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The U.N. is coming for your guns - Update #402

With the people in command in the white house, would they conveniently want to obey an international treaty that fits their ideology or the Constitution, which they want to gut? I could see the socialist leader on TV in a oval orifice speech detailing the new treaty that the US signed and its implementation, give up your guns by a certain date or face prison time.
 
Acujeff said:
When Hillary signs the treaty, there will be only two ways to beat the Treaty and its threat of UN imposed gun control – take back the Senate or beat Obama.

The fact that the NRA has succeeded in getting fifty-eight Senators to sign on opposing the Treaty is irrelevant. If Harry Reid won’t bring it up on the floor, it won’t get a vote. And, in the absence of Senate disapproval or a renunciation by the president, the United States is bound by the Treaty under the provisions of the Vienna Convention which we have both signed and ratified.

Nor will the Second Amendment offer us any protection. The Supremacy Clause in our own Constitution provides that treaties are the “law of the land” akin to a constitutional provision.

The answer is to beat Obama and give the Republicans a majority in the Senate. Either will suffice to kill the Treaty. A Republican majority leader would certainly bring the Treaty up for a vote and it would certainly be defeated, ending its power over the U.S. and a President Romney will doubtless renounce the Treaty on taking office.

Voting for anti-gun control Democratic candidates for Senate won’t work. Their leader would refuse to bring the Treaty up for a vote, regardless of how his members felt.
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We did sign, but not ratify the Vienna Convention. UN link. Also listed there are the objections from the US government regarding the treaty.
 
I put very little stock in the intricacies of US law, in congress, in the supreme court to save us from the demise of the second amendment.

I haven't read up on this thoroughly, but I know this much: anything is possible. The US government has already demonstrated a willingness, a desire, and an ability to ignore the constitution. I have no faith left in anything written on a piece of paper. Things that I could not even imagine in this country as a child have already come true.

I need to do some more reading, but this may actually affect my firearms purchasing decisions.
 
endus said:
The US government has already demonstrated a willingness, a desire, and an ability to ignore the constitution. I have no faith left in anything written on a piece of paper. Things that I could not even imagine in this country as a child have already come true.
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I can't remember the last time the government stopped short of passing legislation because it was unconstitutional. At best, the law of the land is pass anything you want and if it gets brought up to the SCOTUS, so be it. Chances are, those judges were appointed by socialist tyrants who will "interpret" the BOR in your favor, anyway.
 
BOBKATT said:
I can't remember the last time the government stopped short of passing legislation because it was unconstitutional. At best, the law of the land is pass anything you want and if it gets brought up to the SCOTUS, so be it. Chances are, those judges were appointed by socialist tyrants who will "interpret" the BOR in your favor, anyway.
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I would HARDly confine my dismay with the SCOTUS to liberal justices, but otherwise I agree 100%.
 
And we've come full circle.

If my government tells me the US Constitution is henceforth to be modified by a committee in the UN , and we are to be disarmed , it's no longer my government.
 
Discussion about the latest draft - link

Does not recognize right of individual self-defense. Though the draft’s preamble contains a recognition of lawful private activities, it is only preambular language and says little more than that lawful activities are those permitted by law. It does not recognize national constitutional protections of firearms ownership; it does not exclude legally owned firearms from the treaty’s scope; and it does not recognize the individual right of self-defense.

More at link.
 
What is the impact on this country if all the other countries sign the treaty and we don't?

No, I don't mean would the UN scold us in shrill, impotent voices. More like, could other signatories be barred from trading arms with us? So say, Germany signs and we don't. We can't get H&K anymore?
 
namedpipes said:
What is the impact on this country if all the other countries sign the treaty and we don't?

No, I don't mean would the UN scold us in shrill, impotent voices. More like, could other signatories be barred from trading arms with us? So say, Germany signs and we don't. We can't get H&K anymore?
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I will get over it, they have or can have us based manufacturing to get around hassles with importation...

Heck, they may move here as the rest of the world goes full retard. I welcome lawful immigrants. [smile]
 
What bothers me is if our sec state signs it, and Olama is reelected. I would hope that if Romney is elected, those that have the input would tell him to rip it up. If this is enforced, the carnage in Aurora will be child's play.
 
namedpipes said:
OK. Uzi? Beretta? Daewoo? Steyr? There have to be some foreign mfg that don't/won't have US plants?

What I'm wondering is, could the treaty potentially affect us even if we don't sign it?
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Oh sure, they can play all sorts of games. The toilet is the limit on how much crap they can pump out. Not worth worrying about though... Are you genuinely concerned about our ability to produce quality firearms in sufficient quantities? It is already hard to get most foreign stuff now (which is why we have sig USA and so on...).

Tying to quantify how stupid the UN can get is a pointless game because they can out stupid anyone, even our government.

It will be interesting to see the brinksmanship as they try to sanction us on this given all the other crap that is always ongoing and that which is coming down the pipe.

There are plenty of things to lose sleep over, the effect of this treaty if we don't sign it is really not one of them. That will be good family entertainment.

Us signing on is a far bigger concern.
 
MA_Shooter said:
Is there any doubt that Hiliary and Barry support the treaty?
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Conflicting messages coming out of the gun grabbing orgy, so yes, it is fair to say there is still some doubt.

There is no doubt that Barily want to grab guns and will be willing to sign something I would use to wipe with, but specifically, at this moment, there is still doubt about THIS treaty.
 
Obama is currently ahead in the polls. He'd be an idiot to push for any kind of gun control right now. Neither candidate is going to do anything to alienate the swings.
 
Found this online, straight from the Treaty:

Principles on the prevention of human rights violations committed with small arms

B. Due diligence to prevent human rights abuses by private actors

10. In order to ensure the protection of human rights by preventing small arms violence by private actors, Governments shall enact licensing requirements to prevent possession of arms by persons who are at risk of misusing them. Possession of small arms shall be authorized for specific purposes only_ small arms shall be used strictly for the purpose for which they are authorized. Before issuing a licence Governments shall require training in proper use of small arms, and shall take into consideration, at a minimum, the following factors: age, mental fitness, requested purpose, prior criminal record or record of misuse, and prior acts of domestic violence. Governments shall require periodic renewal of licences.

13. With the cooperation of the international community, Governments shall develop and implement effective disarmament, demobilization and reintegration programmes, including the effective collection, control, storage and destruction of small arms.
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Line 10 is taken straight from our federal laws (criminal record, domestic abuse, etc.) but adds licensing.

Screw them.
 
Governments shall enact licensing requirements to prevent possession of arms by persons who are at risk of misusing them
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scottb said:
This picture should be on every desktop in this country.

Beside the obvious - do you know the story behind this particular atrocity?
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Tibet is my understanding, at least that is the claim, though some have pointed out that the condemned does not appear to be Tibetan by her appearance or name and the sign on her says she committed murder (I can't read it, that is the claim), but it also seems that the location of the execution is near Tibet. So as with everything on the internet, YMMV.
(WARNING: very graphic, NFSFW)
http://friendsoftibet.org/main/execution.html
 
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How did George Washington and the 3% deal with enemy combatants, specifically foreign political influence?
 
cekim said:
Tibet is my understanding, at least that is the claim, though some have pointed out that the condemned does not appear to be Tibetan by her appearance or name and the sign on her says she committed murder (I can't read it, that is the claim), but it also seems that the location of the execution is near Tibet. So as with everything on the internet, YMMV.
(WARNING: very graphic, NFSFW)
http://friendsoftibet.org/main/execution.html
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It is a pretty biased picture obviously trying to manipulate people. She looks like she could be 12 years old in the picture taken from behind, and we can't be certain what her crime was.

The point still stands, though.
 

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