security guards and Handcuffs....

[tigersplint]

B. i'd never in a million years want to put myself in a position where i'd have to be a defendant in a case where the plaintiff was a shoplifter whom i stopped and subsequently injured or something else.

Self defense. I feared for my life and safety of others, as well as instructed in loud clear voice,numerous times to stop. That's when the plaintiff continued to be non-compliant and aggressively attack me.

 

[GSG]

That's EXACTLY what I was when I worked security, and I doubt that it's changed much over 30 years and in a different state.

The problem is "security" is a very generic title. It includes under the table bar bouncers, the guy manning a sign in sheet at an office building, nuke plants with AR's, patrolling low income housing (some as SPO's, some not, all responding to 911 calls, a few companies in Boston come to mind here), loss prevention, alarm response, disaster relief teams like the ones scrambled from around the country to respond to hurricanes in the South, bodyguards, hotel concierge, fed contracts at FLETC or military bases, interstate prisoner transport, hospital security wrestling Section 12's, Thousands Standing Around, 3rd shift handling the keys at a factory, armored cars, retail security accepting deliveries for the store after hours, nightwatchmen, the guy in charge of setting the "this is how fast you should surrender" policies for bank employees, guards at battered women's shelters, the armed crews doing forced shutdowns/takeovers of banks and their assets during the savings & loan crisis for the FDIC, ushers in churches, and the countless barely paid, never trained companies around the nation who provide someone who can scratch out a report and maybe call 911 if something happens. The most common kind is probably that last one, the stereotype. But the training, duties and compensation vary widely.

Self defense. I feared for my life and safety of others, as well as instructed in loud clear voice,numerous times to stop. That's when the plaintiff continued to be non-compliant and aggressively attack me.

That comes off as...flirting with fiction.

 

[dwarven1]

3rd shift handling the keys at a factory, nightwatchmen, guards at battered women's shelters, and the countless barely paid, never trained companies around the nation who provide someone who can scratch out a report and call 911 if something happens.

I see you're familiar with the company I used to work for.

 

[tigersplint]

That comes off as...flirting with fiction.

Actual quote from Report writing

 

[weekendracer]

Yup, pretty much. And even then there still isn't a 100% guarantee that you won't get hassled.

I had a truancy officer try to badge me at a checkpoint once. Didn't turn out so well for him.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

B. i'd never in a million years want to put myself in a position where i'd have to be a defendant in a case where the plaintiff was a shoplifter whom i stopped and subsequently injured or something else. not worth it AT ALL. security jobs are a dime a dozen.

And (c) you not only get dang close to minimum wage, but no employer will give you a contractual guarantee of indemnification from damages and an employer provided legal team, through and including appellate work, if you are sued or charged as a result of on the job action.

You forgot to mention that the FIRST suspect in any robbery of something, particularly something under armed guard, is the guard.

Self defense. I feared for my life and safety of others, as well as instructed in loud clear voice,numerous times to stop. That's when the plaintiff continued to be non-compliant and aggressively attack me.

And how exactly is this going to protect you from tens of thousands in either settlement money or legal fees?

 

[GSG]

Actual quote from Report writing

I'm saying that based on the statement you were replying to, it seems like "I stopped him for shoplifting and we fought" is being turned into "He attacked me, we fought until the police arrived, and turns out he was a shoplifter." To be frank it reads like dishonesty in that context. I may have misunderstood you though.

 

[r1dermon]

And (c) you not only get dang close to minimum wage, but no employer will give you a contractual guarantee of indemnification from damages and an employer provided legal team, through and including appellate work, if you are sued or charged as a result of on the job action.

You forgot to mention that the FIRST suspect in any robbery of something, particularly something under armed guard, is the guard.



And how exactly is this going to protect you from tens of thousands in either settlement money or legal fees?

well, the company i work for actually compensates us fairly well, but we're also trained in first aid/cpr, emergency response, and various other disaster scenario's, as well, we operate a full on 911 dispatch post, which, anyone inside the company who dials 911 on a company phone, reaches us 1st.

although it's not 6 figures, it turns out not bad for an entry level job when you factor in overtime.

and i wholeheartedly agree with (c). people often ask me if i'd rather be armed, (since we're not), i always say, hell no. all the liability that go's with being armed...and i dont get paid 70 grand a year, so i dont get paid enough to be armed.

 

[GSG]

and i wholeheartedly agree with (c). people often ask me if i'd rather be armed, (since we're not), i always say, hell no. all the liability that go's with being armed...and i dont get paid 70 grand a year, so i dont get paid enough to be armed.

The big advantage of being armed is when you're alone in the dark and someone tries to kill you, you can fight back.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

If anything ever gets to a serious litigation level, just imagine how it's going to look if you are asked all your screen names during discovery at deposition and it turns out you posted an exact copy of the words you used to describe the encounter years before it actually happened?

 

[tigersplint]

If anything ever gets to a serious litigation level, just imagine how it's going to look if you are asked all your screen names during discovery at deposition and it turns out you posted an exact copy of the words you used to describe the encounter years before it actually happened?

Look at some police reports....cut and paste, change the name.

 

[r1dermon]

If anything ever gets to a serious litigation level, just imagine how it's going to look if you are asked all your screen names during discovery at deposition and it turns out you posted an exact copy of the words you used to describe the encounter years before it actually happened?

could a court order a motion to compel discovery, through deposition, which would force me to self-incriminate myself? in other words, could a court force testimony out of me which would implicate me in that regard? even under subpeona i shouldn't be forced to incriminate myself...

 

[Rob Boudrie]

could a court order a motion to compel discovery, through deposition, which would force me to self-incriminate myself? in other words, could a court force testimony out of me which would implicate me in that regard? even under subpeona i shouldn't be forced to incriminate myself...

First off, the courts have held that being compelled to provide information (for example, disclosing an encryption password if a warrant is issued and your computer is suspected of holding child pornography) is non-testimonial in nature and thus not under 5th amendment protection. Read up on US v. Boucher - someone stopped at customs was ordered to turn over his password. The magistrate upheld his 5th amendment right against self incrimination, but the federal court ruled that this information was not protected by the 5th and had to be disclosed. He disclosed it, was convicted, and sentenced to 3 years.

Secondly, the 5th ammendment does not provide a pass to questions asked at civil deposition unless you are being asked to admit to criminal activity, and asking what on-line forums you use and what your screen name is on each does not rise to that level.