sar vs wsar

[garyz]

can someone tell me in lamen's terms what the difference
between a sar-1 and a wsar-10 is?
i see fs has one of each on their used gun list, but i have no
idea what the difference is.

thx
garyz

 

[kendall-op]

I think the main difference is the wsar was a single stack converted to double stack magazine opening for more capacity.I could be wrong.

 

[drgrant]

Yeah, I think the SAR-1 was normally a normal cap mag while
the WASR-10 comes in as a lowcap and then gets haxored by century
arms so it takes regular mags.


-Mike

 

[SKS Ray]

Everything you wanted to know in the diferences can be found here: http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/model2.htm
IMO I'd get the SAR1

 

[garyz]

thx

thx for the info and the link
it appears the main difference is the wsar is low cap and sar is high cap
could be a shopping trip this week. i have thursday off,hmmmmmmmm.


thx
garyz

 

[drgrant]

thx for the info and the link
it appears the main difference is the wsar is low cap and sar is high cap
could be a shopping trip this week. i have thursday off,hmmmmmmmm.


thx
garyz

Well, all WASR-10s you see locally have typically been converted to
30 rnd mags. So the "reality" is that they're both hicaps... the SAR-1 just
seems a bit nicer because it was that way from the factory and not mucked up by middlemen.

-Mike

 

[SKS Ray]

Plus the SAR has the dimple in the receiver which prevents magazine wobble. The WASRs have a welded in place steel plate to do the same. From what I've heard though, mags don't fit as nice as they do in the SAR1s with the factory dimple. I've also heard magazine insertion is much easier and quicker with a dimpled receiver over the steel plates. Check out any pics of AK builds or SAR1s and you'll see a small oval shaped stamp right above where the magazine goes.
As far as the SAR1 being nicer... the muzzle not being screwed with as far as welded nuts, bayonet lug manglings, and all the other post ban/no ban stuff that went horribly wrong with Century AKs, does indeed make for a nicer looking rifle.

MY SAR1:

FWIW... it still has enough of a lug that I can clamp a bayonet on it.

Most importantly whichever one you decide to go with just remember this one important thing if you think about adding plastic and cheesy tactical accessories to it...

Special thanks to JonJ for providing me with that picture.

 

[Marcus in the Darkus]

Yeah, I've heard that the SAR is a little nicer. There were some nasty-sharp metal edges around my mag well where Century had hogged it out to take 30-round mags. Five minutes with a small file and it was all better.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Not sure if the WSAR has this but the SAR-1s have some serious trigger slap.

 

[Twigg]

Not sure if the WSAR has this but the SAR-1s have some serious trigger slap.

+1 on the trigger slap ! I recently installed the Tapco replacement trigger and all I can say is: What a difference !

Tha only downside is I find bump firing to be a bit more difficult. YMMV.

 

[adweisbe]

Trigger slap is easy to cure with a dremel or a mill cut bastard file.

 

[garyz]

great place

i love nes
i asked a question, hoping to get an answer, and look what i got
an answer, links to info (great reading) , things to look for and look out for
what a great place. thx to everyone that answered.

garyz

 

[Marcus in the Darkus]

I was warned about trigger slap on the WASR, and I read that the cause of it was Century Arms' use of a crappy trigger group, so I ordered a Tapco G2 fire control group shortly after I got the rifle. When I went to install it, it turned out the WASR already came with a Tapco FCG. I guess they got the message.

 

[garyz]

trigger slap

ok, i keep reading about trigger slap, and numerous fixes for it,
but what is trigger slap?

garyz

 

[Dirtypacman]

Finger/Hand goes ouch because the TRIGGER SLAP is so bad that it hurts to fire a round.... I have shot AK's that the trigger is so bad in the cold I did not even want to fire off the 30round mag I loaded.

 

[Rockrivr1]

It's basically immediatly after you pull the trigger. When the bolt cycles the trigger is reset with such force that it actually slaps your trigger finger. At times its a very hard and stinging slap. Makes shooting a lot of rounds not very fun.

 

[adweisbe]

It's a very easy fix, trigger slap results from having too much material on the X (I think it was the disconnector). No worries about removing too much material as the surface in question is not critical. Just dremel it away.

 

[drgrant]

Almost all cheap AKs have trigger slap. It can either be fixed by adweisbe 's
advice (a trigger job) or by replacing the whole trigger group. Most people
do the latter because they are trying to get their parts count up so they can
do the usual 3 ring circus tricks with USC 922(r) compliance.

I have a MISR-90 that has trigger slap.. its not too bad, but eventually I'll
get around to fixing it.

-Mike

 

[crak]

My buddy Sharad says Vasily can stick it where the Stalin don't shine.

(My SAR-3 w/ side-mount Kobra red dot, Krebs peep sight, RSA innards, and Samco grip at Harvard Riflemen)

 

[Lxpony]

Trigger slap and quality of the rifle have no relationship

The worst trigger slap I ever had was on an Arsenal SLR105- not a cheap quality rifle.....

 

[drgrant]

Trigger slap and quality of the rifle have no relationship

The worst trigger slap I ever had was on an Arsenal SLR105- not a cheap quality rifle....

I made that statement on admittedly anecdotal evidence... I have fired cheap
AKs and expensive ones... and typically the cheap ones have the
slap, and more expensive guns like the newer Arsenals and the VEPRs
don't. It's certainly possible to have a more expensive gun that has
the problem, though... but I've never seen an AK for less than $350
that didn't have it, unless it was a used one that somebody had
already modified.

Edit: Marcus said he got a TAPCO fcg in his WASR so maybe the trend is
changing... maybe the dealers told them that they'd sell a lot more
rifles if they didn't put junk parts in for the FCG.


-Mike

 

[blindndead]

Everything you wanted to know in the diferences can be found here: http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/model2.htm
IMO I'd get the SAR1

I am learning way to much, your old post just answered my question. that is a good link.

 

[SKS Ray]

I am learning way to much, your old post just answered my question. that is a good link.

Especially when you learn the art/joy of bump firing.

 

[Uncle Fester]

My WASR had the Tapco trigger in it as well.