LittleCalm
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This is true. A lot could change in your record between renewals.An MA LTC is not a "hot", true, BG check. At least not for the purposes of any presumed federal law.
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This is true. A lot could change in your record between renewals.An MA LTC is not a "hot", true, BG check. At least not for the purposes of any presumed federal law.
When you eFA10 transfer a gun, doesn't the system check to see if each party's license is still valid? If it was revoked/suspended, wouldn't that show up? Otherwise, what's the point?This is true. A lot could change in your record between renewals.
I think you are correct. It would then have to widetstand a court challange.I think you might see 21 to buy rifles, handguns and all ammo
Then it would be 21 for all things "legal adult". So no more drafting high school senior boys. No more votes till 21 either and no more 18 year old barely legal teen videos.I think you are correct. It would then have to widetstand a court challange.
I think you are correct. It would then have to widetstand a court challange.
Yes. I said that a few dozen posts ago.
OP is asking what’s most likely, not what might work. UBC won’t do shit, especially in cases like the most recent two.
It does, but the point is it's a registry.When you eFA10 transfer a gun, doesn't the system check to see if each party's license is still valid? If it was revoked/suspended, wouldn't that show up? Otherwise, what's the point?
When you eFA10 transfer a gun, doesn't the system check to see if each party's license is still valid? If it was revoked/suspended, wouldn't that show up? Otherwise, what's the point?
Your LTC would have to be revoked and I imagine that if you have some legal issue as Mike notes above, any such revocation isn't happening in real time given the speed at which .gov gets around to dealing with paperwork.Yes, but it's not actually running a background check on you while you do this. It's EASILY possible for you to be under indictment for a felony in some other state, as an example, making you a fed PP while in that state of existence, and still have the little stupid plastic card and MA still thinking its valid. That's not a background checck, anyone who told you it was is a little
short upstairs. It's at best, a "probably not a bad guy/felon" card but its not absolute by any stretch.
You should have made them get a warrant. Or at least consult with an attorney before handing them overIt does, but the point is it's a registry.
I bought a collection of firearms off a acquaintance I used to shoot competitions with, he had an arrest for a nonviolent offense prior, and his attorney recommended selling his firearms before his ltc was revoked and the local pd took possession.
He turned said arms into a ffl where they sat for a few days, I paid the acquaintance a fee up front and picked up the arms a few days after they sat at the ffl.
His issuing PD tried to revoke his license a week after his initial arrest- 5 days after he transferred all arms out of his possession to the ffl. The pd showed up at his door without paperwork to take his arms, he indicated he no longer had them and graciously offered me up as the new holder.
I got a grumpy call from his pd demanding the arms, and was threatened with not complying with their investigation and obstruction if I didn't drive all MY arms I paid for, 4473d, and efa10d to them.
I "voulentarially" delivered said arms. And 48h after said delivery the origonal owner received his ltc suspension notice in the mail.
My ownership of the firearms as well as my efa10s was iirrelevant. I had to get a lawyer to get them out of police custody.
His arrest was dismissed as being unconstitutional, it was so clear cut the AGs office did not appeal.
All i heard throughout the process was bullshit about the database not being live and illegal transfers and shit. If I did something wrong, it means the efa10 system is crap, if I didn't do anything wrong, it means the efa10 system is useless.
That can get expensive, Jim (MFLR/SO) mentioned in an earlier thread that fighting a New Hampshire chief in a similar case back in 2010 ran him +$18K.You should have made them get a warrant. Or at least consult with an attorney before handing them over
You should have made them get a warrant. Or at least consult with an attorney before handing them over
You should have made them get a warrant. Or at least consult with an attorney before handing them over
That's the edgy response sure- it was when I asked for one the interfering with am investigation and obstruction of justice threats came out.
It also wasn't lost on me that this started at 5:04 and the only attorney I knew wasn't available. I now keep 4 firearms attorneys in my phone.
At the end of the day I kept the collection I owned prior to the incident while this played out, had I gone the warrant route I would have had my home sacked and had all my firearms taken as well as likely a license revocation for failure to comply with the police.
I actually filed a report with my local pd on this complaining about the other PD and was told "police can't break the law" and "they have the power to do anything they want in their invesitigation"
Clearly not true, but also sends a message my ltc would have been under threat and a warrant was a penstroke away.
Catch-22.
I'm a pragmatist. I'd have done what you did. You said you had to get a lawyer to get them back? How hard was that and about how much did it cost? Just out of curiosity.
That won't passi'm pretty sure there will be a nation wide ban on hi cap mags.
I don't think the FA or Const Carry has anything to do with background checks. Nobody wants criminals or crazy people to get guns. As long as it's quick, has transparent rules for who gets blocked, it would probably do some good.Well in MA, if each party had to get background checked to get the LTC, I would think the eFA10 system (with license verification) is already in compliance with "Universal Background Checks."
The challenge for them is how to enforce UBCs in "free states" where there's Constitutional Carry and no license per se'.
It's that last part that's going to be the deal breakerThen it would be 21 for all things "legal adult". So no more drafting high school senior boys. No more votes till 21 either and no more 18 year old barely legal teen videos.
That's not really a helpful attitude. I'm sure I'd agree with you on most things but we don't want to brand our community with the sense that we don't care about gun violence and will do nothing. There are things we could do to make guns safer and keep them from crazies and criminals. If we are willing to do some of these things we could negotiate for other things we want and don't have.Anyone pushing for gun control or supporting it in any way should be treated like the enemy combatants that they are.
I don't think it'll even take that much.
I think RINOs will eventually give in on UBCs because their calculus will tell them the Left will shut up if they just give them something. It won't work, either to stop violence or to shut up the Left.
I hope I'm wrong, but I can see it happening.
You know what it is. People killing each other with guns.Whats "Gun Violence"?
You sound like another reddit troll
Murder or wounding with a firearm also known as "gun violence".No, I really dont know what you're referring to.
If you're referring to Murder then say so
There's a legal basis for Murder/Assault/etc........"Gun Violence" is leftist emotional blather
Bend overThat's not really a helpful attitude. I'm sure I'd agree with you on most things but we don't want to brand our community with the sense that we don't care about gun violence and will do nothing. There are things we could do to make guns safer and keep them from crazies and criminals. If we are willing to do some of these things we could negotiate for other things we want and don't have.
Do you people have no one to fight with at home?Really
Where in statute is that defined?
Its not....
That's not really a helpful attitude. I'm sure I'd agree with you on most things but we don't want to brand our community with the sense that we don't care about gun violence and will do nothing. There are things we could do to make guns safer and keep them from crazies and criminals. If we are willing to do some of these things we could negotiate for other things we want and don't have.
There's a legal basis for Murder/Assault/etc........"Gun Violence" is leftist emotional blather