You all in MA so screwed: Does not look good for gun owners in MA.

[The5thDentist]

What? If I were going to run, I'd leave NH instead of staying here and fighting (and voting). I'm not running out to the west (already been there. Just as much attacking going on in AZ).

OH. I thought you were making fun of the idea of leaving the area.

 

[Whutmeworry]

not gonna happen, to many competing ideology's and kids are being brainwashed in School and College to obey the Nanny State. Catholic Church is corrupted by the pedophile scandal and still won't except the fact there to many gay/pedophile Priests in the church. Unless they finally allow women to be Priests and Priests to marry the faith will die off in the Western World. Libs have demonized Christianity for their anti-abortion, anti-gay teachings. I attended Catholic school for 10 yrs, the schools taught me well and no regrets but this is a different day and time. Discipline is frowned on and the average Millennial is to self absorbed to listen.

Days and times change, but people do not. That’s what needs to be understood. People will always be selfish and sinful.

You’re right that many millennials are self-absorbed, but so are many people of all other generations. It’s a normal human condition. Given the choice between doing right or wrong, most people will inherently do the wrong thing, and they’ll go out of their way to justify it.

Receiving and developing a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is the only way out. Understanding who’s truly in charge and acting accordingly as an American is the only way each one of us can fight against progressivism, because progressivism is diametrically opposed to Christianity. Believe it.

 

[jayhitek]

I'm still shocked this thread hasn't been closed yet.

 

[Radtekk]

No, it's time to start shipping domestic commies out to actual commie countries. That or helicopter rides. The helicopter is probably cheaper in the long run.

Punkin chunkin...

 

[DispositionMatrix]

The only direct opposition to progressivism is Christianity.

One could easily argue orthodox Islam is more in direct opposition to progressivism.

 

[Lip]

Yup. Many in NH have been in denial for a very long time. There have been good days and bad days in NH but the trend line is undeniable that NH is slowly heading the route of VT, ME and MA.

Funny but my border town of Hudson voted overwhelmingly Republican. Once we get a handle on same day voter fraud hopefully the rest of the state will follow

 

[Qwikdraw45]

OH. I thought you were making fun of the idea of leaving the area.

Not making fun of it. Merely stating that it is almost pointless. The cancer will follow you, and there won't be anything that you can do about it (unless you can get the brainwashing to stop in schools). Even though NH is now really blue, I don't plan on going anywhere else.

 

[SpaceCritter]

Funny but my border town of Hudson voted overwhelmingly Republican. Once we get a handle on same day voter fraud hopefully the rest of the state will follow

The problem is, it's not just the college kiddies. Here's the vote for governor from Grafton County, including what it would be if Hanover (and Hanover & Lebanon) magically disappeared. Not exactly decisively red:

 

[Radtekk]

Youngest graduates HS in June. Lady Radtekk and I will be gone the day after I drop her off at college. She knows how to make phone calls and flight reservations if she wants to visit

Moving to NH had been a thought. No more. Snow sucks, Lady Radtekk hates winter and cold. We briefly discussed Wyoming. Not anymore. Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, western Carolinas. 200+ miles from the coast. 60+ minutes from big/capital cities.

Can't wait get out of this shit-hole state. Glad I came here, it's been fun, but it's getting to be time to go.

 

[headednorth]

Funny but my border town of Hudson voted overwhelmingly Republican. Once we get a handle on same day voter fraud hopefully the rest of the state will follow

The problem is, it's not just the college kiddies. Here's the vote for governor from Grafton County, including what it would be if Hanover (and Hanover & Lebanon) magically disappeared. Not exactly decisively red:
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The point Ive been trying to get across to the NH ppl who feel that their state would be a deep crimson in perpetuity if it wasnt for those meddling Ma**h*** invaders is that...

1) the part of the state where the most MA residents end up is the reddest part of the state, consistently.
2) the parts of the state that go blue are not where MA movers end up in.

If the "MA is ruining NH with their voting habits" theory was valid, Hudson, Londonderry, Atkinson, Pelham, Plaistow, etc, basically Southern Rockingham would be a deep dark blue but its not. Its the reddest part of NH. There also isnt enough college kid voter fraud going on to account for why its gone blue either. Its a problem that needs to be fixed, dont get me wrong. Im just saying that if you split recent MA movers, college kids and long time or life time NH residents into 3 groups, Group #3 would outweigh the other two by a huge margin.

Someone is wielding enough voting power to swing NH and it isnt MA movers or college kids. They may be a small part of the problem, but theyre not THE problem. Dont waste your time swatting at flies while your house is burning down.

 

[zboys]

If it wasn't for ma**h***s moving to NH, you'd all be related up there.

 

[Coyote33]

The argument I'm about to make may not be popular on this site among everyone here, but I'm going to make it anyway because it just really needs to be said.

You are 100% correct. Progressivism IS a religion. You might say it is the ultimate ANTI-CHRISTIAN religion. Why? Because it offers people the flexibility to do and say whatever they want without consequence. ANYTHING a person wants to believe can be and is justified, because ultimately in the mind of the progressive THERE ULTIMATELY ARE NO CONSEQUENCES FOR ANYONE'S ACTIONS. Period. Because in the minds of most of them there is no afterlife, and no moral code that they are bound to live by.

There is really only one way to combat this. Once again, I understand this may in fact be a VERY controversial statement to make on this site because it is not necessarily a Christian website but a pro-gun one. No-one is more pro-gun than me, but the solution this problem MUST directly oppose progressivism.

The only direct opposition to progressivism is Christianity. Without a vigorous Christian revival in this country we're truly lost. I'm not forcing my religion on anyone. I'm stating a very simple truth.

I'm getting into the habit of asking everyone I talk to whether or not they believe people are basically good. The person's answer tells me instantly whether or not they are a progressive. Think about it. If people are basically good (meaning given the choice, they generally do the thing that's in the self-interest of others and NOT themselves) and the government is made up of people, then we have nothing to fear from empowering the government. If however people are basically NOT good as true Christians believe i.e. they are all sinners, and only God is free of sin then God, not government is where people MUST place their trust.

Think about it, and flame away if you must...

Kind of makes sense.


I was going to say it might be a religion, but not necessarily Christianity. But this guy beat me to it:

One could easily argue orthodox Islam is more in direct opposition to progressivism.

 

[headednorth]

Progressivism is Communism which will not tolerate any sort of competition for the peoples loyalty. Religion, family, etc. Any bonds people may feel towards anything other than the state must be crushed.

 

[snubnose]

'our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other' - John Adams

 

[BUMPA01603]

Getting back to the OP and trying to figure out what that persons point was.... but, most of us MA gun owners are quite used to all the anti gun rhetoric and I am immune to it. We watched the election results knowing full well that the candidates we wanted didn't really have a chance.... I'm not all that worried about losing the contents of my safe anytime soon. My roots here run deep and I haven't seen a real reason to disturb them

 

[Randy Lahey]

Getting back to the OP and trying to figure out what that persons point was.... but, most of us MA gun owners are quite used to all the anti gun rhetoric and I am immune to it. We watched the election results knowing full well that the candidates we wanted didn't really have a chance.... I'm not all that worried about losing the contents of my safe anytime soon. My roots here run deep and I haven't seen a real reason to disturb them

Probably just Maura, trying to get us all riled up. Mission accomplished.

 

[snubnose]

Bump, if the applicators are patient enough deep roots only delay the inevitable.

 

[Admin]

To the guys who are going to let higher property taxes stop them from being free and in a State where there votes count, stay in MA. We don't need you heros up here.

 

[Len-2A Training]

To the guys who are going to let higher property taxes stop them from being free and in a State where there votes count, stay in MA. We don't need you heros up here.

Wrt property taxes, a lot of the difference depends on where you are coming from vs. going to. BUT if you and SO can both work from NH instead of paying MA income tax to the welfare state, you will still save a lot of money.

My case is easier as I live in a highly taxed town in MA and where we are moving to in NH, I'll save ~$1300/yr in RE taxes and the same house here would be ~$150K more than what I'm paying for it. If I wanted to live in the backwoods of NH (I don't) then I'd save a lot more and have a ton more land for the same money. Now I just have to convince my Wife to work full-time from the NH home instead of MA, to avoid a MA income tax nightmare. . .I'm working on this!

 

[slap shot]

To the guys who are going to let higher property taxes stop them from being free and in a State where there votes count, stay in MA. We don't need you heros up here.

I pay $5 a day more than I did in North Attleboro, a low tax town. It’s the best $5 a day I’ve ever spent.

 

[Len-2A Training]

If someone wants a really beautiful home "in the woods" in NH with lots of land and I'm sure it has it's own firing range, a friend of all of us (the Wife is the lady in the GOAL video) is selling this home since they moved to MD.

370 Webster Lake Road Franklin, NH

 

[Whutmeworry]

One could easily argue orthodox Islam is more in direct opposition to progressivism.

If you think so, please explain.

 

[snubnose]

Modern progressives contend that the truth is 'relative' and that Scripture, which they believe to be a mere collection of old stories rather than the Word of the Creator, MUST change as what was right/wrong no longer is-herein lies the direct and inherent contradiction of progressivism to all established and accepted Religions-especially Islam.

 

[Whutmeworry]

Modern progressives contend that the truth is 'relative' and that Scripture, which they believe to be a mere collection of old stories rather than the Word of the Creator, MUST change as what was right/wrong no longer is-herein lies the direct and inherent contradiction of progressivism to all established and accepted Religions-especially Islam.

I agree with your interpretation of how progressives see the truth or more accurately, refuse to see the truth. I would however also say that no one understands the importance of truth and the adherence to a moral code than a true Christian.

 

[PeterC]

I agree with your interpretation of how progressives see the truth or more accurately, refuse to see the truth. I would however also say that no one understands the importance of truth and the adherence to a moral code than a true Christian.

You know, I really try not to get involved in Religous discussions but I have to say this - "no one understands the importance of truth and the adherence to a moral code than a true Christian" - is one of the most insulting things I've read on this board. Over the millenia Christianity has been responsible for untold horrifics and to say that because I'm not a Christian I do not know the difference between right and wrong or understand "morality" is downright laughable.

 

[Varmint]

You know, I really try not to get involved in Religous discussions but I have to say this - "no one understands the importance of truth and the adherence to a moral code than a true Christian" - is one of the most insulting things I've read on this board. Over the millenia Christianity has been responsible for untold horrifics and to say that because I'm not a Christian I do not know the difference between right and wrong or understand "morality" is downright laughable.

Obviously those who committed atrocities were not true Christians. Entities like the Vatican give Christianity a bad name.

 

[drgrant]

I agree with your interpretation of how progressives see the truth or more accurately, refuse to see the truth. I would however also say that no one understands the importance of truth and the adherence to a moral code than a true Christian.

Lol so "christians" (and I use this term loosely) have a lock up on defining morality or codes of ethics?

What is the truth? is it only the truth because the sky wizard tablet says so?




FWIW the problem with progressives is not religion, or lack thereof.... it's the whole idea of abuse of the individual via coercion and force. Not much different than what happens in bad religions or subsections of religions. Same thing.

It's easier to convince people that progressivism sucks by suggesting that, regardless of what religion someone believes, its generally bad form to impose ones will over someone else by pointing a gun at them. You don't need to go to church to believe in
that sort of thing.

What's that thing with socialism... "Ideas so good, that they have to be made mandatory" etc....

-Mike

 

[kevin9]

Here's a quote from Philip Yancy that I think is right on point: "C. S. Lewis observed that almost all crimes of Christian history have come about when religion is confused with politics. Politics, which always runs by the rules of ungrace, allures us to trade away grace for power, a temptation the church has often been unable to resist."
It speaks to the atrocities attributed to Christianity. And Islam makes no distinction between religion and politics. And liberal progressives (and socialists, and communists) make their politics their religion. All are recipes for disaster.

 

[Whutmeworry]

You know, I really try not to get involved in Religous discussions but I have to say this - "no one understands the importance of truth and the adherence to a moral code than a true Christian" - is one of the most insulting things I've read on this board. Over the millenia Christianity has been responsible for untold horrifics and to say that because I'm not a Christian I do not know the difference between right and wrong or understand "morality" is downright laughable.

You totally missed my point, and I would suggest that you need to learn not to be so offended by open discourse as it is a liberty that we alone enjoy as Americans.

I never said that ONLY Christians understand right from wrong. I realize now that there was a slight typo in my last post. I meant to say that no one understands the importance of truth and the adherence to a moral code MORE than a true Christian.

I AM saying that as a Christian, one understands that the only way to eternal life is through the full acknowledgement that Jesus Christ died for our sins. For the sins of all human beings. While in this life, Christians are as susceptible to, and as guilty of, sin as anyone else. Yet, the true Christian still understands he/she is eventually going to be judged and as such will be held to account for his/her sins in the afterlife. This does not mean that committing sin necessarily excludes you from going to heaven, but at the same time the Bible is quite clear (absolute) about what constitutes right from wrong.

There is no such construct in secular progressivism. Morality is increasingly "relative" and more and more we are seeing that progressives find justification for doing what they want rather than what they SHOULD do because moral absolutes have become mere suggestions, and consequences for immoral actions seem nowhere to be found on this earth. I submit to you that the consequences ARE in fact NOT necessarily to be found on this earth. They WILL most definitely be found in the afterlife.

I give you the Broward County Elections commissioner as a recent exhibit "A" of a secular progressive who does not care about consequences and does not have a moral compass of any kind. She has been enabled by others who likewise either do not understand moral absolutes, or simply refuse to live up to them. Lies, cheating and stealing are all justified as long as the ends justify the means.

As for the argument that Christians have been violent in the past, that may be true. I would however submit to you that if they were true Christians who had a fundamental understanding of the Bible they would ask for God's forgiveness. They would also forgive their enemies both living and dead, whether or not those enemies were themselves Christian.

Anyway, we're way, WAAAYY off course from the original subject of the thread. I blame whoever it was that first mentioned Progressivism!!!!

 

[snubnose]

An armed Believer is unlikely to fall to their knees and 'worship' any government