My son has become interested in a rifle being developed by Ian and Karl from InRange TV. I am curious if anyone else has seen this and has any comments on it.
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The thread I was expecting as well................................................spark one up?
I watched the 2017 version and I do like some of their ideas/findings. However, stoner absolutely would have put on a collapsible stock in modern times. A1 length is great for bladed shooting and competition, but not with squared off modern shooting in CQB situations.
Karl addressed this point in various videos, some in the WWSD project series and in other unrelated videos: most shooters, and most shooters tend to be adult males between 18-60, set their collapsible stock lengths to A1 stock length. Additionally, the goal of the project is to keep the guns as simple as possible, which implies sometimes sacrificing modularity for simplicity and lightness. One way of combining these reasons would be that "the lowest common denominator of user won't sufficiently derive enough utility to justify a collapsible stock."
Another factory may be that Ian and Karl live in southern Arizona where the clothing selection goes from t-shirt --> polo shirt --> Hawaiian shirt --> maybe a hoodie. They don't live in New England or Alaska where its quite possible for weather to be 80-90 degrees during the day down to 40-45 degrees at night or in the early morning. That happened quite a lot during October when I lived in NH. Meaning, they might not see the desirability of having a collapsible stock because of changing clothing. I also think that they're operating under the premise that most people don't have armor or night vision, which, most people don't.
I personally prefer collapsible stocks but that's Karl's reasoning, which is to keep it simple and that most people don't adjust the stocks too much anyways.
Yeah, I know what they said. And they’re right for most civilian shooting. But the military needs collapsible stocks for squared off shooting. It has less to do with clothing and body armor, and more to do with modern shooting stances for shooting on the move while also presenting your front plate perpendicular to your threat. A1 length is not good for this unless you’re an orangutan, because your support hand will be too far forward.
The whole point of the WWSD project is for civilian consumers, not .mil or law enforcement. So, their needs aren't relevant to the project.
I thought the point was what would stoner design if he were designing the AR-15 now. The AR-15 was designed with military intentions. If WWSD is specifically “what would stoner do for civilians” and I missed them discuss that qualification, then I agree with their fixed stock choice ... for the most part.
It's nice to know that there are some other NESers familiar with this project.
The bummer is that we probably will not be able to get them in Mass.