No idea. Anyone?
So you have no idea what course of instruction ROTC cadets receive?
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No idea. Anyone?
So you have no idea what course of instruction ROTC cadets receive?
No, no idea, as I said. I was never in ROTC, I'm sorry. Why don't you enlighten me if you find it so humorous?
I object to the moronic assumption that ROTC cadets are somehow trained or are in any way more prepared to deal with that situation than another student.
The Senator from Alabama is taking this one right from the Massachusetts patronage/nepotism playbook. Or is it the Mass one is based on the Alabama playbook.
This has GOT to be one of the most idiotic things I have ever seen.+100. Our 'All or nothing' attitude is why we usually end up with nothing.
Why the double-standard?
And to add a dollop of crap frosting, how much you want to bet someone within DOD issues an edict saying that (insert superior rank person here) can "ban" the practice at their own discretion, regardless of its legality, thus making the entire
law that got passed essentially moot?
See, that's where you're losing me. Ideally (and constitutionally), I agree 100% that every able-bodied college student who chooses to should be allowed to carry regardless of their affiliations. Realistically you know as well as I that this will not happen in today's society with one stroke of the pen. That being the case, what is there to lose by gradually allowing students to carry until the end result is the same? Get the cadets carrying, then point out that their level of preparation and training is no different than any other students. This has the potential of being a very persuasive argument that could open the door for the rest of our students to be able to exercise this right.No double standards and no BS about who is better prepared. Including ROTC as a requirement is about as stupid as saying they have to be Emo or Goth (they will be safer because they care about peoples feelings).
I say yes.
I mean, we always say "We're not the criminals," so why would ROTC students be? Why do we have this sudden fear that the ROTC troops will misrepresent us as gun owners?
To me, it sounds like a lot of you just don't want guns in colleges, but are afraid to voice that opinion. ROTC students are no better or worse than any others, as people have said in this topic. If they can't CCW, why should ANY college students be allowed?
Wrong. Letting them be the exception is a step back. It will not gain the general population anything because they are military. It sets them apart further from the general population.Letting ROTC members carry on campus is a small step towards gun rights for everyone.
The day that one of them is in a mall when some psycho lets loose will be a start. It will clearly demonstrate that lifting restrictions results in a safer populace. More fuel for the fire that ALL CCW holders should be carrying everywhere. Incrementalism is better than an unrealistic expectation that all restrictions will be lifted at once, and also better than being obstinate to the point that no restrictions are lifted at all.The proponents have not done same. All I hear from your side is that incrementalism is good. Sure, in a general sense it is. But how is it good in THIS instance? How much good did we get from the incrementalism of letting off-duty and retired cops carry concealed all over the country?
There is absolutely NOTHING else different between cadets and the general population.
This is my point. If they'll only allow us to give firearms to ROTC, why not? Like someone said before, our "All or nothing" attitude has only made **** worse for us. If this is what they'll give us, the right for ROTC students to carry on campus, then why not if they're no different than the rest of us?
+1000This bill makes supporters of the second amendment look like morons and cretins.
Hey this inmature 21 year old is an ROTC Cadet as well, so just watch the offensive remarks. Not all ROTC students are 18/19 and some of us are either currently enlisted reservists or are prior service. Make your point without generalizing your perception of what you think a group might be.Does anyone here understand how (in)mature an 18 or 19 year old college student really is?
Because that is ALL that ROTC cadets are. Oh, they take a mil science class once a week. Whoopee.....
Bully for you.Hey this inmature 21 year old is an ROTC Cadet as well, so just watch the offensive remarks. Not all ROTC students are 18/19 and some of us are either currently enlisted reservists or are prior service. Make your point without generalizing your perception of what you think a group might be.