The public schools suck thread.

zeppelinfromled said:
...because private schools tend to be expensive....
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Having put my oldest through Private school for one year I would say that if I did not have to pay for taxes or got a credit on them I could have afforded to send him there for his entire school career. it is not that private education is expensive. it is expensive for me to pay for both private and public education at the same time.
 
derek said:
No, there should be no public education.


That's because there isn't enough competition. Half of all the tax you pay goes to public education. Can you imagine having an extra $20,000 a year to send your child or children to one of the now many private schools because everybody now has money to spend on them and there are a lot more of them to choose from?

Where teachers can actually be fired for being worthless and they don't suck up 80% of an inflated salary for 20 years when they retire.
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Maybe I'm wrong. If it would be cost-realistic to have private schools where every kid could get an education, then I take back everything I've said. But that hasn't been my impression of what it would be like.

Jose said:
How many kids have you put through them yet?
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What, I have to have sent a kid to private school to know how much they cost? I know for a fact that many of the poor people in our society would not be able to send their kids to a typical private school (at the current cost).
 
zeppelinfromled said:
Maybe I'm wrong. If it would be cost-realistic to have private schools where every kid could get an education, then I take back everything I've said. But that hasn't been my impression of what it would be like.



What, I have to have sent a kid to private school to know how much they cost? I know for a fact that many of the poor people in our society would not be able to send their kids to a typical private school (at the current cost).
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so you are saying everyone is/should be entitled to the same education?
 
zeppelinfromled said:
I disagree with this. Not everyone would be able to send their kids to a private school (obviously). The problem with this isn't about equality (although that argument can be made). It's that having a well educated society is good for society. So when I pay taxes that go to sending someone else's kids to school in addition to my own, it's an investment into our society. And I will see the returns from that investment in the form of a better educated populace that will be less likely to fall into the traps of politicians and others who would like to trick them into giving away power and rights.
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[bs2]The public schools, in general, and not withstanding the minority of individuals in the system who attempt to swim against the tide, are a major part of the problem, not the solution. Public school was conceived as a socialist idea and it tends to promulgate socialist-type ideas and behaviors. Where do you think the majority of people in this country have been educated and thus the have "learned" to allow, even support, the very actions you decry.
 
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And I will see the returns from that investment in the form of a better educated populace that will be less likely to fall into the traps of politicians and others who would like to trick them into giving away power and rights.
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Not if those politicians control what is taught in the schools.
 
Having put my oldest through Private school for one year I would say that if I did not have to pay for taxes or got a credit on them I could have afforded to send him there for his entire school career. it is not that private education is expensive. it is expensive for me to pay for both private and public education at the same time.
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Private schools tend to be less generous with retirement medical and pensions - and I am not aware of any inability of said schools to find willing teachers to take the jobs. Under any sane system, it would insane for a school to hire a bus company instead of run their own fleet - but the reason it saves money is that it allows the drivers to be subject to private sector pay and accountability rather than public sector benefits.
 
kevin9 said:
The public schools, in general, and not withstanding the minority of individuals in the system who attempt to swim against the tide, are a major part of the problem, not the solution. Public school was conceived as a socialist idea and it tends to promulgate socialist-type ideas and behaviors. Where do you think the majority of people in this country have been educated and thus the have "learned" to allow, even support, the very actions you decry.
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It wasn't so bad an idea not all that long ago it generally served us well... but not all that long ago, people's values weren't so f***ed up beyond all comprehension, either.... Now we have this...



[puke]

Not only does the education often suck, but now we live in a world with public schools where making up praise songs for presidents is just fine, but bringing a plastic army man with a tiny fake gun in his hands is "bad" or bringing a Glock pen to school is "bad" and a child bringing some ibuprofen to school gets treated like a narco terrorist... [thinking]


-Mike
 
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You know this thread about schools has me thinking about the things I've seen, and never gave a second thought going through the Boston Public Schools. When I was in elementary school, my parents were brainwashed by other Greek parents to send me to the Mattahunt in Mattapan, because it had a Greek Bi-lingual program. I was born here, and was fluent in English AND went to Greek school 3 times a week. But God forbid those poor Greek teachers didn't have some job security. Since when was it the school's business to teach me Greek? Then, the natural progression was to go to the Washington Irving Middle school...because THEY had a Greek Bi-lingual program...but here's the catch, I had to also take ESL (English as a Second Language)... when English was my primary language... because God forbid THOSE Greek teachers didn't have some job security...but then something happened. Me and most of my Greek classmates (We didn't take classes with the other kids) passed the exams to go to either Latin School or Latin Academy. THEN it got interesting. The Greek teachers all started sending papers home to our parents with propaganda on why we shouldn't go to these schools. Here are some of the things they said "If they go there, they''ll lose their "culture"" "Latin Academy is in a bad neighborhood, and we will all be in danger" etc. They did EVERYTHING in their power to brainwash the parents AGAIN so the school system wouldn't realize their little "program" was expendable. I told my parents I'm going to an Exam school... I was tired of ESL classes full of kids who didn't speak english.... teaching me "The dog is brown". I left there in the 7th grade. Some of the other kids ended up staying, and going onto the high school with Greek bi-lingual programs...West Roxbury High School... I Graduated high school, fully prepared for College, and got a degree...most of the other kids ended either dropping out, or going to college and finding it too hard. anyways, now I'm just rambling but it's funny how I never really gave all that stuff a second thought until now.
 
Oh I get it alright...I get it every quarter when my property tax bill comes....and every week when that nice fat chunk is missing from my pay...and every year when I file my taxes and get a little piece of paper from the IRS that says "Sorry, we haven't taken enough already....why don't you send us another 4 grand because you don't really need it!"
 
zeppelinfromled said:
What, I have to have sent a kid to private school to know how much they cost? I know for a fact that many of the poor people in our society would not be able to send their kids to a typical private school (at the current cost).
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OK, then, what is the range of private school tuition in your town and within reasonable driving distance?

I'm going to give you one chance to redeem yourself because you are clearly out of your depth in this discussion. You bring no fact, just meaningless generalities.

Did you not pay attention to anything Derek said re the cost spectrum that private schooling can cover?
 
Boston Shooter brings up a great point about wasting time in maintaining kids' "cultural identity" by teaching them the language of wherever their parents hail from.

It is a useless crock of shit.

I am fully bilingual. 100% able to read, write, and speak English and Castillian (Spanish for the rest of y'all). I've lost track of the number of times I've been told how that is so great and how it will serve me well at work and in life.

Well guess what. I haven't found my Spanish to be useful at all. In fact, every day it gets rustier and rustier from lack of use. Outside of making a vacation in Spain really easy 12 years ago, being fluent in Spanish (my native tongue) hasn't been useful AT ALL for me since I left Puerto Rico when I turned 18 to join the Navy. You know, the US Navy? Where everything is in English.........

We make no effort to teach our daughter Spanish. She makes no effort to learn. The PRIVATE school she attends makes a token effort and doesn't push it (I would push back if they did). Occasionally acquaintances would ask if we are teaching Natalie spanish. I enjoy seeing their shocked faces when I tell them doing so is a collosal waste of time and that we would rather expend that effort teaching her the real history of the US, and how to be better in math and science.

The shock is double when I tell the same thing to the few latin american immigrant families we know and have brought up the topic.
 
BTW, this thread is officially

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We should just change the thread title. If you think I'm selecting all the school posts to move to another thread you're crazy.
 
zeppelinfromled said:
...because private schools tend to be expensive....
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Trinity Catholic Academy in Southbridge is $3,100 per student per year.
http://www.trinitycatholicacademy.org/admissions-and-general-information/180-tuition-
If you search around there are less expensive private schools around and they need students. My sister has worked at private schools for four years, one school closed, one downsized and she starts #3 this month.

There are plenty of teachers applying for all of these positions even with the lower pay and no union.
 
swampy said:
I've shot with a number of state and local cops at my club and I will attest that there are a lot of cops that can't shoot worth a crap.
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We had two local cops come to our indoor range to practice before qualifying. I'm pretty sure they bounced a few rounds off the floor with their glocks.



Disclaimer: It was only TWO officers. I am not attempting to draw conclusions about the majority of officers.
 
Lawrence MA, Central Catholic H.S., $9,750 for 2009/2010. When my boys went there back in the 1980's - 1990's it was about $10,000 for all 4 years. They do offer free tuition to some innercity students.

Now a coed school with girls. Excellent school if you're looking.
 
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yanici said:
Lawrence MA, Central Catholic H.S., $9,750 for 2009/2010. When my boys went there back in the 1980's - 1990's it was about $10,000 for all 4 years. They do offer free tuition to some innercity students.

Now a coed school with girls. Excellent school if you're looking.
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I graduated from CCHS in 1986.

It was around $1200 per year at the time.
 
Boghog1 said:
so you are saying everyone is/should be entitled to the same education?
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Not necessarily, but I think that all kids should have access to an education.


Jose said:
OK, then, what is the range of private school tuition in your town and within reasonable driving distance?

I'm going to give you one chance to redeem yourself because you are clearly out of your depth in this discussion. You bring no fact, just meaningless generalities.

Did you not pay attention to anything Derek said re the cost spectrum that private schooling can cover?
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The private school nearest to where I lived before MA (and the only option from where I lived without a significant commute time) costs just under $20,000 for one year.
 
zeppelinfromled said:
Not necessarily, but I think that all kids should have access to an education.

The private school nearest to where I lived before MA (and the only option from where I lived without a significant commute time) costs just under $20,000 for one year.
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Hard to compete when the .gov have a monopoly. They make it illegal for private companies to do, but they have no problem doing it.
 
zeppelinfromled said:
The private school nearest to where I lived before MA (and the only option from where I lived without a significant commute time) costs just under $20,000 for one year.
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So you have concluded that private schooling is unaffordable AND that nothing can be done to improve the situation from a statistically irrelevant sample of one.

Good job. You must be a public HS grad.
 
Jose said:
So you have concluded that private schooling is unaffordable AND that nothing can be done to improve the situation from a statistically irrelevant sample of one.

Good job. You must be a public HS grad.
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Or a teacher. [wink]
 

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