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YouTube to Remove Non-Political Gun Content

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Prepare for YouTube gun channels to shit the bed, regardless of whether they're political.

This seems to suggest that Hickock45, Military Arms Channel, Mr. Guns N Gear, ForgottenWeapons, Small Arms Solutions, Jerry Miculek, Firearm Rack, Demo Ranch, etc. will all be de-platformed or forced to knuckle under. SAS has already knuckled under and welcomed the changes.

I have deleted my channel, am migrating to BitChute among others, and deleted Google (as a home page and search engine) in favor of DuckDuckGo as of 3/21.

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I set up a skype call after receiving this notification, and asked some clarification questions to expand on the blurb that I was sent - this is what I was told by a Youtube Representative:

-No "home made" suppressors can be shown (registered or otherwise)

-No bump stocks, trigger cranks, binary triggers, etc can be shown

-No magazines or firearms with over a 30rd capacity can be shown

-No "home made" magazines can be shown ("high capacity" or otherwise)

-No belt-fed firearms or ammunition belts can be shown

-No magazine building or modification demonstrations ("high capacity" or otherwise)

-No 80% lower/frame demonstrations or other "manufacturing" demonstrations

-No assembly demonstrations (on stripped lowers OR scratchbuilt receivers)

-No reloading or bullet casting demonstrations, by hand or machine

-No assembly or upgrade demonstrations for aforementioned "evil" parts

-No bump-firing, belt-loop demonstrations or otherwise

-No advertisements, sponsors links, or verbal mention of gun sellers

I asked, for example, about my video showing a Mosin Nagant with a 5rd extension being installed on the fixed 5rd magazine, and was told it would be a violation of TOS come the deadline. I asked about my video of a "build" on a stripped lower from an FFL manufacturer - violation of TOS. I asked about the video in which I thanked another LGS for helping me thread an odd sized barrel, and encouraged people to check them out - violation of TOS. I asked about my video of the installation and tuning of a Timney trigger - violation of TOS. The only thing I asked about that he didn't seem to think would be a violation was a video where I pinned and welded a long muzzle device on a 14.5" barrel. I can't even mention the shop where I work.


As with the Attorney General's decree, we are dealing with the "including, but not limited to" standard here. It may change at any time, at the whim of the censors. For a channel as small as mine was, there's no way to dispute strikes other than clicking a button and crossing your fingers.


This is a modern day book burning, no?

I think it's time we stop giving money to Youtube/Google. Your clicks and account information are "money".
 
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Based on the news report last night about them hosting videos that insert porn / violence into kid' shows....you would think that they had bigger fish to fry
 
Extreme.
Content censorship, This is going to hurt Youtube...
That's shameful.
Goodbye YT

LOL they already do this. You can't even use a non-monetized clip that happens to have someone elses music playing in the background.

That was enough to piss me off and cause me to buy a vimeo account.

-Mike
 
I wondering if this was the reason they started demonetizing videos, to see if their foretasted projections on revenue decline would represent actual decline. Whatever the outcome, it appears that it doesn't matter to them.
 
move to full 30 lot of the good channels did already

It's not that simple unfortunately. I didn't have a very big channel and wasn't monetized even before the purges, and frankly my video quality isn't as awesome as the people who are in it to build a brand or make money; better than the usual "Bubba's Garage" filmed by 480i cellphone, featuring bare big toes, though. Full30 isn't as simple as just signing up from what I've found. That's fine, and may change as the Big Social sites become shills for the Everytown, SPLC, ADL, Open Society, etc, but for now doesn't make it an option for me.

I'm setting up on BitChute and PewTube now, looking into DailyMotion and VidMe. Seems like it makes sense to have redundant channels.

I may make use of Gab Video (I have a small presence, there but have been waiting for the Soros Nazi LARPers to die down).
 
Monetizing a web site for ad revenue is a losing game, you should be able to get paid directly from the people who view your site.

I've been using a browser called Brave which is an open source project released by the guy who used to run Netscape (and invented Javascript). It is a browser that can directly do micropayments to people's web sites with content. So you don't need to have a middleman like Google collecting ad revenue, and payments can automatically go directly to the content provider. You set how much you want to spend a month, say $5 or $10, and each month it divides up the money, and sends a portion to all the web sites you visited.

It hasn't gotten much adoption yet, but it has huge advantages over relying on 'free' content and making the content providers be at the mercy of the ad brokers. This is a perfect example of why.
 
Where should we be going to for videos? What’s the most realistically viable site?

The market hasn't borne that out yet. Remains to be seen, as Google, Apple, Facebook own almost everything mainstream. A happy little social tech oligarchy.

Full30 is a great place but it is a gun place - echo chamber - you go there only for guns and gun stuff, period.

I've used BitChute and PewTube they both work really well, but not everything is crossposted or crossrepresented.

The difficulty is competing with Googles funding/servers - nothing will "work" as well or as reliably as Youtube for now. If you're like me, kick these companies a few bucks, buy some stock, do something to keep them alive - the same way we used to buy services 10+ years ago rather than "pay" by allowing them to track our every movement. As for picking the winners, boy, that's tough... look at the dotcom bubble...
 
I find the contrast between "ban all gun stuff" and "but not *political* gun stuff" to be telling. Why not ban the political stuff too? Are they afraid of 1st Amendment violations accusations?

Yes, I know they're not the .gov can can do whatever they want.

The appearance of banning political speech must be pretty bad for them to make that distinction.
 
I find the contrast between "ban all gun stuff" and "but not *political* gun stuff" to be telling. Why not ban the political stuff too? Are they afraid of 1st Amendment violations accusations?

Yes, I know they're not the .gov can can do whatever they want.

The appearance of banning political speech must be pretty bad for them to make that distinction.
Because if they ban political gun stuff, folks will have a leg to stand on when they start reporting videos in favor of gun control.
 
It's not that simple unfortunately. I didn't have a very big channel and wasn't monetized even before the purges, and frankly my video quality isn't as awesome as the people who are in it to build a brand or make money; better than the usual "Bubba's Garage" filmed by 480i cellphone, featuring bare big toes, though. Full30 isn't as simple as just signing up from what I've found. That's fine, and may change as the Big Social sites become shills for the Everytown, SPLC, ADL, Open Society, etc, but for now doesn't make it an option for me.

I'm setting up on BitChute and PewTube now, looking into DailyMotion and VidMe. Seems like it makes sense to have redundant channels.

I may make use of Gab Video (I have a small presence, there but have been waiting for the Soros Nazi LARPers to die down).

didn tkow it was that invlolved
Reddit has also banned r/gundeals, r/brassswap and r/gunsforsale. They claimed because it violated the commerce rule but the timing seems like bullshit.

that pisses me off i liked looking at those groups there
 
A lot of the big gun channels have switched to Full30 a while back. Conservative news channels are next - Crowder's videos keep getting demonetized and he was just temporarily banned. This is book burning in the digital age.

I'll have to check out some of the other sites mentioned upthread.

Anyone have a good alternative to Gmail?
 
A lot of the big gun channels have switched to Full30 a while back. Conservative news channels are next - Crowder's videos keep getting demonetized and he was just temporarily banned. This is book burning in the digital age.

I'll have to check out some of the other sites mentioned upthread.

Anyone have a good alternative to Gmail?

protonmail
 
didn tkow it was that invlolved

Yeah, there's an application process currently.


I find the contrast between "ban all gun stuff" and "but not *political* gun stuff" to be telling. Why not ban the political stuff too? Are they afraid of 1st Amendment violations accusations?

They're banning much of the political stuff, in effect, by doing this - the point of my title was that they aren't JUST banning activists or sellers of firearms, they're banning a-political groups who simply review common guns, historical guns, etc. Or forcing them to drastically reduce their content, should they choose to attempt to comply - which, in return, carries the risk of being banned on a whim due to "suggestions subject to change".

C'est la vie. Most gun stuff has been in limited state or non-montezed status (or both) for a while now on YouTube.

I mean "modern day book burnings" - I really do. That's what this is; the attempted destruction of wrongthink.
 
This is obviously disturbing, on several levels.

I’m curious as to what constitutes “political” gun talk, for reasons pointed out by milktree, but even more specifically: how much of a video needs to be political in nature to make Google uneasy about pulling it and be called out for censorship/infringing on 1st Amendment rights.

For example, if you had a video that explained the mechanics of a binary trigger, but front-ended the first 30 seconds with your cogent opinion on the 2nd Amendment platform issues that certain AG candidates are running on.

During the part focused on the binary trigger, you have a scrolling ticker at bottom of screen advocating for/links to/data points on: Firearm suicide prevention, gun safety with kids in the House, stats proving ineffectiveness of gun control laws, comparative data on deaths annually due to smoking and second hand smoke, car accidents, dietary issues (obesity-related illnesses VS those due to firearms, etc.

Essentially, make it near impossible for Google to parse out what they’d like to suppress from what they are cautious of treading on and getting hammered for (free speech and political discourse).

Bookend the last 30 seconds re-stating what you lead with for the first 30 seconds.

I’m not a YouTube expert, but I’ve got to think that a simple script can be gen’d Up and re-used by the pro 2a you tubers, as could an embed fable template for the scrolling stats.

I don’t know; probably sounds like a lot of effort to fight back against the behemoth that is Google/Amazon/Apple. I’m just getting tired of being steamrolled and feeling like less and less of a free American adult each and every day. And I’m simply a viewer/consumer trying to learn and stay up to date on what’s out there in the firearms industry—I feel horrible for the guys and gals that have put so much time and effort into their channels, providing expertise, ideas, and entertainment.

I’ll step down from the soap box now.
 
It's not that simple unfortunately. I didn't have a very big channel and wasn't monetized even before the purges, and frankly my video quality isn't as awesome as the people who are in it to build a brand or make money; better than the usual "Bubba's Garage" filmed by 480i cellphone, featuring bare big toes, though. Full30 isn't as simple as just signing up from what I've found. That's fine, and may change as the Big Social sites become shills for the Everytown, SPLC, ADL, Open Society, etc, but for now doesn't make it an option for me.

I'm setting up on BitChute and PewTube now, looking into DailyMotion and VidMe. Seems like it makes sense to have redundant channels.

I may make use of Gab Video (I have a small presence, there but have been waiting for the Soros Nazi LARPers to die down).

VidMe is gone as of a few months ago, so don't look for them.

DTube has potential. It can be challenging to figure out how to set up an account though (has to be done on steemit first).... I really don't know why they have to take 24+ hours and hide this "posting key" down in some obscure menu that they don't tell you about and you have to search for before you learn about it. It's retarded and they need to get their act together.

I've been meaning to look at BitChute.

There's a fairly impressive platform called Minds. it does not currently host its own video content though... you have to link to it (on youtube) which is unfortunate.
 
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