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What bugs me about gun stores
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headednorth
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Yeah its a cliche but thats pretty much what happens. Per round youre saving money, but that just allows you to shoot more. Its like people have a number in their head that theyre ok with spending on ammo. That results in shooting less factory ammo and more reloads but in the end, the total cost is probably close to the same either way. Load your own you get to shoot more. Stuff like 3006 and 45 Colt, youre saving, I dont care how you look at it, youre savingIt's a strange concept
Save money? No.
I reload so I can afford to shoot more. Those that know....know.
Yup , I was spending say $2k a year on ammo , now I spend $2500+ on reloading supplies ——-2019 prices
I shoot more but have not saved any money.
One thing I do is buy my reloads from myself so I have supply cash handy when needed
No , I will tell anyone IF you can make the $$ that makes up the time for reloading and spend that on ammo go ahead. Many people are not making money with the time they use for reloading.
I often reload at night when kids are in bed. If I where to get a part time night job for say 15 hrs a week it would not pan out well because I would need a sitter, gas , wear and tear.
commodon
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In MA it's against the law if items for sale are not clearly marked with a price. It's why HD was slapped with a lawsuit twice over the years and why they now put a price tag on everything
Right , anytime I walk into a gun shop I plan on spending the money I have in my pocket.
BUT if they dont have what I want im not buying something just to buy something.
I have $250 set aside for some gun stuff. I will be stopping at the 3 shops in my travels in a few days.
The first place that has what I want gets my money.
In God We Trust
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That’s why I bring up the hobby aspect of it. It’s still time I could be watching a movie, porn, sleeping, playing Xbox, etc. if you get enjoyment from reloading, awesome. I personally wouldn’t as I would rather be killing space zombies on Xbox at midnight.
I wasn’t insulting it when I called it a hobby.
Not when the o/f brass I purchased 10 years ago is all mixed in with the "free" brass I scrounged at my club. Some brass is clearly "no cost" other brass is "a cost". You an I can just agree to disagree.
Wickedcoolname
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You must go to a nice Walmart.
commodon
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If a barcode can be affixed or labeled upon it, yes. Otherwise the bin it was removed from is considered satisfactory of the attempt to have affixed a price tag.
TG Pioneer
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My head is spinning from the thread hijacking. This is classic NES. We’ve been through gunshop gripes (a little), the advantages of reloading, price tag laws, time management, and pissing in slop sinks. God I love this forum.
Meanwhile, I hate the gun shops where the “help” are condescending and acting like they’re doing you a favor by allowing you in. The so-called experts who only work there because they’re the otherwise unemployable brother in law of the FFL drive me nuts too.
Agreed with OP. Not being able to see price tags drives me batshit.
Meanwhile, I hate the gun shops where the “help” are condescending and acting like they’re doing you a favor by allowing you in. The so-called experts who only work there because they’re the otherwise unemployable brother in law of the FFL drive me nuts too.
Agreed with OP. Not being able to see price tags drives me batshit.
This. I was at auchoban hardware Sunday morning to get some washers i needed and they still have the brown paper bags. Each bin of loose nuts and bolts has the price per each and you toss what your buying in the bag and use the pen on the string to write the price and number of each on the bag.
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I hate not being able to seen the price.. because when you asked usually retarded, and then they get all huffy that you think it’s overpriced… at the same time. I usually only buying specialty or conceal, and ammo which is expensive.. otherwise I’d be buying bulk… ammo shortage is never affect me..
But if I happen to be somewhere, let they’re limiting the number of purchases I have 0 interest in buying…
I’d rather than just say we’re solo on ammo right now we’re only selling it to gun purchasers..
I just couldn’t imagine being the first time going to order or not being able to buy ammo for the gun. I’m buying at the same time.
But if I happen to be somewhere, let they’re limiting the number of purchases I have 0 interest in buying…
I’d rather than just say we’re solo on ammo right now we’re only selling it to gun purchasers..
I just couldn’t imagine being the first time going to order or not being able to buy ammo for the gun. I’m buying at the same time.
I like to believe that someone out there picked up an FN Five-seveN as their first gun because the 9 and 380 were out of stock.
Agnotology
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So... I ended up with like 15 quote replies and just deleted them all.
The initial post, ammo behind the counter. Having been in retail now for 20 years, here is what I can tell you. It prevents theft. No one wants to deal with it, police don't want to prosecute petty theft, although in MA if they do not have an FID card it is a felony to be in possession of ammo. But really, what it really is, is it saves time. Recovery/fronting and facing (basically, picking up after people who don't put things back where and how they found them) takes up a lot of time. Having ammo behind the counter remedies this entirely. However, you need to have them priced for convenience sake for your customers, or have an accessible price sheet in fairly large font. As for the people talking about prices being required by MA law - that is for grocery stores and stores that sell food. With ammo volatility, and the way some people treat stores, the law would bankrupt most gun stores. If retail is more than $10, and it rings up at a price different that what is on it or it is labeled as or advertised as, $10 is deducted from the price, and you pay the difference. You can also buy as many as you wish for the lowest advertised price. If it below $10, it becomes free, and you can buy as many as you want for the lowest advertised price in addition to.
No one takes advantage of this anymore, and I have only met 1 person in 20 years who insisted on sticking to the letter of the law, and they described themselves as a lawyer. Everyone else has been fine with getting it for the advertised price rather than demanding it be free. Mostly because things in retail are very accurately priced now, and what few errors occur involve someone forgetting to remove a sale label that has ended, or a computer error (which at the end of the day is also human error). If that applied to gun stores, people would be going over every price with a fine-tooth comb trying to get a$15 box of 50 for $5, or some sub $10 box for free, although this does not work in most mom and pop shops. They usually do not have a POS system that utilizes barcodes. The price is listed or labeled on the box, and they just enter the price and whether it is a taxable item or not. So any discrepancy will just be manually fixed and there is no comparing it to what it "rings up as".
On the reloading bit - no one's time is free. If you genuinely consider it free, let me know when to drop off my primers, powder, projectiles and brass and when I can pick up my rounds. Joking aside, If you feel like reloading is worth it to you, if the time spent is therapeutic or relaxing, or even if it's just another way for you to create something useful with your two hands, more power to you, but your spare time is still a precious thing. We all have a fixed amount of time, and we don't know when it's going to run out. So don't say its free.
The initial post, ammo behind the counter. Having been in retail now for 20 years, here is what I can tell you. It prevents theft. No one wants to deal with it, police don't want to prosecute petty theft, although in MA if they do not have an FID card it is a felony to be in possession of ammo. But really, what it really is, is it saves time. Recovery/fronting and facing (basically, picking up after people who don't put things back where and how they found them) takes up a lot of time. Having ammo behind the counter remedies this entirely. However, you need to have them priced for convenience sake for your customers, or have an accessible price sheet in fairly large font. As for the people talking about prices being required by MA law - that is for grocery stores and stores that sell food. With ammo volatility, and the way some people treat stores, the law would bankrupt most gun stores. If retail is more than $10, and it rings up at a price different that what is on it or it is labeled as or advertised as, $10 is deducted from the price, and you pay the difference. You can also buy as many as you wish for the lowest advertised price. If it below $10, it becomes free, and you can buy as many as you want for the lowest advertised price in addition to.
No one takes advantage of this anymore, and I have only met 1 person in 20 years who insisted on sticking to the letter of the law, and they described themselves as a lawyer. Everyone else has been fine with getting it for the advertised price rather than demanding it be free. Mostly because things in retail are very accurately priced now, and what few errors occur involve someone forgetting to remove a sale label that has ended, or a computer error (which at the end of the day is also human error). If that applied to gun stores, people would be going over every price with a fine-tooth comb trying to get a$15 box of 50 for $5, or some sub $10 box for free, although this does not work in most mom and pop shops. They usually do not have a POS system that utilizes barcodes. The price is listed or labeled on the box, and they just enter the price and whether it is a taxable item or not. So any discrepancy will just be manually fixed and there is no comparing it to what it "rings up as".
On the reloading bit - no one's time is free. If you genuinely consider it free, let me know when to drop off my primers, powder, projectiles and brass and when I can pick up my rounds. Joking aside, If you feel like reloading is worth it to you, if the time spent is therapeutic or relaxing, or even if it's just another way for you to create something useful with your two hands, more power to you, but your spare time is still a precious thing. We all have a fixed amount of time, and we don't know when it's going to run out. So don't say its free.
i want you to know that i didn't read your wall of text because you admitted you didn't read the wall of text in response to your post
tl;dr for anyone else: this guy is complaining about the recoil of .40
Agnotology
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Huh? Quote replies I meant in terms of the multi quote function.
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Shame on you. It's not stealing. It's reparations to make up for past wrongs.
We've all been naughty, and need to be punished.
No one is arguing that time is not valuable.
The argument is, instead of watching some lame a** show on TV, some people reload.
For example: while people were wasting their lives watching the State of the Union, I walked over to The Squib Master and reloaded a bunch of ammo.
The difference is how we each choose to allocate our time. To me, reloading is more productive than watching TV and if I wasnt reloading, I wouldn't be doing anything else.
Another example: yesterday I arrived from the gym, the wife wasn't feeling good, we ate and she went to bed early. I didn't feel like reading, or watching TV or doing anything else (I just spent 2hrs at the gym and all day working), so I reloaded a bunch of 460 SW ammo for an hour, then I did some reading and went to sleep.
But the argument- "Muh time is worth $$$ so I don't reload" is bullsh*t, because it implies that person could be making money and sees reloading as something that stops that process. If that person is making money 24/7, he/she should work instead.
What I have noticed is that most people that try to assing a value to everything they do are full of sh*t and they usually say stuff like that when they just read some book written by a billionaire about how their time is so valuable blah blah blah ... not arguing that it isn't, just saying that many people are all talk, specially when you look at the stupid sh*t they do with their time.
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Agnotology
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I 100% get what you are saying, my only point is that everyone values their time, and everyone values it differently. You are probably at the point where you could reload while doing something else, like watching TV, especially if you have a reloading station where you just load up your primers, powder, and projectiles and just rotate between pulling down on the lever and setting in new a piece of brass. But some people just want that time to shut off their brain and watch a show or some youtube. I know when I was younger, and worked 50 to 60 hours a week and commuted 80-120 miles round trip a day, the idea of reloading was insane to me. Other people make sufficient money that the idea of reloading to them is waste of time, regardless of money saved. It all boils down to how much time you have, and how much is allocated to do things you want vs things you need. Also, greetings from the town of the Bow and Gun Club.
StevieP
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The price is right there on the shelf for you to read. They also have price checker machines all around the store. Just scan the barcode and it'll tell you the price.
Wickedcoolname
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Not at my Walmart.
