawyers said he’s in counseling, can’t sleep, has PTSD, etc.

I don’t think defamation cases and the injury suffered are clearer than this one.

I hope you’re right. But I’m always prepared for disappointment.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

This whipped by me on the Microsoft Edge home page this morning:

Woman Shot, Killed After Aiming Gun at Biker She Intentionally Hit With Her Car: Police

Conclusion: The outcome of the Rittenhouse trial means that
the Ruling Class now has a hardon for slapping down self-defense,
and the MSM will be obsessing over it until they can manage to
build a narrative that all self-defense is unjustified.

ETA: ...and that's why it needs to be outlawed -
which is a drum that they are already beating.


Strickly from the point of law, Wisconsin has additional jurisprudence
surrounding battered spouses; see the second paragraph
of this third footnote.

I haven't gone on to read those cites.
But they exist separate and distinctly
from anything covered in the Rittenhouse trial.

Below is what the left wants helpless human beings with power in the hands of the state and the criminal class. I can't take credit for finding this quote, but here is self defense in the former Soviet Union, from the Gulag Archipelago:

 

[namedpipes]

I hope you’re right. But I’m always prepared for disappointment.

That's just because you're surrounded by kids all day

That would sap anyone's optimism

 

[meh]

I don’t think defamation cases and the injury suffered are clearer than this one.

The injury is clear enough, but the prosecution itself is an intervening cause, and that's a problem when attributing damages. The state itself has done the most harm with its malicious and politically motivated prosecution.

 

[Dadstoys]

Once they see the back of the head of a few of their fellow agitators become a red mist from a 30 cal. hit. They will be running back to their mommy's basement.

I say go low on the first few.
Nothing as demoralizing as gut shot people writhing on the ground screaming.

 

[Rockrivr1]

I say go low on the first few.
Nothing as demoralizing as gut shot people writhing on the ground screaming.

That is good, but I’ll take being sprayed with brain matter as a better way to freak out the masses.

 

[Kicker96FS]

What caliber works best for commie forearms?

.40

 

[Wooderson]

.40

Obsolete ideologies deserve to be removed with obsolete calibers.

 

[Dadstoys]

Specific harm? For at least the next 10 years if an employer, girl he’s interested in dating, college, etc can google his name and one of the search results will be some asshat like pressley saying he’s a murdering racist. He also almost went to prison for the rest of his life and all of that was created by the narrative created by media and politicians like pressley and biden in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.

Think he’d have a hard time claiming emotional distress? He spent a year with the media and the highest level politicians of one party defaming him and he had that murder charge hanging over him. His lawyers said he’s in counseling, can’t sleep, has PTSD, etc.

I don’t think defamation cases and the injury suffered are clearer than this one.

Don't forget the countless death threats .

 

[SteelShooter]

Obsolete ideologies deserve to be removed with obsolete calibers.

17hmr

 

[Alien]

For those asking what was his harm?

What was the harm to Nicholas Sandman? He was never even arrested or tried. He was just defamed with malice and he is now a very rich man.

I am sure Kyle wants this to be over as quick as possible but if I was him, I would accept no offer that did not include a press conference with an admission of guilt. Admitting they knew the truth and lied anyway!

 

[In God We Trust]

His left-leaning views will change fast enough when he starts getting doxed repeatedly for the rest of his life and at protested at any job he will try to hold.

He needs to get a blue collar union job. Those guys know how to deal with people causing a ruckus on the job site and he can’t be fired because people complain

 

[M125X]

Newton North High School Principal Sends Email Saying Self Defense Is Racist, Undermines Jury System, Segregates Students By Race - TB Daily News

This is Newton North High School Principal Henry Turner. On Friday he sent an email out to all his staff, and then posted it on Facebook, Twitter, and his personal blog, stating that the acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse is racism, and that if Rittenhouse were black he would’ve been found guilty...

tbdailynews.com

Turtle Boy hit the nail on the head with his commentary. Pure gold.

 

[SpaceCritter]

Newton North High School Principal Sends Email Saying Self Defense Is Racist, Undermines Jury System, Segregates Students By Race - TB Daily News

This is Newton North High School Principal Henry Turner. On Friday he sent an email out to all his staff, and then posted it on Facebook, Twitter, and his personal blog, stating that the acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse is racism, and that if Rittenhouse were black he would’ve been found guilty...

tbdailynews.com

Turtle Boy hit the nail on the head with his commentary. Pure gold.

Well, it sounds to me like Mr. Principal needs to find himself in a situation where self-defense would be called for!

 

[meh]

He was just defamed with malice and he is now a very rich man.

The settlement amounts were never published, and you can't infer a large settlement from the amount they were suing for. From what I understand, defamation settlements are normally 5 or 6 figures, not 9.

 

[Alien]

The settlement amounts were never published, and you can't infer a large settlement from the amount they were suing for. From what I understand, defamation settlements are normally 5 or 6 figures, not 9.

And you can't infer they were not.
From what "I understand" tells me everything I need!

 

[Waher]

Well, it sounds to me like Mr. Principal needs to find himself in a situation where self-defense would be called for!

Same idiot principal that had no problem with openly anti-Semitic teachers (in one of the most Jewish communities in the country for Christ sake) and terrorism apologists (the loons claiming Tsarnaev was innocent of involvement in the marathon atrocities) in his school.

 

[meh]

And you can't infer they were not.
From what "I understand" tells me everything I need!

Huh? I'm not claiming he's not rich. He might be. The settlements are confidential. Lin Wood decided to sue each of the media outlets for hundreds of millions of dollars. So we know what Lin Wood was asking for, but the consensus from all the lawyers I've seen weigh in was that, without actual damages to support those figures, he was asking for the sun, and it isn't likely that the defendants offered the moon instead.

 

[Alien]

Huh? I'm not claiming he's not rich. He might be. The settlements are confidential. Lin Wood decided to sue each of the media outlets for hundreds of millions of dollars. So we know what Lin Wood was asking for, but the consensus from all the lawyers I've seen weigh in was that, without actual damages to support those figures, he was asking for the sun, and it isn't likely that the defendants offered the moon instead.

I believe the case was an easy one to win. I doubt all the MSM wanted discovery if this went to trial. We are both entitled to our opinions!

 

[GaryO]

Ret. SEAL Jonathan Gilliam on Rittenhouse: 'Textbook Perfect' with AR-15

Kyle Rittenhouse's use of a firearm was "textbook perfect," Jonathan Gilliam, retired Navy SEAL, told Breitbart News on Wednesday.

www.breitbart.com

It was either unbelievable luck or ice water in his veins. 17 years old and only had one shot go wild? The kid was dead on with his shots

 

[Fixxah]

It was either unbelievable luck or ice water in his veins. 17 years old and only had one shot go wild? The kid was dead on with his shots

He missed drop kick man then missed shooting the gun out of the lucky guy's hand.

 

[Hoover]

Don't forget the countless death threats .

Good point, he’s had 24/7 security according to his lawyers, the is not inexpensive

 

[Hoover]

It was either unbelievable luck or ice water in his veins. 17 years old and only had one shot go wild? The kid was dead on with his shots

He fired 8 shots. 4 hits on pedo rosenbaum, missed jump kick man with 2 shots, 1 hit on Huber and 1 hit on grosskruetz. His discipline was impressive

 

[meh]

We are both entitled to our opinions!

I don't feel like I have an opinion on the matter as such.

 

[AHM]

I agree with putting that animal down. I agree that would be self defense. The issues of setting the fire and stealing the car after, that is what can be called into question.

It's what you get when the criminal justice system is inoperative.