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wchandler

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These are my latest purchases:

Full size M&P .40 and M&P compact in 9mm.

 

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I have not fired it yet, but I think they are going to give Glock a run for their money. I compared it to my Glock 26 and it is bascially the same size.

That and I paid $485 brand new, compared to what used Glocks go for in this State. I will not be getting rid of my Glock's but I may pick up a M&P .40sw compact.
 
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Just one more thing to keep the gun from going "bang" when you want it to. I've never seen an issue with unloading a gun without the mag disconnect. Just keep your fingers off the trigger, but if you don't seat the mag properly, or the release gets bumped, you have a club.

JMHO.
 
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Just one more thing to keep the gun from going "bang" when you want it to. I've never seen an issue with unloading a gun without the mag disconnect. Just keep your fingers off the trigger, but if you don't seat the mag properly, or the release gets bumped, you have a club.

JMHO.

I've never heard of a mag disconnect failing and rendering a gun inoperable.

If you bump the mag release or fail to seat the magazine properly and you don't have a mag disconnect you will also have a club after the round in the chamber gets fired because the magazine is going to drop to the ground.
 

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If you bump the mag release or fail to seat the magazine properly and you don't have a mag disconnect you will also have a club after the round in the chamber gets fired because the magazine is going to drop to the ground.
Yup. But at least you've got one shot. Whereas with a mag safety disconnect, you've got none.

I prefer one to none. YMMV.
 
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Because John Moses Browning (Peace Be Upon Him) didn't need a magazine disconnect. Ergo, they are evil.

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Actully My 1908 pocket pistol has one, and most Hi-Powers do as well. so that isn't quite accurate:

Yup. But at least you've got one shot. Whereas with a mag safety disconnect, you've got none.

I prefer one to none. YMMV.
And that's what I mean. better one shot than a FTF. Espeshally since you'll notice that as you draw. Not a good place to be.

I just see them as more drawbacks for very little gain. I mean its not like anybody is bitching about Glocks or Sigs (or Revolvers) not having manual safties. No replacement for safe gun handling!

Arrrr

-Weer'd Beard
 

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Do they have Mag Disconnects?

That's a deal-breaker for me!

I can't see the writing on the bigger one but the compact appears
to be an LE/non neutered version. (I can see the "will fire with magazine
removed" writing on it).

I generally refuse to buy any gun with a mag safety unless the gun is
really good and that's the only way it comes. The only gun I can think
of offhand that really qualifies for that notional is a Browning Hi-Power.
Even then I'd still end up getting it removed. Mag safeties provide little
to no benefit, and end up being an annoying feature that you have to
fight around to get the gun to work properly. IMO a mag safety just
creates complacency- which is something you don't want when handling
firearms. Even if the mag safety will guard against one kind of bonehead
mistake, it still won't prevent a bazillion others.

Apparently on the M+P the mag safety can be removed... something else
to do I guess when one is under the hood fixing the terribly overweight
trigger. The thing is though, I'd rather -not- have to do any of that
when buying a new handgun.

-Mike
 
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Mag safeties provide little
to no benefit, and end up being an annoying feature that you have to
fight around to get the gun to work properly.
I've never had to fight around the mag disconnect on my 915 to make it work properly. It is invisible to me.
IMO a mag safety just creates complacency- which is something you don't want when handling firearms.
You could say the same about any safety. But I am sure you have at least some firearms with other types of mechanical safeties.
 

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I've never had to fight around the mag disconnect on my 915 to make it work properly. It is invisible to me.

They make it a pain in the ass to dry fire, among other
things, on a striker fired pistol which must be racked
every time. You can "work around" the issue by not racking the
slide all the way to lock, but that's a pain in the ass. I also hate
the fact that I can't bring a hammer down on a BHP without having
the mag installed. It's just annoying.

If I only had one auto that had a mag safety, I could probably
learn to live with it, but why pay for something that pisses me off? [smile]

You could say the same about any safety. But I am sure you have at least some firearms with other types of mechanical safeties.

I guess its a matter of taste more than anything else, I just
feel that magazine safeties are generally like those dumb "mow in
reverse" lockouts on all the new riding lawnmowers.... a poorly
thought out feature designed to address serious deficiency
in training or procedure- and on top of that, they only "do" anything
in a couple of corner cases. Compare that to things
like grip safeties and drop safeties.... at least they have the advantage
of being applicable to more than a couple of possible scenarios or
circumstances.

FWIW, I do own numerous handguns with and without manual safeties. None of
them are as obnoxious and non-intuitive as a mag safety is, and in some cases
using the safety is purely an option. (eg, the frame mounted safety on a Beretta 92FS, for
instance.... I use it as a decocker and leave it in the "red is dead" position. )

-Mike
 
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