What *could* pass?

[Quantavious G]

Yeah, that’ll work. About as effectively as trying to abort a 50 year old.

if everyone but the Border Patrol is going to be content setting up perimeters, they can limit mags to 5 rounds and the shooter will have plenty of time to keep swapping mags.

 

[Quantavious G]

A UBC is nothing more than a roundabout gun registry. A person doesn't submit to a firearms UBC for any other reason to purchase a firearm.
The .gov might not know exactly what you have, but they know you have something.

So they'll visit your house with 3 MRAPs instead of 1

 

[drgrant]

As a result of the Uvalde school shooting, there are the typical calls for more gun control, bans on ARs, UBCs, etc...

Most of those things have been tried and rejected in the past.

What *could* get passed? Maybe something nationwide like what MA's LTC does, which is "non-large-capacity long guns" at 18, but got to be 21 for handguns or semi-auto rifles?

Might give some of these mental defectives time to work out their issues before being able to buy an 'extra-killy' AR or pistol, but isn't a "direct" infringement on 2A rights. Somehow this is law in MA and hasn't been found Unconstitutional (yet). Has this ever been tried at the national level?

Anyway, thoughts? We pretty much know what things they won't get away with. What could they?

Lol @ fear porn threads every time one of these things happens.

Most GC is going absolutely nowhere, fast, but I can see soft NPC retard gun owners and voters sucking for dumb shit like UBC and Red Flag laws, or "21+ for all gunz purchases at a gun stoar!!!! BWEAHHHHHH!!!!!" bullshit type laws. And I can see some soft pols pushing for them because in most cases the voters are so stupid they will not call out a pol for saying the words "red flag law" or "background checks" without challenging that pol to ask what they actually mean.




NPC smoothbrain jingoservatives, NPC gun owners and NPC wobblies all refrain simultaneously after every so called "mass shooting" :

"Because I'm fundamentally softer than a bag of wet baby shit, I support shit like prohibited persons. But I also want to see them apply the no fly list to GUNZ, make under 21s not able to buy gunz and have UBC and Red Flag lawz everywheereee.... it "feels" like the right thing to do. Becauz. MUH FEELS being a boswellian nose-upturned kare3nesque pious NPC retard are more important than doing things that actually influence a problem. It's all about the FEEEEEWINGS!!!! Oh. and...... SAVE THE ORPHANS!!!! dontchu cayre about the chilllllldren?"

(oh and all these morons are mysteriously silent after a bunch of black kids kill each other in Chicago every week, but we'll let that go.... )


View: https://youtu.be/BCJOy2ZfZyY?t=25

 

[Kevin_NH]

Bring a Firearm to any school is against the law.

False. You can carry a gun in a school in NH. GFSZ is not valid in NH.

I agree that the primary exception to GFSZA'90 applies to P&R licenseholders.

 

[drgrant]

False. You can carry a gun in a school in NH. GFSZ is not valid in NH.

There are a handful of states that don't explicitly block school carry, and NH is one of them. Most however ban it, I bet its 35+ out of 50 that ban K-12, and MA bans more than that even (upper ed, collitch etc. )

 

[fshalor]

I think UBCs are inevitable. Maybe not this time, but eventually.

I also think they won't stop anyone violent.

And only 3% or so of failed background checks are investigated.

I brought that up in a Convo the other day and the person flat out said that was impossible.

 

[Picton]

And only 3% or so of failed background checks are investigated.

I brought that up in a Convo the other day and the person flat out said that was impossible.

The MUCH more powerful argument right now is that both the most recent mass killers passed BCs.

 

[G4Y4HK]

When are we getting the hearing protection act and national reciprocity? C'mon TRUMP I wanna carry a suppressed MK23 thru NYC!

 

[allen-1]

They should make shooting people illegal.

"illegaler"

 

[mcshooter]

More laws are not the answer. What this kid do was illegal.

Murder grandmother
Drive without a license, as driving is a privilege
Bring the guns to school grounds where it is illegal to do so
And more murder

As was said earlier in this thread. Those who have criminal intent to perform illegal actions will perform it with whatever laws are on the books.


I thi k we need to educate people more so on the good that a good guy with a gun is and how these things can end before they get started with someone like that on premise.

Look at west Virginia where the woman stopped the shooter before he did this legal of carnage

 

[apander]

I'm sure the RINO's will be Reasonable and DO something ! I'm sure gina the next Ma. Governor will be happy to do more !

 

[Hoover]

Nothing will pass

 

[Hoover]

I don't think it'll even take that much.

I think RINOs will eventually give in on UBCs because their calculus will tell them the Left will shut up if they just give them something. It won't work, either to stop violence or to shut up the Left.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can see it happening.

What RINOs? There are not many in the congress or senate. The party is much more conservative than it was even 10 years ago, there are few moderates in either party.

I don’t see anything passing now or anytime in the near future. UBCs were voted down in a ballot question in Maine which is a left of center state. All these nuts pass background checks and background checks wouldn’t even stop any of the normal shootings in blue cities.

The major impediment to all gun control proposals is they would have zero effect on anything.

Mag bans are pointless because there are tens of millions of non cripple mags available and mag changes take a second. AWB was literally proven to be pointless in the 94-04 span and it’s a feature not lethality, it is easy to get around and murders with ALL rifles are only 4% of murders, UBCs don’t stop any of these shooters, they all pass them or steal the gun, etc, red flag laws are bs be a there is no due process, I think they’ll be found unconstitutional and states like CA, NY, etc have red flags and have mass shootings.

Now,if they wanted to focus on mental health and not guns, something would pass. But dems are want a political issue, not a solution

 

[Picton]

What RINOs?

Mitch McConnell. The one that matters.

 

[Hoover]

Mitch McConnell. The one that matters.

He’s so timid and looking to compromise, he killed merrick garlands nomination for 8 months. He understands the politics more than anyone, nothing will pass. Gun controllers are the boy who crude wolf. They’ve lied so often and so absurdly, no one believes them. There are tens of millions of new gun owners after the blm riots. People understand gun control I won’t affect criminals.

Federally nothing will pass. They’ll try more bs in blue states though.

 

[Picton]

He’s so timid and looking to compromise, he killed merrick garlands nomination for 8 months. He understands the politics more than anyone, nothing will pass. Gun controllers are the boy who crude wolf. They’ve lied so often and so absurdly, no one believes them. There are tens of millions of new gun owners after the blm riots. People understand gun control I won’t affect criminals.

Federally nothing will pass. They’ll try more bs in blue states though.

I stand by my prediction: UBC are the most likely federal measure to pass. Probably not this time, but I think they're inevitable.

 

[Hoover]

I stand by my prediction: UBC are the most likely federal measure to pass. Probably not this time, but I think they're inevitable.

Unless the filibuster is changed, you need 60. They probably don’t have more than 55 now at best and that number will drop after this November.

Ask a gun controller what shooting would be stopped by background checks. Get the deer in the headlights look. Massachusetts doesn’t even have UBCs. The IG studies background checks and said they’d have no affect.

 

[Picton]

Ask a gun controller what shooting would be stopped by background checks. Get the deer in the headlights look. Massachusetts doesn’t even have UBCs. The IG studies background checks and said they’d have no affect.

Yes. I covered all this in my first post in the thread: it'll solve nothing.

The OP's question was "what could pass?" I gave my opinion. YMMV.

 

[DW357]

How would they enforce UBC’s without some sort of registry or licensing like is done in MA?? Otherwise people will continue selling guns privately in “free states” without a BC with no penalty. Since no one would know who owned the gun previously. Let me know if I’m missing something.
On top of the fact that only law abiding citizens would follow the law…

 

[sig shooter]

UBC does nothing. The number of firearms purchased in private transfers is de minimis. That is a known fact. And BC’s haven’t prevented any of the mass shootings. The reality is nothing prevents these tragedies but that is an inconvenient truth.

And UBC create a de facto gun registry. Registration leads to confiscation, always.

 

[NHKevin]

I agree that the primary exception to GFSZA'90 applies to P&R licenseholders.

Try filling out your P&R application with 'carrying guns in schools' as the reason for application. Post your results here.

 

[TLB]

Yeah, that’ll work. About as effectively as trying to abort a 50 year old.

I'm all for aborting politicians, regardless of age.

 

[TLB]

Agreed on both points.

It’s all about “The Myth of the Slippery Slope” - it’s not a myth, of course. Some see UBC’s at the least harmful gun law that might be passed to appease the liberal masses. Those would be the folks who trust their government,

A classic for your enjoyment:

All the Way Down the Slippery Slope: Gun Prohibition in England and Some Lessons for Civil Liberties in America

Whenever civil liberties issues are contested, proponents of greater restrictions often chide civil liberties defenders for being unwilling to offer moderate co

papers.ssrn.com

No concessions and if warranted, no compliance.

 

[Kevin_NH]

Try filling out your P&R application with 'carrying guns in schools' as the reason for application. Post your results here.

That's sort of the opposite of a citation backing up the claim "GFSZ is not valid in NH"

 

[NHKevin]

That's sort of the opposite of a citation backing up the claim "GFSZ is not valid in NH"

I didn't disagree with you...

 

[headednorth]

My bet is either 21 to buy, and/or background checks. Anything more and the Republicans lose everything even with Biden as president.

If there's one thing the Republicans excel at, its finding a way to lose

 

[safetyfirst2125]

Ok so given UBC may be the thing most likely to pass,

1) Can someone explain how UBC via same NCIS check we (in MA) go through to get our LTC would have prevented the Texas shooting?

And

2) am I correct that the UBC bill currently being proposed is simply a NCIS check across the 30+ states that don’t current have it as mandatory?

Universal background check - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[headednorth]

AFAIK, the kid bought it from an FFL, so a check was done.

The left has a wish list that they dust off when one of these things happen. Sometimes theres an aspect of the incident that they can pounce on. Like if the guy used a suppressor, theyll push to ban suppressors. If there isnt anything, theyll just push for whatever is on their list that they feel is attainable. The average FB mom will assume that the kid didnt undergo a check and thats why this happened. The media wont point this out that a check was done and anyone who does will be ignored or called a baby killer.

 

[safetyfirst2125]

AFAIK, the kid bought it from an FFL, so a check was done.

The left has a wish list that they dust off when one of these things happen. Sometimes theres an aspect of the incident that they can pounce on. Like if the guy used a suppressor, theyll push to ban suppressors. If there isnt anything, theyll just push for whatever is on their list that they feel is attainable. The average FB mom will assume that the kid didnt undergo a check and thats why this happened. The media wont point this out that a check was done and anyone who does will be ignored or called a baby killer.

I don’t think it’s required in Texas though?

As of July 2020, 22 states and District of Columbiarequire background checks for at least some private sales of firearms, as follows:[55]

Jurisdiction	Summary from Giffords Law Center[55]
California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Virginia,[56] Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia	"Require universal background checks at the point of sale for all sales and transfers of all classes of firearms, whether they are purchased from a licensed dealer or an unlicensed seller."[55]
Maryland and Pennsylvania	"Require point of sale background checks for handguns but not for long guns, like rifles and shotguns."[55]
Hawaii, Illinois, and Massachusetts	"Require all firearm purchasers to obtain a permit, issued after a background check, in order to buy any firearm" (this requirement is in lieu of a point-of-sale background check)[55]
New Jersey	"Requires firearm purchasers to both obtain a permit to purchase a firearm and, if the purchase is from an unlicensed seller, conduct the transaction through a federally-licensed firearms dealer."[55]
Michigan, Nebraska, and North Carolina	"Permit and background check requirement for handgun purchases but not long-gun purchases."[55]

 

[safetyfirst2125]

But Federal law imposes various duties on federally licensed firearms dealers. Firearms dealers must, among other things:

• Perform background checks on prospective firearm purchasers.
• Maintain records of all gun sales.
• Make those records available to law enforcement for inspection.
• Report certain multiple sales.
• Report the theft or loss of a firearm from the licensee’s inventory.17

Federal law imposes none of these requirements on unlicensed sellers, however.