Not tom has done a ton of work to benefit our little community. If he needs help I'm happy to kick in. It's not like I'm taking our a mortgage to get his lawyer a few bucks. Derek's word that the cause is worthy is good enough for me.
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point being? calling out mike because he black? damn son, ice cold.
you guys can threadshit elsewhere.
i know not tom and dnepro personally. god damn you people sometimes. i won't say any more as i may tread into "ban atilla" territory with bad words.
Well before I send my hard earned money off to help someone I would like to know the cause I am supporting. If you prefer to send your hard earned money off without knowing any facts - I've got a paypal account you can wire some to. I could use some extra cash too. I promise it will support the cause.
......otherwise please keep your insults to yourself.
Not tom has done a ton of work to benefit our little community. If he needs help I'm happy to kick in. It's not like I'm taking our a mortgage to get his lawyer a few bucks. Derek's word that the cause is worthy is good enough for me.
This, I don't even know Ntomsw personally but I have complete faith that if Derek is supporting him he needs our support.
Maybe was just a regular member, a lot of hate going around here lately and not Tom isn't the only one that had ATF issues.
This.
It seems that there is clearly a politically driven witch hunt going on these days.
I'm hearing more and more stories about good, honest people being put through the wringer. They are now trying to prosecute the corner cases, not just the actual bad guys.
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point being? calling out mike because he black? damn son, ice cold.
you guys can threadshit elsewhere.
i know not tom and dnepro personally. god damn you people sometimes. i won't say any more as i may tread into "ban atilla" territory with bad words.
Well before I send my hard earned money off to help someone I would like to know the cause I am supporting. If you prefer to send your hard earned money off without knowing any facts - I've got a paypal account you can wire some to. I could use some extra cash too. I promise it will support the cause.
......otherwise please keep your insults to yourself.
if the ATF wants to blame someone for legitimate federal gun crimes they need to look no further than a ****ing mirror.
Point being you ask: this is the post by dnepro: "this needs to be publicly inaccessible, user/member only forum with strict referral membership."
The point of my response should be easy to comprehend if you read the entire post. Your statement that I "called him out" is without merit.
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point being? calling out mike because he black? damn son, ice cold.
you guys can threadshit elsewhere.
i know not tom and dnepro personally. god damn you people sometimes. i won't say any more as i may tread into "ban atilla" territory with bad words.
You clearly don't understand the gravity of the situation.... keep your $20, I'll cover ot
Again: NES is a PUBLIC forum with certain areas behind a paywall which can be bypassed for ~20 USD/year. Might keep a cheap troll away and that's about it.
Even what you'd consider private information (PM's, etc.) can either be legally retrieved by government (get a warrant, etc.) or just retrieved by the government.
There is no practical way to create an area that's secure enough to be safe from the prying eyes, nor is there a need to as far as I know - we are not doing anything wrong.
And as DRB points above... if Derek says nothing criminal was going on, I'm taking his word for it and making a charitable donation to ntwomsw's defense fund (non-tax deductible since the IRS says that to be deductible, "contributions must be made to a qualified organization and not set aside for use by a specific person.").
And your curiosity will have to lose to the stark reality that disclosure of the specifics of a government investigation by the person or entity investigated only helps the government.
he has his own reasons for not renewing. like i said, i know him personally.
who the **** are you?
i get defensive with my homies, homes.
also the person who is the rat, or people who collectively have been ratting are green members as "black" members aren't able to participate or even see group buys. the $21 does not buy us any security whatsoever.
You clearly don't understand the gravity of the situation.... keep your $20, I'll cover ot
No I don't - which is exactly why I asked. Thanks for the neg rep by the way. You're a class act.
I don;t know you. I don't know Derek. Really - I don't know anyone on here. So heaven forbid someone ask for a synopses before sending cash to someone they don't know, never met, never will meet, and don't know what it will go towards.
No I don't - which is exactly why I asked. Thanks for the neg rep by the way. You're a class act. Don't worry - I won't return the favor. I'm not petty like that.
I don't know you. I don't know Derek. Are these names supposed to mean something to me? Sorry but I really don't fall for the "do you know who I am" line.... Really - I don't know anyone on here. So heaven forbid someone ask for a synopses before sending cash to someone they don't know, never met, never will meet, and don't know what it will go towards.
Plenty of people have met me here, because I am actively involved in this site. By running group buys, organizing NES get togethers, going shooting with other NES'rs, etc etc etc.
Please don't shit up this thread with your bullshit. I am not in the mood for it.
If you don't want to donate to the cause to help out someone else, then stop posting in this thread. You've made your point, now move on.
If you think you will ever know the story now, you're joking yourself. Thanks.
That's a good point. Paying the $20 membership fee is not a great deterrent to any state agency wanting to monitor the private areas.
I'll send him some cash. I don't like to send checks because they contain my personal info and bank account info on the checks. So a money order will have to do. I can probably spare 20 or 30 bucks for the cause. I wish I could give him more - but I'm not rich. Every little bit helps though...
Anyone who knows the details about this - can you send them to me in a PM. I would be very curious - for my own info more than anything.
PreBanMan, even with a large cast of characters, the members here are tight. I came on here in 2008 when The Village Idiot, rest his soul, was battling cancer. Twigg and Dwarven, and I can't remember who else, got a shoot going and raised about $6K in that day. There were all kinds of items donated for raffle and auction by the members. Jim Wallace was the emcee for all the items that were auctioned at the shoot. The good deeds by some of the folks here are enough to make your eyes water. It just goes on and on. Maybe someday you'll get it.
just curious if anyone has set up any source for donating electronicly instead of checks? I just hate sending anything important through the mail
A word of advise, "Don't feed the trolls"
and miss out on all the fun???