kevin9
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It can....If it can be left up to each person, it shouldn't be done at the local level.
YARTH
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It can....If it can be left up to each person, it shouldn't be done at the local level.
I asked you about where you live now. You responded with an anecdote about schools where you used to live.
And there is NFW that I am going to believe that you, living right in the middle of f-ing Boston cannot find more than one example of private school tuition.
Trinity Catholic Academy in Southbridge is $3,100 per student per year.
http://www.trinitycatholicacademy.org/admissions-and-general-information/180-tuition-
If you search around there are less expensive private schools around and they need students. My sister has worked at private schools for four years, one school closed, one downsized and she starts #3 this month.
There are plenty of teachers applying for all of these positions even with the lower pay and no union.
not everyone wants a religion based education....
It's not the .gov's job to make people succeed.
yet far too many are willing to take an academically substandard, family-destroying, liberal-agenda-pushing one for their children. I don't get it myself.not everyone wants a religion based education....
Not only that, my personal experience is that, provided you research your school, aren't going to be militant about their religion...Not all private schools are religious. Next.
Not all private schools are religious. Next.
Not only that, my personal experience is that, provided you research your school, aren't going to be militant about their religion...
Frankly, in many school districts, its a pretty easy choice between religious and political dogma - all things considered.
If I have to chose between indoctrination to religion and indoctrination to socialism - I'll take the religion in a heartbeat - even if it is not my chosen faith...
I say this as someone who attended both private (of multiple denominations) as well as public school.
Not only that, but in many cases, the theology classes are pretty well contained in courses about theology... Might see some bleed over into the literature, but your math course is going to be about math, and your science course is going to be about science...Agree...went to Catholic HS 83-87 as a non Catholic and found it had morals based classes compared to hardline religion classes.
My wife and I actually went down that road when we finally got fed up with the bullshit the public education system had to offer. My oldest was in 4th grade when we pulled our three school aged kids out and took a crack at it ourselves.
We've cherry picked different curriculums, and helped set up a small charter school. It's expensive as hell, and our lives are pretty much dedicated to educating our children properly. In the first year alone they went from 60% on their year end CATs to 99%, and have been there ever since. It's also given us the opportunity to have them spend time in foreign countries, at events and museums they wouldn't necessarily visit, etc., if it were left up to the schools, and it's allowed them to flourish and pursue interests that wouldn't have been fostered by the public system.
And you can spare me the socialization arguement. My kids are take part in, and excel at more extra-curricular activities than 90% of public school kids. They're better mannered, and more socially acceptable than just about any public school kid I meet. ( Despite my best efforts to turn them into ruffians and scalliwags.)
My wife and I actually went down that road when we finally got fed up with the bullshit the public education system had to offer. My oldest was in 4th grade when we pulled our three school aged kids out and took a crack at it ourselves.
We've cherry picked different curriculums, and helped set up a small charter school. It's expensive as hell, and our lives are pretty much dedicated to educating our children properly. In the first year alone they went from 60% on their year end CATs to 99%, and have been there ever since. It's also given us the opportunity to have them spend time in foreign countries, at events and museums they wouldn't necessarily visit, etc., if it were left up to the schools, and it's allowed them to flourish and pursue interests that wouldn't have been fostered by the public system.
And you can spare me the socialization arguement. My kids are take part in, and excel at more extra-curricular activities than 90% of public school kids. They're better mannered, and more socially acceptable than just about any public school kid I meet. ( Despite my best efforts to turn them into ruffians and scalliwags.)
It can.
YARTH
[Art.] 83. [Encouragement of Literature, etc.; Control of Corporations, Monopolies, etc.] Knowledge and learning, generally diffused through a community, being essential to the preservation of a free government; and spreading the opportunities and advantages of education through the various parts of the country, being highly conducive to promote this end; it shall be the duty of the legislators and magistrates, in all future periods of this government, to cherish the interest of literature and the sciences, and all seminaries and public schools, to encourage private and public institutions, rewards, and immunities for the promotion of agriculture, arts, sciences, commerce, trades, manufactures, and natural history of the country; to countenance and inculcate the principles of humanity and general benevolence, public and private charity, industry and economy, honesty and punctuality, sincerity, sobriety, and all social affections, and generous sentiments, among the people: Provided, nevertheless, that no money raised by taxation shall ever be granted or applied for the use of the schools of institutions of any religious sect or denomination. Free and fair competition in the trades and industries is an inherent and essential right of t he people and should be protected against all monopolies and conspiracies which tend to hinder or destroy it. The size and functions of all corporations should be so limited and regulated as to prohibit fictitious capitalization and provision should be made for the supervision and government thereof. Therefore, all just power possessed by the state is hereby granted to the general court to enact laws to prevent the operations within the state of all persons and associations, and all trusts and corporations, foreign or domestic, and the officers thereof, who endeavor to raise the price of any article of commerce or to destroy free and fair competition in the trades and industries through combination, conspiracy, monopoly, or any other unfair means; to control and regulate the acts of all such persons, associations, corporations, trusts, and officials doing business within the state; to prevent fictitious capitalization; and to authorize civil and criminal proceedings in respect to all the wrongs herein declared against.
My wife and I actually went down that road when we finally got fed up with the bullshit the public education system had to offer. My oldest was in 4th grade when we pulled our three school aged kids out and took a crack at it ourselves.
We've cherry picked different curriculums, and helped set up a small charter school. It's expensive as hell, and our lives are pretty much dedicated to educating our children properly. In the first year alone they went from 60% on their year end CATs to 99%, and have been there ever since. It's also given us the opportunity to have them spend time in foreign countries, at events and museums they wouldn't necessarily visit, etc., if it were left up to the schools, and it's allowed them to flourish and pursue interests that wouldn't have been fostered by the public system.
And you can spare me the socialization arguement. My kids are take part in, and excel at more extra-curricular activities than 90% of public school kids. They're better mannered, and more socially acceptable than just about any public school kid I meet. ( Despite my best efforts to turn them into ruffians and scalliwags.)
Yet Another Reason To HomeschoolI think it can, and should. I don't have a huge problem with a municipality deciding otherwise, though, as long as there's no federal or state involvement. What does YARTH mean in this context?
Like a bumper sticker I recently saw said "If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em!"
One example among many, yes. But if I remember correctly, some/many polls showed the majority didn't want the health care bill as it was passed.
It's not the .gov's job to make people succeed.
I know there are good teachers out there - I've met them and there are some on this forum.However, I can't stand the several comments made by many in this thread casting a wide net upon all public educators as mouthpieces of socialism; myself and many of my peers are conservative, and what's more, most teachers I know view the discussion of politics in the classroom as the most crucial time for the educator to leave his opinion in check. The ridiculous examples highlighted in the media, like the knuckleheads at Dennis-Yarmouth, are newsworthy precisely because they are so far from the norm.
I know there are good teachers out there - I've met them and there are some on this forum.
That said, what you must recognize is that many who express this concern about our public schools having become the "mouthpiece of socialism" (myself included, obviously) is that we are not making this observation based solely on textbook/classroom content, though I can point to many examples where this is the case - history books and the stated progressive agenda to teach "government as a force of good," but rather the entire system.
As students first and now parents we see a progression over the decades from rewarding success and punishing failure, to a focus on "self esteem, independent of performance" (again the stated agenda of progressive educators).
BTW - the two key quotes above ("self esteem" and "government as a force of good") come from a debate on NPR over the Texas school book content a few months back. I am not making them up...
We see classrooms with efforts, curriculum and resources shifting violently toward trying to bring the bottom 1/3rd of the class up while the top 2/3rds wait around. We see by any objective measure (test scores) since the Federal Government got involved in schools that the bottom has come up a little, but the top and middle have fallen. We see grade inflation attempting to avoid punishing bad performance with bad grades. We see behavioral science thwarting "normal" but less desirable conflict (as an important emotional development).
At the collegiate level we see institutions foregoing grades all-together. We see entrance based on "diversity" and things other than (and in spite of) performance. The collegiate level is a cess-pool of liberal programming with some of the most radical mouthpieces of socialism being retained and promoted to positions of influence within our universities.
This is a system that has, at every level, abandoned the idea of a meritocracy. Kids see this. They aren't dumb. Early on, while the primary education system is refusing to give them grades, their natural competitive spirit has them grading/ranking themselves despite the schools attempts to stop or hide relative performance. Eventually though, they learn that extra effort is not rewarded and failure is not punished and they revert to playing the game. Amassing social and political credentials in place of grades indistinguishable from their peers to get into college.
Much like the socialist systems we see around the world - when it comes to what you can get - its not what you do, but who you know...
You may be trying your best to teach objectivity and fight the tendency of the texts to push a liberal/progressive agenda, but you are being drowned out by EVERY facet of this system...
This is the true evil of socialism: that that support it think they are promoting "fairness" and "justice". Those who tolerate it cannot see that they are being used by it. Those that oppose it are silenced....
The collegiate level is a cess-pool of liberal programming with some of the most radical mouthpieces of socialism being retained and promoted to positions of influence within our universities.