Witnesses say many dead, injured in shooting at New Zealand mosque

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After the Christchurch attacks, Ardern did a lot of things right. She wore a headscarf when visiting the local Muslim community. She opened the next parliamentary session with the Arabic message of peace, "As-Salaam Alaikum." And she refused to speak the attacker's name. Her message: I am on the side of the Muslim victims. And: Muslims belong to us.
Women's instinctive behavior in the face of hostility is to placate and then submit. This strategy conferred a reproductive advantage relative to women who fought, which is why women do it.

Men who attempt to placate and then submit to the mercy of other men are generally not so successful, which is why men's instinctive behavior in the face of hostility is to attempt to establish dominance by force. Someone is going to end up face down in the ditch with their throat cut, better them than you.
 

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Women's instinctive behavior in the face of hostility is to placate and then submit. This strategy conferred a reproductive advantage relative to women who fought, which is why women do it.

Men who attempt to placate and then submit to the mercy of other men are generally not so successful, which is why men's instinctive behavior in the face of hostility is to attempt to establish dominance by force. Someone is going to end up face down in the ditch with their throat cut, better them than you.
It makes people uncomfortable to think of humans as instinctive animals. People don’t think it be like it is, but it do.
 

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Women's instinctive behavior in the face of hostility is to placate and then submit. This strategy conferred a reproductive advantage relative to women who fought, which is why women do it.

Men who attempt to placate and then submit to the mercy of other men are generally not so successful, which is why men's instinctive behavior in the face of hostility is to attempt to establish dominance by force. Someone is going to end up face down in the ditch with their throat cut, better them than you.
Are you implying that, mayhaps, women wouldn't make the best candidates for leadership positions such as Prime Minister? [devil]
 

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Why Can’t We Pass Gun Laws Like New Zealand?
The difference in comparing the U.S. and New Zealand rests on some of the countries’ other characteristics. New Zealand does not have the right of gun ownership written into its constitution, which, no matter how you interpret the Second Amendment, certainly is an advantage in broad gun reform. The gun culture of New Zealand is not as steeped in its foundational myths as the gun culture of the U.S. is. Lobbying is not a constitutional right in New Zealand—it’s treated as somewhere between curiosity and a potentially pernicious phenomenon. Political campaign funding has lately become an issue, but it is not the case that donors have great sway over elected officials. There’s no powerful gun lobby to influence elections because even the political party contesting the most seats in the general election spends less than NZ$3 million (a little more than $2 million).

But with all those differences noted, a major factor in American democratic dysfunction is the sheer size of its demographics. It is hard to be a government for the people and by the people when the number of people approaches a third of a billion.
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On the plus side, our enormity and our strength do mean that when we get something right, even a little right, the benefits to us and to the world can be enormous. We’re like a huge conglomerate that might have a profit margin of only 1 percent, but we make up for it in volume. Then again, when we get it wrong, even when we get it a little wrong, even when the question is tough, it reverberates far and wide. Think of the Arab Spring. It was a legitimately tough call to decide which rulers to back, which insurgencies to oppose, whom to topple, whom to grudgingly support in the name of stability, and whom to attempt to weaken in the name of freedom. The U.S. certainly misstepped along the way, all hard-to-avoid errors that have far greater consequence than anything Sweden, Norway, Iceland, or New Zealand ever has the opportunity to accomplish.
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The New Zealand Constitution | New Zealand Now
We do not have a grand, overarching constitutional document like the Constitution of the USA. But we do have a constitution - it is just made up of different tools of power.

As in many countries with a heritage of British-style government, our constitution is spread across a range of formal documents, decisions and conventions. These include:

  • Acts of Parliament
  • legal documents (‘Letters Patent’)
  • decisions of the Courts
  • generally accepted practices or ‘conventions’.
Put together, these define what the major institutions of government are, what powers they have and how they can use them.

New Zealand is a parliamentary democracy
Many countries these days have a President. That can be a powerful role, as it is in the USA or South Africa, or it can be a more ceremonial role, as it is in Germany or Israel.

Other countries, like the UK and Malaysia, have a King or Queen whose role is also mainly ceremonial.

New Zealand’s constitutional setup is more like that of the UK and similar to what you will find in Australia and Canada.
I meet a lot of good immigrants who have taken the legal road to US Citizenship and work in industry - they often extol the virtues of the US and our way of government but express some quibbles with our specific Constitutional text or interpretation. I usually give them a US Constitution/Declaration of Independence pocket copy (I bought a case for $1 each way back) and tell them to draw a pencil line through the parts we didin’t need to be the country they wanted to emigrate to rather than Canada, England, etc.

They usually get it quickly. But I add that just because we don’t change the text doesn’t mean we all agree on what is means. As Alexis de Tocqueville said in observation of Americans in his 1835 Democracy in America, every American from all walks of life talks about government and politics as a daily point of conversation rather than restricting such discourse to the elite ruling class. I don’t wear a MAGA hat - I need a AISG hate “America Is Still Great.”
 

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Why Can’t We Pass Gun Laws Like New Zealand?
The difference in comparing the U.S. and New Zealand rests on some of the countries’ other characteristics. New Zealand does not have the right of gun ownership written into its constitution, which, no matter how you interpret the Second Amendment, certainly is an advantage in broad gun reform. The gun culture of New Zealand is not as steeped in its foundational myths as the gun culture of the U.S. is. Lobbying is not a constitutional right in New Zealand—it’s treated as somewhere between curiosity and a potentially pernicious phenomenon. Political campaign funding has lately become an issue, but it is not the case that donors have great sway over elected officials. There’s no powerful gun lobby to influence elections because even the political party contesting the most seats in the general election spends less than NZ$3 million (a little more than $2 million).

But with all those differences noted, a major factor in American democratic dysfunction is the sheer size of its demographics. It is hard to be a government for the people and by the people when the number of people approaches a third of a billion.
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On the plus side, our enormity and our strength do mean that when we get something right, even a little right, the benefits to us and to the world can be enormous. We’re like a huge conglomerate that might have a profit margin of only 1 percent, but we make up for it in volume. Then again, when we get it wrong, even when we get it a little wrong, even when the question is tough, it reverberates far and wide. Think of the Arab Spring. It was a legitimately tough call to decide which rulers to back, which insurgencies to oppose, whom to topple, whom to grudgingly support in the name of stability, and whom to attempt to weaken in the name of freedom. The U.S. certainly misstepped along the way, all hard-to-avoid errors that have far greater consequence than anything Sweden, Norway, Iceland, or New Zealand ever has the opportunity to accomplish.
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The New Zealand Constitution | New Zealand Now
We do not have a grand, overarching constitutional document like the Constitution of the USA. But we do have a constitution - it is just made up of different tools of power.

As in many countries with a heritage of British-style government, our constitution is spread across a range of formal documents, decisions and conventions. These include:

  • Acts of Parliament
  • legal documents (‘Letters Patent’)
  • decisions of the Courts
  • generally accepted practices or ‘conventions’.
Put together, these define what the major institutions of government are, what powers they have and how they can use them.

New Zealand is a parliamentary democracy
Many countries these days have a President. That can be a powerful role, as it is in the USA or South Africa, or it can be a more ceremonial role, as it is in Germany or Israel.

Other countries, like the UK and Malaysia, have a King or Queen whose role is also mainly ceremonial.

New Zealand’s constitutional setup is more like that of the UK and similar to what you will find in Australia and Canada.
I meet a lot of good immigrants who have taken the legal road to US Citizenship and work in industry - they often extol the virtues of the US and our way of government but express some quibbles with our specific Constitutional text or interpretation. I usually give them a US Constitution/Declaration of Independence pocket copy (I bought a case for $1 each way back) and tell them to draw a pencil line through the parts we didn’t need to be the country they wanted to emigrate to rather than Canada, England, etc.

They usually get it quickly. But I add that just because we don’t change the text doesn’t mean we all agree what it means. As Alexis de Tocqueville said in observation of the Americans in his 1835 Democracy in America, every American from all walks of life speaks of their government and politics rather than such discourse the being the work of an elite ruling class.
 

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LINK: Registration Always Leads to Confiscation - A Lesson From New Zealand - The Truth About Guns
...New Zealand doesn’t have direct registration of firearms either. Instead, they have registration of gun owners. Each owner must be permitted to lawfully own a firearm. So the government knows who has what through gun store records and what category of license they posses.

So the government knows that there are 245,000 firearms licenses and of those; 7,500 are E-Category licences and 485 are dealers. From dealer records they know that there are 13,500 firearms which require the owner to have an E Category license. This is effectively the known number of “military-style” semi-automatics (MSSAs) before today’s changes....
 

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I meet a lot of good immigrants who have taken the legal road to US Citizenship and work in industry - they often extol the virtues of the US and our way of government but express some quibbles with our specific Constitutional text or interpretation. I usually give them a US Constitution/Declaration of Independence pocket copy (I bought a case for $1 each way back) and tell them to draw a pencil line through the parts we didin’t need to be the country they wanted to emigrate to rather than Canada, England, etc.

They usually get it quickly. But I add that just because we don’t change the text doesn’t mean we all agree on what is means. As Alexis de Tocqueville said in observation of Americans in his 1835 Democracy in America, every American from all walks of life talks about government and politics as a daily point of conversation rather than restricting such discourse to the elite ruling class. I don’t wear a MAGA hat - I need a AISG hate “America Is Still Great.”
Thank you for your post!

When I was sitting in various refugee camps in 1980's, filled with tens of thousands of refugees from all around the world, NOBODY was talking about illegal immigration. Everyone was waiting for the process to take place. There were families in camps waiting for 5 years, single guys stinking in the camp for 7 years because they did not say right things during the interview. American Embassy, back then!, was asking basic questions; Were you a member of the communist party? Did you ever build any explosive device? Did you ever participate in any terrorist activity? There were dudes who thought that they will "speed up the process" by saying that they hate communism and they would fight it all over the world. That was considered dangerous and as a result they were not accepted. Once this was revealed to refugees all refugees became sheep and all questions were answered with 'No!". Such reality led to funny situations when mujahadeens from Afghanistan who were fighting Soviets for years were answering "No". Back then people were coming to America because they were fed up with communism. There were some small percentages of economic migrants, like always, but most of the people left everything they had at home and went for America!

They are now American citizens and they will never vote for communism in America.
 

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My admittedly limited experience with US citizens of former communist nations is they hate communism, love America but espouse communist thinking. Almost like they're all for communism as long as it's a western government that's running the show.
 

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Are you implying that, mayhaps, women wouldn't make the best candidates for leadership positions such as Prime Minister? [devil]
Let's make sure we understand the lesson learned here! Madeleine Albright, slave of Hillary, who is now traveling all around the world promoting liberal hate behind our backs decided 20 years ago to bomb 14 targets in Serbia. This non-sense decision costed American taxpayers few billions $ and it led to artificial creation of " an independent" entity called Kosovo. This Kosovo is now controlled by you know who. How did we react to that fact? We have dragged to international courts many Serbs and some Croats and only very few Albanians in order to accuse them from war crimes. We have broken all international treaties and we have broken our own NATO rules. We came to that "bombing decision" in few days. We were never called to any court and nobody here remembers what we have done 20 years ago anymore.

Yet, we are all alarmed when we see one lady taking guns from all men in few days.

Constitution becomes a paper when nobody is defending it. We can say "AISG" but what was so great we have done lately? Anybody?
 

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I had an older physics teacher in HS that hated Stalin with a vengence I'd never seen before. Most of her extended family was killed in WWII and by the government right after it ended. A group of us actually traveled to Russia with her in 1999 to see St Petersburgh and Moscow.
 

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My admittedly limited experience with US citizens of former communist nations is they hate communism, love America but espouse communist thinking. Almost like they're all for communism as long as it's a western government that's running the show.
Wait for Boris! [slap]

You think like this because you did not pay attention. Yes, they are some who would fit the profile you have outlined here, but the great majority can teach you about communism if you will only STFU, put down your phone and pay attention.

Since you represent a different opinion, please, give me few examples which would support your statement. Maybe we will correct your opinion together. [cheers]
 

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I had an older physics teacher in HS that hated Stalin with a vengence I'd never seen before. Most of her extended family was killed in WWII and by the government right after it ended. A group of us actually traveled to Russia with her in 1999 to see St Petersburgh and Moscow.
Communism has nothing to do with the country, as you can clearly see now. Communism is a religion. Once it is accepted, countries and people in them die.
Communism did not die, it only metastasized in America and Europe after it tricked us. Communism is actually growing and the country we owe $, China, is a communist country with "human face". This human face is what Bernie and his bunch of idiots call Green New Deal. Green New Deal is nothing else but death to our lifestyle and out believes. Bernie and AOC will be all eaten by their own communist believers just like Stalin was.....
 
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U.N. rights forum condemns Israel over deadly Gaza protests | Reuters

The vote was 23 states in favor, 8 against, with 15 abstentions and one delegation absent.

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Voting against the move were Australia, Austria, Brazil, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Fiji, Hungary, and Ukraine. Sixteen countries abstained, including India, Iceland, Italy, Denmark, and the United Kingdom.

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Wait for Boris! [slap]

You think like this because you did not pay attention. Yes, they are some who would fit the profile you have outlined here, but the great majority can teach you about communism if you will only STFU, put down your phone and pay attention.

Since you represent a different opinion, please, give me few examples which would support your statement. Maybe we will correct your opinion together. [cheers]
Mostly not having a good understanding of the bill of rights and why its important, being ok with extensive gov services and benefits and imo being too accepting of government control of every little aspect of everyday life.
(I'm paraphrasing to try to avoid writing a book via phone)
-"why cant the police just stop people and check their stuff/cars? Too much drugs, crime,etc. I have nothing to hide they can check me..."
-"crazy that people have guns, why do they need them? Police and army should have guns but that's it."
-"gov has plenty of money, they should pay for xyz"

FWIW ppl I'm referencing are Bosnian, Cuban, Chinese and Cambodian. Pretty common among the Hispanics I've come across as well. Bosnian was more accepting of firearm ownership but kind of fuddy. Hispanics tend to be more "gov should pay for everything " types in my experience.
 
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Mostly not having a good understanding of the bill of rights and why its important, being ok with extensive giving services and benefits and imo being too accepting of government control of every little aspect of everyday life.
(I'm paraphrasing to try to avoid writing a book via phone)
-"why cant the police just stop people and check their stuff/cars? Too much drugs, crime,etc. I have nothing to hide they can check me..."
-"crazy that people have guns, why do they need them? Police and army should have guns but that's it."
-"gov has plenty of money, they should pay for xyz"

FWIW ppl I'm referencing are Bosnian, Cuban, Chinese and Cambodian. Pretty common among the Hispanics I've come across as well. Bosnian was more accepting of firearm ownership but kind of fuddy. Hispanics tend to be more "gov should pay for everything " types in my experience.
I agree with you. You see only one sample, though.

Communism was producing refugees to America from 1918. America also took many "progressive democrats" who were victims of the communist brutality. Cambodia is such an example. We all saw "Killing Fields". That was a pure killing over there and we have taken everyone we could get.

I have a very limited experience with Cubans, Chinese and Cambodians. I have trained Vietnamese back then and I think LA riots show that they may be thinking differently than others. :)

Bosnia is very specific. I will not comment on it any further.

My experience is with Russians, Ukrainians, Polish, Slovaks, Croats, Serbs, Afghans, Syrians, Hungarians, Germans. I do not think they want communism here!

People will always have different opinions about government. Some like strong government and some want no government. That is not a communism. Communism starts when you go and take what is not yours.
 

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That is not what media is telling us:
Imam Tells New Zealand: ‘We Are Not Broken’
Fouda also acknowledged New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern for “Holding our families close and honoring us with a simple scarf. He said the prime minister’s leadership was “a lesson for the world.”

Women around New Zealand wore headscarves Friday to show their support and respect for the Muslim community.

Reuters reports that female police officers at the outdoor service also donned headscarves and wore a red rose on their uniforms.

Ardern has been swift in her reaction to the bloody attack on the mosque.

Weapons ban

She imposed an immediate ban on all military-style semi-automatic and automatic assault rifles.

The ban, which the prime minister announced Thursday in Wellington, includes high-capacity magazines, which can hold multiple rounds of ammunition, and accessories that can convert ordinary rifles into fast-acting assault rifles. Ardern said she imposed the sales ban to prevent stockpiling and that a complete ban on the weapons would be implemented after new laws take effect.

Ardern also announced a large-scale buyback scheme to encourage owners of such weapons to surrender them to authorities. She said the government could spend up to $140 million to buy back guns from owners who turn them in. The military and police would be exempt, as would pest control businesses. New Zealand police said on their website a “transitional period” would allow people to turn in their guns without penalty.

Parliament is expected to approve the proposed laws when it reconvenes in mid-April.

Authorities have charged 28-year-old Australian Brenton Harrison Tarrant with murder in connection with the March 15 attacks on the al-Noor and Linwood mosques. The self-proclaimed white nationalist did not enter a plea in his initial court appearance the day after the attack. His next court appearance is April 5.
 
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Thank you for your post!

When I was sitting in various refugee camps in 1980's, filled with tens of thousands of refugees from all around the world, NOBODY was talking about illegal immigration. Everyone was waiting for the process to take place. There were families in camps waiting for 5 years, single guys stinking in the camp for 7 years because they did not say right things during the interview. American Embassy, back then!, was asking basic questions; Were you a member of the communist party? Did you ever build any explosive device? Did you ever participate in any terrorist activity? There were dudes who thought that they will "speed up the process" by saying that they hate communism and they would fight it all over the world. That was considered dangerous and as a result they were not accepted. Once this was revealed to refugees all refugees became sheep and all questions were answered with 'No!". Such reality led to funny situations when mujahadeens from Afghanistan who were fighting Soviets for years were answering "No". Back then people were coming to America because they were fed up with communism. There were some small percentages of economic migrants, like always, but most of the people left everything they had at home and went for America!

They are now American citizens and they will never vote for communism in America.
What you say is true in my experience.

The problem with our current wave of illegals invading the country is that many of not most of them are here for the free stuff. They intend to go home eventually. They send their paychecks home and live in rooms with a dozen other people.

I knew a Brazlian dishwasher back a few years ago at the local watering hole I would frequent after work. I got to know him. He said he loved his home. But there was no work, at least no work that paid as well as washing dishes at a bar (!!!). Anyway, each week he sent his paycheck home and his wife bought another cow. His plan was to go home after a year and be a land owner with lots of cows.

The problem is, we need guys like that. But he wasn’t able to get his wife in legally and, frankly, he liked Brazil better. I’ve never been, so I can’t say whether he is right or not. His choice. To each his own.

I do know this. If I had found myself born in one of those shitholes, I’d do all I could to get my wife and kids to America, ASAP, legally or not.

If Europe had a land route to America, those refugee camps would have emptied quick as they simply would run across the border. Entering through a port and getting on a ship are things that are a bit more complicated.
 

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Egyptian Teenager's Actions Save Schoolchildren from Italy Bus Attack | Egyptian Streets

An Egyptian teenager was revealed to have aided and saved 51 schoolchildren in Milan when a bus driver hijacked the vehicle and set it on fire.

Quick-thinking Ramy Shehatah, a 13 year old, hid his phone when the driver had taken the other students’ phones and managed to make a call asking for assistance while feigning to pray in Arabic while he contacted his father who then contacted police authorities.

The driver, 47-year-old Ousseynou Sy, an Italian of Senegalese origin, had hijacked the vehicle, removed the hammers to break glass and doused the bus in petrol as his plan was to set the school bus on fire.

The incident occurred on Wednesday; Shehatah’s efforts were essential to the rescue of the abducted as he gave instructions of the bus’ location.

BBC reports that Sy had told the students that no-one would survive the attack which he was carrying out in protest for African migrant deaths at sea.

Italian police forces located the bus, forced it to stop and broke the rear glass windows to remove the children from danger.

Shehatah, who was born in 2005 in Italy despite not having official citizenship documentation, was hailed as a “hero” by his classmates.

“My son did his duty, it would be nice if he got Italian citizenship now,” he told the news agency. “We would love to stay in this country. When I met him yesterday I hugged him hard,” said Shehata’s father as per Italian news agency, Ansa.

In a bid to reward Shehata, the office of Italian Interior Minister Matteo Salvini said it would speed up his citizenship acquisition process.

“The Interior Ministry is ready to take on the expenses and speed up the procedures to recognize citizenship for the little hero. The hope is to attribute [… ]citizenship to Ramy and remove it from the bus driver,” said a statement from the interior ministry.
 

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What you say is true in my experience.

The problem with our current wave of illegals invading the country is that many of not most of them are here for the free stuff. They intend to go home eventually. They send their paychecks home and live in rooms with a dozen other people.

I knew a Brazlian dishwasher back a few years ago at the local watering hole I would frequent after work. I got to know him. He said he loved his home. But there was no work, at least no work that paid as well as washing dishes at a bar (!!!). Anyway, each week he sent his paycheck home and his wife bought another cow. His plan was to go home after a year and be a land owner with lots of cows.

The problem is, we need guys like that. But he wasn’t able to get his wife in legally and, frankly, he liked Brazil better. I’ve never been, so I can’t say whether he is right or not. His choice. To each his own.

I do know this. If I had found myself born in one of those shitholes, I’d do all I could to get my wife and kids to America, ASAP, legally or not.

If Europe had a land route to America, those refugee camps would have emptied quick as they simply would run across the border. Entering through a port and getting on a ship are things that are a bit more complicated.
Yes. This is now. I agree.

We have opened the house and the rest of the world thinks we are having some unsupervised yard sale. They come, check out the goods, and when they see no price, and no one is watching over them, they just take what they need and leave.
 
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