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The more I see what they’re doing down there, the happier I am that we’ve got a BoR. And not just for the second amendment, either.

Without rock-solid, written constitutional protections and the vigilance to make sure they stay protected, these “free democracies” are just one law away from losing virtually everything that makes liberty mean anything.
 

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The more I see what they’re doing down there, the happier I am that we’ve got a BoR. And not just for the second amendment, either.

Without rock-solid, written constitutional protections and the vigilance to make sure they stay protected, these “free democracies” are just one law away from losing virtually everything that makes liberty mean anything.
We need to stay very vigilant and band together to support these sacred documents.
 

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If the US falls consider the whole world as entering a drastically different and final stage. We are the lynch pin whether low voter turnout, highest incarceration or any other reasoning.
 

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Lowest voter turnout among developed democracies, so it’s even more arguable.
If the US falls consider the whole world as entering a drastically different and final stage. We are the lynch pin whether low voter turnout, highest incarceration or any other reasoning.
And we’re not even a democracy.
 

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That’s true. The US in practice is an oligarchy.
Whatever you call it it doesn't really matter historically speaking. Whether tribes to civilizations, Israel to Babylon, Babylon to Medes, Medes to Persians, Persians to Greeks, Greeks to Romans, Romans to Visigoths, Visigoths to the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church to Germany and all of budding Europe, Europe to England, and England finally to the USA......a temporary viewpoint is myopic at best. Oligarchies or Feudal systems as well.

Acts 17:26-27
“And He made from one every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, determining beforehand their appointed seasons and the boundaries of their dwelling,
That they might seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, even though He is not far from each one of us;”

There is a reason there is such a massive amount of firearms in this country right now and that hasn’t even been stymied even a tiddle. How much more building and production goes on today?
 

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Most are in jail for selling drugs. Based on that I disagree - most are not real criminals, they have just fallen prey to moralistic policy makers.
I’m sure you can be more specific with that stance rather than “drugs” as a catch all. Think about opioids, bath salts, heroin, cocaine and all other seriously foul drugs. Who should pay for that? Considering the damage is of vital importance. I’ve no issue with weed.
 

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We can make sure they move into your neighborhood. A safe space for them.
I already live in that kind of town (worse actually) so nothing would really change. If people aren't stealing shit, hurting people, or molesting people, then why should I
care?

-Mike
 

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Many of them are substituting madhouses.
No, most of those people are just plain roaming around, after the hospitals etc closed.... where do you think most of these spree shooters etc come
from? It would seem to me that our priorities are a little f***ed in who we lock up in this country...

-Mike
 

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I already live in that kind of town (worse actually) so nothing would really change. If people aren't stealing shit, hurting people, or molesting people, then why should I
care?

-Mike
I agree as long as they’re not doing those things and especially not to your loved ones. You did say diddler though.....
 

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Getting myself back on topic it is because of bad behavior that such a thing in NZ happened wrt gun control. Tarrant fed the beast by a cruel action. You have to be mentally unstable to do such a thing, yea even possessed. I can’t justify the PM and her cronies’ reactionary severity. It is absolutely expected. If it happens more here then the same reaction and I hope it doesn’t. Everybody nowadays is a “mad as hell and I’m gonna take it anymore!” kinda person either from one facet or another.
 

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No, most of those people are just plain roaming around, after the hospitals etc closed.... where do you think most of these spree shooters etc come
from? It would seem to me that our priorities are a little f***ed in who we lock up in this country...

-Mike
There are too many of them roamin around.
 

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Only 530 semi-automatic guns handed over, police say

Only 530 semi-automatic guns handed over, police say

I'd like to think that they will never turn them in whatever the price

New figures show gun owners are holding back on handing in their firearms, because they're waiting to hear how much the Government will pay for them

Figures released to Newstalk ZB by the New Zealand Police showed that, as of Sunday night, only 530 guns had been handed in since the ban on semi-automatic guns was finalised in early April.

There are around 250,000 licenced firearm holders in New Zealand and it's estimated as many as 300,000 guns could now be illegal.

It comes as gun owners are waiting on any details around compensation for their guns.

Police Minister Stuart Nash said in April that regulations, including a price list, would be considered by Cabinet by the end of May.

Nicole McKee, Secretary of the Council of Licensed Firearm Owners, told Heather du Plessis-Allan that there had not been any communication from Government about prices for the buyback.

"If they are being serious about their considerations and ensuring that there is fair and reasonable compensation, then firearm owners will wait a bit longer to make sure it is just and it is fair when it is received."..SNIP
 
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