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Which Presidential candidate do you support?

From "Meatballs" 1979

... And even if we win, if we win, HAH! Even if we play so far above our heads that our noses bleed for a week to ten days; even if God in Heaven above points his hand at our side of the field; even if every man woman and child joined hands together and prayed for us to win, it just wouldn't matter because all the really good looking girls would still go out with the guys from Mohawk because they've got all the money! It just doesn't matter if we win or if we lose. IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!
Rest of group: IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER! IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER...

The longer I live, the more I'm convinced it just doesn't matter.

I would want a great scholar, someone with several advanced degrees, someone published, honest, and persuasive. Someone familiar with science, law, and international affairs. Someone who has experience in the military and has even fought in an armed conflict. A champion of civil rights. A proponent of personal responsibilty. Someone who can inspire us to embrace our countrymen with love and respect, and face the world with courage and honor.

However people of this caliber generally don't go into politics. I guess I'll have to settle for some as*h*le party shill.
 
Fred!

Besides R.P. being an unelectable fringe candidate, I cannot abide his "position" on Iraq. IMNSHO a vote for R.P. in the primary is a vote for the big 3 RINOs. I think Fred is the only remotely conservative candidate who can take on and beat both the RINOs and whichever socialist pig the Dems put up.
 
None...Republican,Conservative,Democrat,Liberal,Libertarian,Socialist..they are all the same.

They are ALL self serving egotistical meglomaniacs hell bent on destroying America.They will say and do anything to fool the sheeple to think they have their best interests in mind.Please don't be fooled,NONE of these stick figures are out to make this once great country even better.They want to get into office for one reason,and one reason only.To better themselves,their friends and the corporations which fund their political machine.

f*** 'em all,we need to start over.the 2 party system has become a scam thrown at the American people to make us believe our vote effects change.
 
If Ron Paul would only say something like " yeah , we're leaving Iraq. .... But if they start screwing around while we're out I am going to kill everyone. " - I'd vote for him twice.

Otherwise - I am thoroughly un inspired. I'll just vote against the Democrat , same as ever.
 
Fred Thompson has polled consistently well without even having announced (until yesterday) with little campaigning and money. Now that he's announced, his fundraising should go up tremendously and more voters will begin learning about him.

I believe Fred Thompson is the best and most realistic shot we have at not having Hillbama McGuiliani in office.
 
squarooticus said:
I've stopped voting in federal elections: even if I weren't forced to choose between the lesser of two evils, the act of voting itself lends implicit legitimacy to a federal government I believe should not exist.

That said, I will vote in the Republican primary for Ron Paul.
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I don't want to take this thread completely off topic but the same Constitution that established RKBA also establishes the federal government.

So are you selectively choosing which parts of the Constitution are right and which should be ignored?

As for Ron Paul, he has no chance and never will.
 
1) Every vote matters...I tell everyone that I know that says it doesn't matter they are nuts. If they refuse to vote...then I just say don't complain. If you won't try to help fix it then you're part of the problem. Apathy is definitely alive and well in America...especially in Massachusetts.

2) Fred wasn't as conservative in the way he voted as he was in the way he represented himself in the senate. Be careful...I say this guy is a RINO (Republican in name only).

3) Bottomline, it is frustrating and a difficult decision as the only people that are in politics today are wealthy, don't need the work but feel as though they need the "power". It is truly a decision of the lesser of 2 evils. I vote republican as I am very conservative and still believe that party is closer to what I believe...it's just sucks that Bush lost his mind a while back...maybe the pressure of the job??? We have a 2 party system and need to keep it that way...if one party controls the legislature then the other party needs to control the White House. Neither party can, has or will ever benefit the citizens while in control of both!

4) Obama is weak...Hillary is a closet socialist...Edwards is a liberal exploitive attorney that won't admit what he is...the Gov from New Mexico is just nuts...neither party has anyone really worthy of the office...unfortunately.

5) Pat Paulson for President!!
 
On the Republican side...Ron Paul (not yet 100% convinced on Fred Thompson...just a horrible feeling that we're going to end up with a Bush clone...but I would be happy to be proven wrong). On the Dem side I would vote for Bill Richardson.

However, since it's likely to be a Clinton / Romney '08 election does anyone want to go halfs on a cave in Montanna with me?
 
Thompson is the best combination of a realistic contender who has favorable RKBA views. That is one of the main clinchers for me.
 
I have been, and still am, for Hunter. A decorated vet, good position on immigration and guns, a real Conservative
 
vellnueve said:
I don't want to take this thread completely off topic but the same Constitution that established RKBA also establishes the federal government.
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LOL. My right to bear arms exists independently of the US constitution. It is a natural human right. Any other position makes the entire concept of "rights" meaningless, because everything you have is then a privilege granted to you by some document or benevolent dictator.

Kyle
 
Carguy said:
1) Every vote matters...I tell everyone that I know that says it doesn't matter they are nuts. If they refuse to vote...then I just say don't complain. If you won't try to help fix it then you're part of the problem.
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Please. Spare me your sanctimony. Not voting is often done with a purpose. In fact, I don't vote in federal elections for a purpose: because I reject the legitimacy of the entire system, and will not participate in the sham.

Kyle
 
Personally I am not sure the current crop of candidates will be able to beat Hillary or Obama in a general election. There seems to be a massive political shift underway in this country, starting in 2006, away from conservative politics. It does not look good for the Republican chances in 2008, in state and federal elections. If pollster are correct in their findings, it might be a rough road ahead for gunowners if the shift sweeps in the Democrats in complete control of the government.
 
lightbulb1976 said:
Personally I am not sure the current crop of candidates will be able to beat Hillary or Obama in a general election. There seems to be a massive political shift underway in this country, starting in 2006, away from conservative politics. It does not look good for the Republican chances in 2008, in state and federal elections. If pollster are correct in their findings, it might be a rough road ahead for gunowners if the shift sweeps in the Democrats in complete control of the government.
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Lightbulb...I understand what you're saying but if we believed the pollsters then why isn't Kerry president? As they say it ain't over til it's over. I think the dems may just win the white house this time but I don't think this country is ready to elect a "person of color" or a woman president. So many people are afraid of an inexperienced, black president (Obama) and a socialist woman riding on her husband's legacy (Hillary) you just might be surprised by the republican support in the end. I'm not saying it is right, just that when it comes to middle America voting there are still alot of prejudices out there.

One can only hope!
 
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Carguy said:
Lightbulb...I understand what you're saying but if we believed the pollsters then why isn't Kerry president? As they say it ain't over til it's over. I think the dems may just win the white house this time but I don't think this country is ready to elect a "person of color" or a woman president. So many people are afraid of an inexperienced, black president (Obama) and a socialist woman riding on her husband's legacy (Hillary) you just might be surprised by the republican support in the end. I'm not saying it is right, just that when it comes to middle America voting there are still alot of prejudices out there.

One can only hope!
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I agree. Not many people are talking about it but I don't think either Hillary or Obama (especially Hillary) can withstand 1+ years of the spotlight directed solely on them. Hillary's sociallistic and criminal past is going to be brought before the nation in a big way. Well, hopefully. Much like Kerry in 04 but Hillary has much more in her closet than just being a socialist.

Put Hillary up against someone like Mitt (with no skeletons and a somewhat down to earth stance on policy) and I think she gets beat up pretty bad.

I think is going to be fun to watch her lose.
 
lightbulb1976 said:
Personally I am not sure the current crop of candidates will be able to beat Hillary or Obama in a general election. There seems to be a massive political shift underway in this country, starting in 2006, away from conservative politics. It does not look good for the Republican chances in 2008, in state and federal elections. If pollster are correct in their findings, it might be a rough road ahead for gunowners if the shift sweeps in the Democrats in complete control of the government.
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I think you, as do a lot of other people, misread the polls and the 2006 results. It was an anti Republican, but not necessarily anti conservative election. Several of the new Congressmen were "Blue Dog Democrats" from the south. They ran against the incumbants on two key issues. One was wasteful spending, and the other was corruption. Most of the new Congressmen ran as MORE conservative than the Republicans they were up against. They ran as pro war, pro 2A candidates, that would bring fiscal responsibility and honesty to Washington. The fact that most of them are pro war is borne out by the inability of Pelosi to get her anti war platform through the house. Several of the Blue Dogs crossed the aisle to vote against those bills.

The surge is showing signs of working and several Democrats are now backpedalling on their previous stance. Those that aren't trying to undermine Patraeus, that is. Different topic.

One advantage that Thompson does have is that he's been out of Washington for several years. He is at least perceived to have an outside the beltway view point, while still having inside the beltway contacts and savvy.

2008 is going to be a very interesting election year.
 
Dr. Ron Paul

I am supporting only presidential candidate I have ever been excited about.

Ron Paul is the real deal. He is a true American patriot.

As a US Congressman, he took an oath to uphold the Constitution and he takes that responsibility very seriously.

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. Treasury every year.
 

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