Tonight, Westford will be considering zoning bans on firearm stores.

[556USER]

They should do what Kittery Trading Post Does. Actual Store could be in NH with a small location
just to transfer sales in Mass. Not much for the Po-Po to look at doing it this way.

Malodave

Likely it would work well to avoid the onerous inspections but the commies will still get their sales tax that way.

 

[M1911]

I’ve unstuck the thread.

 

[Boghog1]

I heard (from a MA FFL) that the state is adding a bunch of stuff to their dealer inspection requirements which will make it difficult for dealers to remain.
Said it is in the pipeline and essentially a seminar on how to shut down your local gun shop.

Might be worthy of another thread but just something I thought of after seeing the last few posts above^^

I'm sure that will stop the violence problems in murder pan and Roxbury

 

[walter62]

Imagine how many 'YES''s are on their 4473

 

[71montess]

Why stop with suspending the second amendment? Shouldn't the nineteenth amendment also be on the chopping block? Face facts--it is only since women were allowed to vote that extra-killy guns were invented, oceans started drowning big cities (well, not yet, but they WILL), animals started going extinct, and carbon dioxide started killing us all. There is a definite link between the second and nineteenth amendments that should not be ignored any longer.

Even my mother thinks women should not have the right to vote, way to lopsided as liberal.

 

[TLB]

So any residents here? What happened?

 

[Asaltweapon]

Same happens with towns going after clubs and there is always that group of idiots that thinks "not happening in my club so I don't care".

By the time they start caring it is too late.

Yup so buy local and support the people we all need in this sport.

 

[MAJoe]

I heard (from a MA FFL) that the state is adding a bunch of stuff to their dealer inspection requirements which will make it difficult for dealers to remain.
Said it is in the pipeline and essentially a seminar on how to shut down your local gun shop.

Might be worthy of another thread but just something I thought of after seeing the last few posts above^^

Trying to turn MA into what DC used to be. No local FFLs means no legal way to buy handguns.

 

[DW357]

Trying to turn MA into what DC used to be. No local FFLs means no legal way to buy handguns.

Mhmm

 

[Broc]

So, what happened at the meeting?

 

[M125X]

Trying to turn MA into what DC used to be. No local FFLs means no legal way to buy handguns.

This is their goal. This is what most people don’t realize is that they chip away at 2A rights little by little. One “by-law” at a time. They are commies playing the long term game.

 

[Asaltweapon]

So, what happened at the meeting?

I’m guessing nothing but that’s a spitball.
To change zoning it will have to fly and pass at the spring town meeting.
At that point in the current political theatre who knows.

I’m so thankful to be out of that state.

 

[walter62]

The frogs are enjoying the warm water sauna.

One 'commonsense' restriction/law after another, rinse, repeat.

(No French were harmed in the creation of this post)

 

[FrugalFannie]

I no longer have contact with those who were the organizers of WestfordPro2A. I wonder if they are still active or even aware of this?

 

[NHCraigT]

Drive around westford and count the massive number of BLM lawn signs ..... and that'll give you an idea of the town's predominant left-leaning preferences.

 

[Bt74]

The frogs are enjoying the warm water sauna.

One 'commonsense' restriction/law after another, rinse, repeat.

Racist!

 

[scottco]

I was there small victory they didn’t vote they referred it back to the planning board I copied this From the Pro 2a hope they don’t mind

Summary of Select Board Meeting: Anti 2A By Law​

Dear Friends,

Congratulations on a strong showing at the Select Board meeting last night. That was the first “salvo” in what is sure to be a protracted battle regarding Second Amendment rights in Westford yet again. You were all calm, respectful, and eloquent. Thank you.

It will be instructive to watch, when it becomes available, the video from that meeting. At the start of the By-Law discussion, it was made clear by the Town Planner that the Select Board had asked him to draft a Firearms Business By-Law, and present it to the Planning Board.

By the time we 2A supports were done, the Select Board was marching to a different tune. At the end, it suddenly ‘wasn’t up to them to tell the Planning Board what to do',’ and even when the Town Planner asked if he should present the draft By-Law to the Planning Board, the reaction was ‘well, we don’t want to tell them how to do their job. They may want to talk about it before they consider a By-Law'.’

This is a classic example of politicians stepping into something smelly, and then deeply regretting it.

The battle will now shirt to the Planning Board. Westford Pro 2A will be watching the Agenda’s carefully. When they start posting Firearms discussions of any kind, we all need to show up in FORCE, and make it clear, Firearms are not to be regulated different than any other lawful business.

WESTFORD PRO 2A

 

[pastera]

If its due to an abrupt change in zoning across the state I think youd have a court case though? Im not a lawyer

I think it was Chicago that implemented a no gunstore or range scheme and got shot down for it but dont remember the particular details.

Banning gun stores does seem like it violates the 2A. If access to arms can be banned then keeping and bearing become meaningless

 

[M1911]

The moment that the Selectboard members realized they had stepped on their own dingus must have been lovely to watch

 

[240Geezer]

They just placated you. Planning board shuffles it to Selectmen. They shuffle it to Zoning. Around and around it goes. It might not pass soon but eventually it's a go. That die has been cast.
Just a matter of time.

 

[walter62]

Most of the arguments boil down to the Town making it unnecessarily difficult for people
to exercise their 2A rights. Either by fees, taxation or zoning.

 

[Waher]

Jesus Christ. This zoning bullshit is spreading like cancer.

It's a coordinated political hit.

 

[paul73]

Trying to turn MA into what DC used to be. No local FFLs means no legal way to buy handguns.

and it is surprisingly easy to do, it seems. with a total approval of grateful local residents.

 

[MAJoe]

and it is surprisingly easy to do, it seems. with a total approval of grateful local residents.

We are learning there’s quite a large population of gun rights agnostic people, but once it hits their town, they’ll come out in force to say “not in my back yard”.

Places like Littleton and others that seemed gun friendly, were only so because residents weren’t aware guns were in their town.

 

[Matt_SERE]

I no longer have contact with those who were the organizers of WestfordPro2A. I wonder if they are still active or even aware of this?

I immediately thought of that past campaign and of you.
How's the bus?

 

[paul73]

We are learning there’s quite a large population of gun rights agnostic people, but once it hits their town, they’ll come out in force to say “not in my back yard”.

Places like Littleton and others that seemed gun friendly, were only so because residents weren’t aware guns were in their town.

residents crave to be dominated and oppressed, nothing new about it. society at all is not wanting any freedom at all, as is. all they want is to be provided with benefits.

 

[namedpipes]

I was there small victory they didn’t vote they referred it back to the planning board I copied this From the Pro 2a hope they don’t mind

Summary of Select Board Meeting: Anti 2A By Law​

Dear Friends,

Congratulations on a strong showing at the Select Board meeting last night. That was the first “salvo” in what is sure to be a protracted battle regarding Second Amendment rights in Westford yet again. You were all calm, respectful, and eloquent. Thank you.

It will be instructive to watch, when it becomes available, the video from that meeting. At the start of the By-Law discussion, it was made clear by the Town Planner that the Select Board had asked him to draft a Firearms Business By-Law, and present it to the Planning Board.

By the time we 2A supports were done, the Select Board was marching to a different tune. At the end, it suddenly ‘wasn’t up to them to tell the Planning Board what to do',’ and even when the Town Planner asked if he should present the draft By-Law to the Planning Board, the reaction was ‘well, we don’t want to tell them how to do their job. They may want to talk about it before they consider a By-Law'.’

This is a classic example of politicians stepping into something smelly, and then deeply regretting it.

The battle will now shirt to the Planning Board. Westford Pro 2A will be watching the Agenda’s carefully. When they start posting Firearms discussions of any kind, we all need to show up in FORCE, and make it clear, Firearms are not to be regulated different than any other lawful business.

WESTFORD PRO 2A

Typo n that last paragraph

 

[Parker Schreiber]

If its due to an abrupt change in zoning across the state I think youd have a court case though? Im not a lawyer

There are already court cases moving through the lower courts. Here's a loss from last week at the district level:

Federal judge: Howell Township did not violate gun owners' Second Amendment rights

A firearms store owner and a group of gun owners sued the township for denying a request to rezone land for a shooting range.

www.livingstondaily.com

Pre-Heller and NYSRPA, an en banc panel of the 9th Circuit held that a textual and historical analysis of the Second Amendment demonstrated that the Constitution does not confer a freestanding right on commercial proprietors to sell firearms. That Supreme Court denied cert.

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2017/10/10/13-17132.pdf

My guess, and it's strictly a guess, is that post NYSRPA courts will draw analogies to "adult entertainment" zoning. The cases will then hinge on the "secondary effects" of gun stores, with judges cherry picking "facts" based on their own biases. In short, business as usual.

 

[whatluck]

Guess who bought the 6 acre plot right across from me? Yup…..from
Cambridge Caliphate.

Mag dumps will not cease!

If you ever want to open carry BBQ let me know, I'll bring out the smoker and Greg Derr 1911

 

[Lank]

I wish there were protections against all levels of government infringing the right to keep and bear arms