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Vietnam poser (?)

Im not a Vet but i have researched weapons used during Vietnam and some special units did use thompsons. and its not "the CIA" its just "CIA"
 
vietboy1st said:
yes, from now on i only believe peopel with Military Id if they don't. The next thing you can try to test maybe military knowledge. Especial the marine corps 11 general orders . hahaha Can't get away with that.
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HAHA...we had to learn them in Navy Bootcamp back in the 70's backwards and forwards but if you put a 45 to my head and told me I had to tell you just one of them, I'd tell you to pull the trigger and get it over with...I can't even remember part of one [smile]
 
depicts said:
Funny, I learned the story this week of two men involved in the same action in Vietnam, where they were both awarded the Distinguished Service Cross.

One of them, a Lieutenant John Rowland went on to become a Major and eventually retired after a full career in the Rangers. He developed PTSD, began to drink heavily, and ended his life sitting around bars telling stories that were true that no one believed, and showed him no respect.

The other man, Specialist 4 Billy Comer, lived and worked in his home town after the war, got married and had a family. When he died at an early age a year or so ago, his family found out when they filed for his "burial benefit" that Billy had been presented the DSC as well. They never knew. He had never mentioned it.

One true American Hero, sitting drunk in a bar yakking in the ear of anyone who will listen, and one guy who never says a word. Same day, same hill, same battle.

A very interesting true story.
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I know this is an old thread, but I thought I would update it a bit.

The two people Depicts was talking about were my brother John Rowland, and his Platoon Medic, Billy R. Comer from Blountville TN.

Here is a copy of John's DSC Citation:

ROWLAND, JOHN R.
Citation:
The President of the United States takes pleasure in presenting the Distinguished Service Cross to John R. Rowland, Second Lieutenant (Infantry), U.S. Army, for extraordinary heroism in connection with military operations involving conflict with an armed hostile force in the Republic of Vietnam, while serving with Company D, 2d Battalion (Airmobile), 5th Cavalry, 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile). Second Lieutenant Rowland distinguished himself by exceptionally valorous actions on 22 June 1970 while serving as platoon leader during combat operations in Cambodia. On this date, Lieutenant Rowland’s company was engaged by a large, well concealed enemy force firing small arms, automatic weapons, and rocket grenade launchers. Reacting immediately to the intense hostile fire, the lieutenant maneuvered among his men to direct their suppressive fire and locate them in strategic defensive positions. When the allies ran perilously low on ammunition, Lieutenant Rowland utilized a bomb crater as a drop zone and directed a helicopter re-supply operation. Although wounded by enemy fire, Lieutenant Rowland continued to distribute the ammunition to his men. Exposing himself to intense hostile fire, the lieutenant, on two separate occasions, charged forward through the fusillade to shield a medic and a wounded Soldier with his body. After securing a landing zone, he supervised the helicopter evacuation of his wounded men amid a hail of enemy fire. Then, refusing to allow his own wounds to be treated, he remained with his men throughout the night to direct their defenses against the determined enemy force. Second Lieutenant Rowland’s extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army.
Headquarters, US Army, Vietnam, General Orders No. 5218 (December 4, 1970)

And here is a copy Billy Comer's Citation:

COMER, BILLY R.
Citation:
The President of the United States takes pleasure in presenting the Distinguished Service Cross to Billy R. Comer, Specialist Fourth Class, U.S. Army, for extraordinary heroism in connection with military operations involving conflict with an armed hostile force in the Republic of Vietnam, while serving with Troop D, 2d Battalion, 5th Cavalry, 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile). Specialist Four Comer distinguished himself while serving as a senior medical aidman during combat operations in Cambodia on 22 June 1970. On this date, Specialist Comer’s company was engaged by a large, well concealed enemy force firing small arms, automatic weapons, and rocket grenade launchers. Observing a wounded comrade lying in a forward, exposed position, Specialist Comer left his defensive position and ran through the enemy fire to the casualty. While enemy bullets struck all around him, the specialist calmly treated the Soldier’s wounds and carried him to a covered position within the allied perimeter. Later, during an emergency helicopter re-supply operation, the specialist again moved forward through the intense hostile fire to rescue a Soldier seriously injured during the operation. When an evacuation helicopter finally arrived on the scene to rescue the wounded Soldiers, Specialist Comer secured one of the casualties to a litter to be hoisted to the hovering helicopter. However, the intense enemy fire directed at his exposed position snapped the cable attached to the litter causing the casualty to fall approximately ten feet into the open area. Without hesitation, the specialist ran to the litter and dragged the casualty to a position of relative safety. Throughout the entire engagement, Specialist Comer exposed himself to the fusillade as he moved from one position to another treating the numerous allied casualties. His determined actions served as a constant inspiration to his companions and contributed immeasurably to the successful defense of the position. Specialist Four Comer’s extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army.
Headquarters, US Army, Vietnam, General Orders No. 5230 (December 9, 1970)
Died 18 December 2009 buried in Blountville, Tennessee

The battle resulted in numerous American casualties, but they had no KIA's......

The reason I am bringing this up is that I have taken the opportunity while living here in Tennessee to contact folks that knew Billy, and learned some interesting things about him.

He never told anybody at home that he received the DSC. Even his lifelong friends in the local American Legion never knew it until after he died.

Billy originally tried to file as a Conscientious Objector when he was 18, and his local Draft Board refused to consider it. When it became apparent that he would be drafted,
he enlisted in the Army and told them he would only join if they made him a non combatant and sent him to school to be a Combat Medic.

My older brother always insisted that Billy was the true hero on that day in 1970. After my brother passed away in 2002, I started researching that fateful day and
reaching out to all the guy's in John's platoon. I talked to Billy back in 2004, and he told me that my brother was crazy! He said he had to overdose John on Morphine
the next morning because my brother refused to leave his platoon, and he needed to get him to hospital in the rear because he was bleeding internally. He also told me that John
was the only LT he ever met who he respected because he was a "Mustang" who came up through the ranks. (John got a Field Commission to 2LT when he was a SSG
after his third tour in Vietnam.)

I am going to Blountville this Memorial Day and meet some of his relatives and lay a wreath at his grave. I also wish I could go lay a wreath on Depicts grave in Bourne,
and to Arlington for my brother. [sad]

I'm still waiting on a request to the National Archives that I submitted several years ago regarding the AAR's in Cambodia on 22Jun1970. Eventually I will write a finished
story and share it here, because it is one hell of a story.
 
CIA is like an iceberg, the majority of work is done by those under the surface which are also the majority. Most of them are indirect hires. They are looking for gays lately to diversify their workforce at Langley.
 
How about people who dress up like military but never did a day in the service ? Had one of those in the family for a while. My mother has a brother who did 3 tours in nam and my step son did 2 in Afghanistan. Their both disgusted with this guy. Fkn asswipe
 
this guy had to be pushing 80 if say he were 18-19 in 1963 when he went in. at least very late 70's. alzheimer's? a little trouble remembering?
 
I knew a guy who I had the misfortune of meeting after witnessing a car accident he was in and giving my statement on it. The man, at the time seemed like a decent person just trying to get through his day. It wasn’t until about 3 months later that I had learned he was a friend of my roommate and lived a few streets over from us. He would tell us all these crazy stories about his time in Vietnam and how he worked for the CIA. He told us about how he had to take down enemy machine gun nests at night all by himself. Guys stories sounded straight out of a movie. Even claimed the Medal of Honor but said it wasn’t officially given to him due to his secret involvement in the operations there. Well, through FOIA, I did my own research and discovered this man served during Vietnam in the guard and never left California. He’s a complete nut. Did some time in prison in the 90s for fraud. There’s a lot more to this crazy story if you read his court logs and whatnot. There’s plenty of forum articles on Bullshido about him too. He’s the self proclaimed “6th most dangerous man in the world.”
 
bfm said:
I'm good friends with the 7th, and he never heard of this guy.
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My mistake. He’s actually the 4th 😂

Here’s the valor guardians thread about him. Steve Burrell’s his name

valorguardians.com

Big Baby Stephen Franklin Cio Burrell

Mary at POW Network sends us some mail she recently received from Stephen Franklin Cio Burrell who, despite calling himself the fourth most dangerous man in the world, decides he wants to threaten …
valorguardians.com valorguardians.com
 
Ncee95 said:
My mistake. He’s actually the 4th 😂

Here’s the valor guardians thread about him. Steve Burrell’s his name

valorguardians.com

Big Baby Stephen Franklin Cio Burrell

Mary at POW Network sends us some mail she recently received from Stephen Franklin Cio Burrell who, despite calling himself the fourth most dangerous man in the world, decides he wants to threaten …
valorguardians.com valorguardians.com
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And here’s the bullshido link

Stephen Cio Burrell, fake military hero and aikido 8th dan - Bullshido - The Art of Fighting BS

<div style="float: right; padding: 1px; color: #0368ff; text-align: right;"></div>The official forum for <span style="color: #cc3333"><b>Bullshido's Martial Arts wing</b></span>. <b>SERIOUS</b> discussion on McDojos, questionable Martial Artists, and Martial Arts History only. Help us fight...
www.bullshido.net
 
Ncee95 said:
My mistake. He’s actually the 4th 😂

Here’s the valor guardians thread about him. Steve Burrell’s his name

valorguardians.com

Big Baby Stephen Franklin Cio Burrell

Mary at POW Network sends us some mail she recently received from Stephen Franklin Cio Burrell who, despite calling himself the fourth most dangerous man in the world, decides he wants to threaten …
valorguardians.com valorguardians.com
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Sounds like a job for Don Shipley. His videos make me laugh.

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Why why why why why!? Why do these retards always have to be special forces, paratroopers, CIA, Mi-17, whatever? Can't you just make up a boring job and call it done? No one would ever think twice about a radio repair guy, who can't fix your radio because he was only trained on one particular radio when he was in Whereveristan. It sounds believable, no one would ever call him out, and he'd get the same 10% discount and "thank you for your service" as a real vet - why add the stupid embellishments?

I pretty much disbelieve anyone I hear claiming to be anything over the rank of E4 who did anything more than waste time - especially if it's the first meeting.


Honest story:
I once worked with the Army Rangers, and can't tell you what we were doing because of classified info.
For a while I worked the Ops desk in the Air Force: I filed flight plans, noted takeoff and land times and received the call when the planes were 10 minutes out and if they had any problems, you know, the real exciting stuff. Our A-10s were working with the Rangers, and we went down to Ft Campbell (?) to fly overhead and do our thing while they did their thing on the ground, note the technical terms.
What we were doing was classified, and I didn't have a need to know despite me having a TS clearance from when I was in Intelligence. So I wasn't informed of what exactly our planes were doing while they were airborne.
I DID work with them - and I can't tell you what we were doing, because they never told me. LOL
 
tuna said:
Why why why why why!? Why do these retards always have to be special forces, paratroopers, CIA, Mi-17, whatever?
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Thanks for that. Just spit my coffee out! Lmao but in all honesty you’re right. Just say you stared at a radar screen for 6 hour increments. Or you painted and swept. Like the special warfare community is so unbelievably small, those guys practically know everyone who’s a part of it.
 
timbo said:
HAHA...we had to learn them in Navy Bootcamp back in the 70's backwards and forwards but if you put a 45 to my head and told me I had to tell you just one of them, I'd tell you to pull the trigger and get it over with...I can't even remember part of one [smile]
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I’m not going to bother posting them cuz I’ll be blamed for google fu. In the army we had 4 and I’ll never forget them.

#4 was unofficial) I will walk my post from flank to flank and take no shit from any rank.
 
We have a neighbor whose family says his drinking problems are due to his being a Vietnam Vet. He’s 59. No wonder he has problems: he was only 10. At most.

We had a neighbor in Southie who falsely claimed to be a disabled Vietnam vet to get a handicap parking space. When the City found out not only was that false but he had the car registered in Quincy, they showed with a truck and a cutoff saw, sawed the posts off at ground level, and drove away: chased by the “Vietnam Vet.” Didn’t seem to need his cane but it was downhill.
 
tuna said:
Why why why why why!? Why do these retards always have to be special forces, paratroopers, CIA, Mi-17, whatever? Can't you just make up a boring job and call it done?
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Probably for the same reason people were Napolean, George Washington or some other famous historical figure before they were reincarnated rather than a foot soldier with a long forgotten name.
 
Would a Vietnam War Army E-whatever with a non-combat desk job be required to periodically go into the bush on patrol? I'm fact checking someone.
 
tuna said:
Why why why why why!? Why do these retards always have to be special forces, paratroopers, CIA, Mi-17, whatever? Can't you just make up a boring job and call it done? No one would ever think twice about a radio repair guy, who can't fix your radio because he was only trained on one particular radio when he was in Whereveristan. It sounds believable, no one would ever call him out, and he'd get the same 10% discount and "thank you for your service" as a real vet - why add the stupid embellishments? ///
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Got a call from a manager at a company we did business with. He explained that they had an employee who claimed to be in some sort of USAF Special Operations, and claimed to have “Done a lot of ‘sneak and peek stuff I can’t talk about.” Additional factoid: he claimed to be able to bench press 300 lbs. They asked me how they could verify if he was actually a veteran and what he did.

Looked him up at Military.com while we were on the phone. E3 Aerial Refueling Specialist. Perfectly honorable and essential job.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
Probably for the same reason people were Napolean, George Washington or some other famous historical figure before they were reincarnated rather than a foot soldier with a long forgotten name.
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garandman said:
We have a neighbor whose family says his drinking problems are due to his being a Vietnam Vet. He’s 59. No wonder he has problems: he was only 10. At most.

We had a neighbor in Southie who falsely claimed to be a disabled Vietnam vet to get a handicap parking space. When the City found out not only was that false but he had the car registered in Quincy, they showed with a truck and a cutoff saw, sawed the posts off at ground level, and drove away: chased by the “Vietnam Vet.” Didn’t seem to need his cane but it was downhill.
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Went to Olive Garden on Veterans Day a few years back for the free food and there was a guy there all decked out in ACU’s and sporting an EMT hat trying to get a free plate. When asked for his 214 he didn’t know what the paper was then told this elaborate story on how he had planned on going to boot camp but couldn’t
 
I met a guy once who told me he was a "green beret" in the first five sentences he ever spoke to me. No one believed him, so one day he brought in the beret. He loudly announced that if he wasn't a real "green beret" where would he get this?

"Girl scouts?" I answered.

He'd never heard the joke before. While I don't think it very smart to say to a real SF soldier, I'm pretty sure they've all heard the joke - the fact this clown didn't was just more proof.


****Same guy said there was no need to shoot a dog or coyote or wolf if it was attacking - he'd just pick the animal up and throw it. Needless to say he didn't accept my offer to baptize my cat for $100. I could write a book about this guy's BS.
 
Mountain said:
Would a Vietnam War Army E-whatever with a non-combat desk job be required to periodically go into the bush on patrol? I'm fact checking someone.
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I'm going to say no, based on "required". If he was really gung ho he maybe could have wrangled his way into going. Just think, would you want to grab a desk jockey to fill in on a patrol?
 
tuna said:
I met a guy once who told me he was a "green beret" in the first five sentences he ever spoke to me. No one believed him, so one day he brought in the beret. He loudly announced that if he wasn't a real "green beret" where would he get this?

"Girl scouts?" I answered.

He'd never heard the joke before. While I don't think it very smart to say to a real SF soldier, I'm pretty sure they've all heard the joke - the fact this clown didn't was just more proof.


****Same guy said there was no need to shoot a dog or coyote or wolf if it was attacking - he'd just pick the animal up and throw it. Needless to say he didn't accept my offer to baptize my cat for $100. I could write a book about this guy's BS.
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I never served but when you see something like this, you know they have issues.
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