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What *could* pass?

Murder or wounding with a firearm also known as "gun violence".

no, its not.

When someone gets killed with a car, do they call it car violence?

If a guy beats someone to death with an axe, do they call it axe violence?

If someone gets stabbed with a knife, do they call it knife violence?

of course not

Because "Gun Violence" is a shit made up term by antis, thats the only reason it exists at all.
 
no, its not.

When someone gets killed with a car, do they call it car violence?

If a guy beats someone to death with an axe, do they call it axe violence?

If someone gets stabbed with a knife, do they call it knife violence?

of course not

Because "Gun Violence" is a shit made up term by antis, thats the only reason it exists at all.
What is your prefered phrase for murders or wounding when that murder or wounding is accomplished by someone with a firearm?
 
What is your prefered phrase for murders or wounding when that murder or wounding is accomplished by someone with a firearm?

Why the need to delineate? It's not really important most of the time. Even calling it "A shooting" is less retarded, if one was a media type.

"Gun Violence" is just a shit term designed to blame objects and imbue firearms with extroardinary or "special" powers that they simply don't have.
 
Why the need to delineate? It's not really important most of the time. Even calling it "A shooting" is less retarded, if one was a media type.

"Gun Violence" is just a shit term designed to blame objects and imbue firearms with extroardinary or "special" powers that they simply don't have.
Ok, regardless of what term you prefer and how you see the problem, there was, yet again, another high-profile school shooting (or whatever you want to call that) and the press and politicians and social media is all aglow with the usual shit that we have to deal with. So the question is, what to we do? And Sir, I understand that you don't want to do anything so this question is for others. The do nothing approach seems not likely to last forever. I say, the gun community should come to the table, tell them all the shit we want. Tell them what we can tolerate in return. The Dems and GOP write up a draft bill and ... it probably goes nowhere as the Dems likely won't agree. Then we can blame things on them rather than the other way around.
 
Hilarious

You're leftist emotional argument is reduced to dust by the facts and all you can resort to is a personal attack?

[rofl]
I don't know what you are talking about. Did I make an argument? Why do you think I am a leftist? You don't even know me.
 
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That's the edgy response sure- it was when I asked for one the interfering with am investigation and obstruction of justice threats came out.

It also wasn't lost on me that this started at 5:04 and the only attorney I knew wasn't available. I now keep 4 firearms attorneys in my phone.

At the end of the day I kept the collection I owned prior to the incident while this played out, had I gone the warrant route I would have had my home sacked and had all my firearms taken as well as likely a license revocation for failure to comply with the police.

I actually filed a report with my local pd on this complaining about the other PD and was told "police can't break the law" and "they have the power to do anything they want in their invesitigation"

Clearly not true, but also sends a message my ltc would have been under threat and a warrant was a penstroke away.
If it was me I would have done it "the hard way" and gambled on a lottery payout for illegal search and seizure.
 
NPR news people just said assault weapon ban and high capacity mag ban are off the table, lots of exasperations and frustrated sighs. Dems don't think they have the 60 votes. Still trying to get the federal red flag law going though.
I'm shocked!

I'm glad nobody bet me because I would have lost.

After all those dead children and they still can't get an AWB or high capacity mag ban?

The 2A is pretty much still intact.
 
Hilarious

You're leftist emotional argument is reduced to dust by the facts and all you can resort to is a personal attack?

[rofl]
It's all the Left has. Their vocabulary is small. Hitler, Hater, Racist, and several others they simply repeat, and repeat. The Left is not interested in debating anything. They are only interested in destroying the Constitution, re-making America as a Socialist Nation, open borders and will not stop unless confronted and stopped.

I know I say this often but its all on the line now. This Country simply must rise up and face head on the dangers of the Left and their ill intent on this Country.
 
Ok, regardless of what term you prefer and how you see the problem, there was, yet again, another high-profile school shooting (or whatever you want to call that) and the press and politicians and social media is all aglow with the usual shit that we have to deal with. So the question is, what to we do? And Sir, I understand that you don't want to do anything so this question is for others. The do nothing approach seems not likely to last forever. I say, the gun community should come to the table, tell them all the shit we want. Tell them what we can tolerate in return. The Dems and GOP write up a draft bill and ... it probably goes nowhere as the Dems likely won't agree. Then we can blame things on them rather than the other way around.
Come to the Table?

The gun community should stand up and tip the fvcking table over, grab these leftists by their damned necks and start publicly hanging the commie bastards that have infiltrated our government offices.

The leftists already know what we want, and that is for them to shut the fvck up and stop harassing and threatening gun owners and their protected rights, yet every day, they continue to sharpen their pointy stick and keep poking.

We ( the gun community) don't have to tolerate ANYTHING from these gun grabbing scumbags other than the stench of their rotting corpses.

You're about fifty years late to the party compared to a goodly number of people here and your suggestions on what the gun community should do have all been tried, time and time again......it falls on leftists deaf ears. They have an agenda to rid the United States of guns, AT ANY COST, AT ANY LEVEL OF OUTRAGE AND DAMAGE, including murdering people's kids.

When they're done murdering people's kids to invoke outrage and garner public support of the spineless sheep, and still don't achieve their agenda, then they'll move on to outright murdering gun owners.

Be prepared to defend yourself and your family because nobody in government is coming to save you, they'll be coming to kill you. 1654335432430.png 1654335473108.png 1654335494494.png 1654335517045.png

Here's a little glimpse of the goon squads, looking for a criminal, Don't ever think they won't be doing the same thing for the same paycheck when gun owners become the next target and they're ordered by their superiors to oppress your rights.

Here's just one link about how much of LE thinks to enlighten you to the widespread mindset of LE regarding guns/laws. You can rest assured that this mindset is shared across the country.

 
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While it's technically possible to implement private sale background check in a way which does not facilitate confiscation, every proposal the democrats are willing to support lacks any such safeguards.
I don't think the FA or Const Carry has anything to do with background checks. Nobody wants criminals or crazy people to get guns. As long as it's quick, has transparent rules for who gets blocked, it would probably do some good.
Just because MA/NJ/IL/CA have caved on Universal Background Checks gunowner registration, doesn't mean the rest of us should go without a fight.

And that's what "Universal Background Checks" really are all about -- registration. First of gun owners, and then (because without it UBC cannot be enforced) of guns owned.
 
That's not really a helpful attitude. I'm sure I'd agree with you on most things but we don't want to brand our community with the sense that we don't care about gun violence and will do nothing. There are things we could do to make guns safer and keep them from crazies and criminals. If we are willing to do some of these things we could negotiate for other things we want and don't have.
Fall into traps much? You have to be joking.
 
Come to the Table?

The gun community should stand up and tip the fvcking table over, grab these leftists by their damned necks and start publicly hanging the commie bastards that have infiltrated our government offices.

The leftists already know what we want, and that is for them to shut the fvck up and stop harassing and threatening gun owners and their protected rights, yet every day, they continue to sharpen their pointy stick and keep poking.

We ( the gun community) don't have to tolerate ANYTHING from these gun grabbing scumbags other than the stench of their rotting corpses.

You're about fifty years late to the party compared to a goodly number of people here and your suggestions on what the gun community should do have all been tried, time and time again......it falls on leftists deaf ears. They have an agenda to rid the United States of guns, AT ANY COST, AT ANY LEVEL OF OUTRAGE AND DAMAGE, including murdering people's kids.

When they're done murdering people's kids to invoke outrage and garner public support of the spineless sheep, and still don't achieve their agenda, then they'll move on to outright murdering gun owners.

Be prepared to defend yourself and your family because nobody in government is coming to save you, they'll be coming to kill you.View attachment 623141View attachment 623142View attachment 623143View attachment 623144

Here's a little glimpse of the goon squads, looking for a criminal, Don't ever think they won't be doing the same thing for the same paycheck when gun owners become the next target and they're ordered by their superiors to oppress your rights.

Here's just one link about how much of LE thinks to enlighten you to the widespread mindset of LE regarding guns/laws. You can rest assured that this mindset is shared across the country.

@crookedteeth you need to read this out loud every single day
 
don't want to brand our community with the sense that we don't care about gun violence and will do nothing

Caring about gun violence, and putting freedoms, liberties, and possibly adding more violence by gun control is NOT the answer. It needs to be stopped in its tracks. Not "doing gun control" is NOT the same as doing nothing. Try arming teachers. That has not really been tried yet. It is better than "doing nothing". Why not, right?
 
Caring about gun violence, and putting freedoms, liberties, and possibly adding more violence by gun control is NOT the answer. It needs to be stopped in its tracks. Not "doing gun control" is NOT the same as doing nothing. Try arming teachers. That has not really been tried yet. It is better than "doing nothing". Why not, right?
Arming teachers isn't going to help, but not disarming them might.

Lots of people out there who really just shouldn't have a gun. Let the ones who can, do.
 
There has to be an exemption for Military.

There should be no exemption for military. Change the minimum age of enlistment to 21 as well.

You know what it is. People killing each other with guns.
Is that listed before or after knife violence, vehicular violence, and base ball bat violence?
aoh, and don’t forget fentanyl violence as it kills 100k or more a year.
No sorry, but frankly, f*** those people I'm done playing patty cake with them, I hope they get ass cancer and die in a fire. They are no different than child molesters to me.

I'm done "giving them concessions" especially given we get absolutely nothing back, every time.

"Gun violence" BTW is a shit weasel type term invented by antis, propogating it is horrible if you care about your rights.

This. Not one more law.

Bob
 
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Caring about gun violence, and putting freedoms, liberties, and possibly adding more violence by gun control is NOT the answer. It needs to be stopped in its tracks. Not "doing gun control" is NOT the same as doing nothing. Try arming teachers. That has not really been tried yet. It is better than "doing nothing". Why not, right?
I’ve tried talking to teachers about that. I’ve never met one who wasn’t outraged at the suggestion. Most teachers are women and are adamantly against guns, at least around here. I’ve suggested at least allowing teachers to be armed if they so choose but almost all were against that. Maybe parents said they wouldn’t send their kids to schools that had guns. Maybe in Alabama but not in the Communist State.
 
I’ve tried talking to teachers about that. I’ve never met one who wasn’t outraged at the suggestion. Most teachers are women and are adamantly against guns, at least around here. I’ve suggested at least allowing teachers to be armed if they so choose but almost all were against that. Maybe parents said they wouldn’t send their kids to schools that had guns. Maybe in Alabama but not in the Communist State.

You gotta get out more. I know three teachers in MA and one in NYS who carry on the daily.

Oh, and Maura? That's just me, "speaking hypothetically."
 
Silencers
Bump stocks
Full auto
There's a start.
Exactly. Could we get full auto? Sure. Of course, there would be a long process with checks but we could judge the pros and cons of any trade off.
You gotta get out more. I know three teachers in MA and one in NYS who carry on the daily.

Oh, and Maura? That's just me, "speaking hypothetically."
yeah. I am sure there are some. What I tell them is that if only 5% of teachers keep a gun locked in their desk (not even carry), it would be major problem for school shooters. They could shoot their way into the school, maybe shoot up one classroom but then they’d have a hard time going down the hallway to the next one. Teachers could defend the hallway pretty well in a concrete doorwell with any gun.
 
Ok, regardless of what term you prefer and how you see the problem, there was, yet again, another high-profile school shooting (or whatever you want to call that) and the press and politicians and social media is all aglow with the usual shit that we have to deal with. So the question is, what to we do? And Sir, I understand that you don't want to do anything so this question is for others. The do nothing approach seems not likely to last forever. I say, the gun community should come to the table, tell them all the shit we want. Tell them what we can tolerate in return. The Dems and GOP write up a draft bill and ... it probably goes nowhere as the Dems likely won't agree. Then we can blame things on them rather than the other way around.

That's never going to happen- they've never been willing to negotiate unless they're politically backed into a corner. (For example, when some states passed shall issue carry or con carry, they would throw wonky half anti fudds a few crumbs to get them to shut the f*** up to expedite the process.

Furthermore most of the things you could potentially negotiate for, you shouldn't. Most of them are things antis stole from us decades ago. That's like negotiating with terrorists. You seem to think these people are ever capable of acting in good faith. They're not. Their goal is full disarmament of individuals, any one of them that tells you otherwise is a goddamn liar.

These people shouldn't be negotiated with unless the negotiation involves how much prison time they're going to serve for human/civil rights violations.
 
That's never going to happen- they've never been willing to negotiate unless they're politically backed into a corner. (For example, when some states passed shall issue carry or con carry, they would throw wonky half anti fudds a few crumbs to get them to shut the f*** up to expedite the process.

Furthermore most of the things you could potentially negotiate for, you shouldn't. Most of them are things antis stole from us decades ago. That's like negotiating with terrorists. You seem to think these people are ever capable of acting in good faith. They're not. Their goal is full disarmament of individuals, any one of them that tells you otherwise is a goddamn liar.

These people shouldn't be negotiated with unless the negotiation involves how much prison time they're going to serve for human/civil rights violations.
Negotiate doesn’t mean compromise on anything you care about. Just change the political dynamics so that people blame Democrats for not compromising when kids die in school shootings.
 
Negotiate doesn’t mean compromise on anything you care about. Just change the political dynamics so that people blame Democrats for not compromising when kids die in school shootings.
For example, fix the broken background check system. Put background checks into the hands of private third parties. Use privacy preserving linkage so the government and other parties who have good reason to block people can do without knowing who applied for a gun. That’s a win, win as I see it. It means the government has even less info on who has guns but can still block criminals.
 
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