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To ALL gun owners here please read this (THAT MEANS YOU)

The whole Facebook libtard thing really burns my ass to see people I know be so ignorantly anti-gun, but I have to say I do feel I am having success educating them. I am seeing a lot of 2A defense.
 
Bob P said:
This is the Brady wet dream scenario: someone murderd a bunch of white suburban kindergarteners and their pretty teachers with an EBR.

It doesn't matter what you say, what logic you try to inject until some time has passed for emotions to cool you're just playing into their hands trying to debate. Let some time pass. Let a week go by and refocus the debate on the shooter, not the gun. It's already starting to happen.
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What he said... It seems impossible, but "engaging" at this point is pointless and frankly rude. I am happy to talk amongst like minded folk here and think about the future, but this is a long game (that frankly never ends).

The right thing to do "publicly" right now is let those who have lost mourn and let the gun-grabbers tire themselves out trying to re-hash the same worn out arguments that don't pass scrutiny of people who have now witnessed the "post-ban-expiration" era for themselves and own these things they are trying to demonize or know someone who does.
 
I had a discussion with my Chief on Friday because he calls me a "gun nut" so we chatted about a few things. I explained to him the bs AG regulations on handguns.....that got his attention. Then I asked him what his definition of an "Assault Weapon" was. His response was, "anything that is automatic". After i schooled him and gave him the federal definition, to say he was enlightened is an under statement. His exact words, "well thats stupid!". Now he is not anti-gun so dont be confused, but he is also not a "nut" as he refers to me. We hunt together and he owns a few guns, but I hope this story proves that it really is just people being completely uninformed and not knowing what ANYTHING means when it comes to this subject.
 
WPDC13 said:
I had a discussion with my Chief on Friday because he calls me a "gun nut" so we chatted about a few things. I explained to him the bs AG regulations on handguns.....that got his attention. Then I asked him what his definition of an "Assault Weapon" was. His response was, "anything that is automatic". After i schooled him and gave him the federal definition, to say he was enlightened is an under statement. His exact words, "well thats stupid!". Now he is not anti-gun so dont be confused, but he is also not a "nut" as he refers to me. We hunt together and he owns a few guns, but I hope this story proves that it really is just people being completely uninformed and not knowing what ANYTHING means when it comes to this subject.
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I think it safe to say there is far more "ignorance" than there is "evil" in this debate which is why I generally advocate further attempts to educate and expand our ranks to solve this problem.
 
cekim said:
I think it safe to say there is far more "ignorance" than there is "evil" in this debate which is why I generally advocate further attempts to educate and expand our ranks to solve this problem.
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As I posted earlier in this thread, we need to educate those that can be educated. Everyone here should find at least one new person and bring them to the range. Give them a quick safety lesson and let them shoot a couple of semi-autos. Eliminate the ignorance and you defend all of our rights.
 
Pete85 said:
As I posted earlier in this thread, we need to educate those that can be educated. Everyone here should find at least one new person and bring them to the range. Give them a quick safety lesson and let them shoot a couple of semi-autos. Eliminate the ignorance and you defend all of our rights.
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Don't forget it isn't just those who haven't fired a gun, it is also those who think anything that doesn't have wood on it is "something only the military needs."
 
cekim said:
Don't forget it isn't just those who haven't fired a gun, it is also those who think anything that doesn't have wood on it is "something only the military needs."
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Good point. As I was typing my post, this was already a given in my mind, but you're right it definately should be explicitly put out there.
 
There was an excellent article in the National Review with some decent facts (a little light on the cites, but maybe someone can find them?). Here is what I view as the big takeaway:

(economist John Lott) offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”
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The Aurora shooter passed at least seven movie theaters that were showing Batman closer to his home in order to get to the one he attacked. Why? Because it was the closest theater that had posted signs prohibiting firearms. Want to attract a mass shooter to your venue? Make sure he knows everyone there will be unarmed.
 
Tim L said:
Nobody cares about facts.The story and calls for gun control were already written,they were waiting for the right time to use them.
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You are wrong, people do care and I have had people listening to me today who were misinformed and had no understanding of guns except that they "are evil". Please start your own thread, this isnt about already written bans.
 
If you have a lot of friends from overseas on Facebook (like I do) you may need to gently remind them that this problem is not specific to America. If you look at school shootings from k-12, until Friday both Britain and Germany had mass shootings worse than Columbine (America's worst until Friday).

March 13, 1996 : Dunblane massacre. Unemployed former shopkeeper and Scout leader Thomas Hamilton walked into Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm pistols and two .357 Magnum revolvers. He killed sixteen small children and a teacher. The subsequent police investigation revealed that Hamilton had loaded the magazines for his Browning with an alternating combination of fully metal jacketed and hollow point ammunition.
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April 26, 2002 : Eighteen people died when an expelled former pupil went on a shooting spree at his school in the eastern German city of Erfurt. Masked and dressed in black, the gunman walked through classrooms killing 14 teachers, two schoolgirls and one of the first policemen on the scene before taking his own life.
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There are others worse than these in different places, but they usually have more to do with terrorism than mass shootings, so I don't mention them (Chechnya, etc).

And for your American friends who want to ban guns to save the children, you may want to remind them of the worst attack on an American school. It killed 45 and injured 58. It happened nearly 90 years ago. And there wasn't a single gun involved.

May 18, 1927 : In the deadliest mass school murder in United States history, former school board member Andrew Kehoe set off three bombs in Bath Township, Michigan killing 45 people and wounding 58. Kehoe killed himself and the superintendent by blowing up his own vehicle.
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Violent, mentally ill people who are allowed to run free despite practically begging to be committed to mental institutions will always be able to find a way to kill people. If you really want to address the problems we see in incidents like Newtown would be better addressed by examining our mental health system rather than blaming the particular tools the criminally insane choose.
 
Yeah, you don't hear much about this one in the news lately.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, and four other adults; at least 58 people were injured. The perpetrator first killed his wife, and later committed suicide in his last explosion. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–14 years of age[1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.

The bomber was the school board treasurer Andrew Kehoe, 55, who was angry after being defeated in the spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat; he had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed Kehoe had stopped working on his farm and thought he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe carried out steps in his plan to destroy the school and his farm by purchasing and hiding explosives.

Kehoe's wife was ill with tuberculosis and he had stopped making mortgage payments; he was under pressure for foreclosure. Some time between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927, Kehoe murdered his wife by hitting her on the head. On the morning of May 18 about 8:45, he exploded incendiary devices in his house and farm buildings, setting them on fire and destroying them.

Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many schoolchildren. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of incendiary pyrotol, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers gathered at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the whole school.
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The sheep follow blindly and regurgitate the Whitehouse talking points. You are talking out your ass.
Sir_Gawain said:
You are wrong, people do care and I have had people listening to me today who were misinformed and had no understanding of guns except that they "are evil". Please start your own thread, this isnt about already written bans.
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Tim L said:
The sheep follow blindly and regurgitate the Whitehouse talking points. You are talking out your ass.
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Troll elsewhere. If you feel they are sheep man up, look at my original post, and herd them in the right direction.
 
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They are being "herded" by the Messiah and his co-conspirators, they can't be saved. I said nothing bans here . If I think they are sheep man up ? Does your Mom know you're using the computer ? Get back when you have some TIG.
 
Lip said:
The whole premise that one can convince a liberal of anything is flawed.
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I Never asked you to convince.

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Tim L said:
They are being "herded" by the Messiah and his co-conspirators, they can't be saved. I said nothing bans here . If I think they are sheep man up ? Does your Mom know you're using the computer ? Get back when you have some TIG.
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This is the attitude that cant be portrayed.
 
Great post and I agree 100%. There is time to let the dust settle and we do not need to panic. There is a reason why pro-2A organizations (at least the legitimate ones) and politicians are keeping a low profile right now.
 
cekim said:
What he said... It seems impossible, but "engaging" at this point is pointless and frankly rude. I am happy to talk amongst like minded folk here and think about the future, but this is a long game (that frankly never ends).

The right thing to do "publicly" right now is let those who have lost mourn and let the gun-grabbers tire themselves out trying to re-hash the same worn out arguments that don't pass scrutiny of people who have now witnessed the "post-ban-expiration" era for themselves and own these things they are trying to demonize or know someone who does.
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+1,000,000

I agree, it is not the time to be talking about gun control. After a bit of time, the shock and horror of seeing this splashed all over the news will recede, and people will be able to think a bit more rationally and less emotionally.

I blame the news media more than anything for exploiting things like this, it's like the paparazzi chasing Lady Di, they become part of the problem.
 
Lip said:
The whole premise that one can convince a liberal of anything is flawed.
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The majority of people in the country aren't liberals, they've just been brainwashed by the lies and propaganda. You'd be amazed at how many people are willing to listen and learn. The problem is when we don't speak up and educate others, the only ones they are listening to is the liberals (who never STFU).
 
Pete85 said:
The majority of people in the country aren't liberals, they've just been brainwashed by the lies and propaganda. You'd be amazed at how many people are willing to listen and learn. The problem is when we don't speak up and educate others, the only ones they are listening to is the liberals (who never STFU).
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