Reciprocity gets out of committee - not sure if dupe

I won't be able to ewhatch the rules committee realtime, I'll be at the range, I'll watch it later tonight.
 
42!, I enjoy reading your comments and they are insightful but please please stop bashing people with your "fact" based assertions in order to "win" your argument. In particular, when some of your follow-on comments, frankly, are also devoid of factual basis and are instead experientially based opinion. Perhaps they are accurate but are still opinion. Same with other peoples opinions. You have the same limited set of facts as everyone some of which are conflicting. There are simply a differing set of opinions on what this actually means and, guess what, that's why these conversations occur.

To be clear, your comments are enlightening and your passion for the topic unbounded (we are all on the same side) but your message gets watered down when you attempt to make others look ignorant. Personally, I find it hard to read comments when the first line is "...I just prefer to look at the facts..." and then continue along to say "...did you consider..." and "....might..." shortly after noting you don't give much credence to "what if" scenarios. This sounds like an editorial attempting to conflate "fact" with opinion, to me. Which just so happens to be within the same vein of what you seemingly rally against.

It's always difficult to get your message through to people but I know you are better than this. You have passionate feelings towards the topic and you have great thoughts. Thank you for sharing them. Likewise, insults directed at each other are useless. Please stay on the high road.
 
It should play out like a drivers license. Yes, the federal gov't could try and impose some common set of standards, but it would be a real improvement for people who have to go to NY, CA, Illinois, D.C., NJ (god help you).
 
READ THE REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE:

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/115th-congress/house-report/433


Highlights:
An amendment offered by Mr. Nadler to prohibit individuals
convicted of any violent crime, including misdemeanors, from car-
rying a concealed firearm was defeated by a roll call vote of 12 to
15.

An amendment offered by Mr. Deutch to allow a state to pro-
hibit the carrying of a concealed firearm on private property was
defeated by a roll call vote of 10 to 14.

An amendment offered by Ms. Jackson Lee to prohibit individ-
uals convicted of domestic violence or stalking from being covered
by the bill was defeated by a roll call vote of 8 to 16.

An amendment offered by Ms. Lofgren to require that permit
holders acquire concealed carry permits in their home state was de-
feated by a roll call vote of 8 to 17

An amendment offered by Mr. Cohen to prohibit those under
the age of 21 from carrying a concealed firearm was defeated by
a roll call vote of 8 to 17.

An amendment offered by Mr. Cicilline to limit the number of
rounds of ammunition in the firearm being carried pursuant to this
bill was defeated by a roll call vote of 7 to 17.


. An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to allow states to limit
the eligibility of persons to carry a concealed firearm in their states
was defeated by a roll call vote of 7 to 12.

An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to prohibit a person
from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of a mis-
demeanor offense of assaulting or impersonating a police officer
failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 15.

An amendment offered by Mr. Deutch to prohibit a person
from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of ani-
mal cruelty during the previous five years failed by a roll call vote
of 8 to 12.

An amendment offered by Mr. Raskin to require states to es-
tablish a permit hotline in order for their permit holders to be able
to carry across state lines failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 17.

An amendment offered by Ms. Jackson Lee to prohibit a per-
son from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of
a hate crime failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 19.

An amendment offered by Mr. Schneider to prohibit a person
from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of a sec-
ond misdemeanor offense of driving under the influence within the
previous five years failed by a roll call vote of 9 to 18.

An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to require states to
implement private sale background checks before their permits
would be recognized failed by a roll call vote of 10 to 18.

Motion to report H.R. 38 favorably to the House. Approved
19 to 11.
 
allen-1 said:
READ THE REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE:

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/115th-congress/house-report/433


Highlights:
An amendment offered by Mr. Nadler to prohibit individuals
convicted of any violent crime, including misdemeanors, from car-
rying a concealed firearm was defeated by a roll call vote of 12 to
15.

An amendment offered by Mr. Deutch to allow a state to pro-
hibit the carrying of a concealed firearm on private property was
defeated by a roll call vote of 10 to 14.

An amendment offered by Ms. Jackson Lee to prohibit individ-
uals convicted of domestic violence or stalking from being covered
by the bill was defeated by a roll call vote of 8 to 16.

An amendment offered by Ms. Lofgren to require that permit
holders acquire concealed carry permits in their home state was de-
feated by a roll call vote of 8 to 17

An amendment offered by Mr. Cohen to prohibit those under
the age of 21 from carrying a concealed firearm was defeated by
a roll call vote of 8 to 17.

An amendment offered by Mr. Cicilline to limit the number of
rounds of ammunition in the firearm being carried pursuant to this
bill was defeated by a roll call vote of 7 to 17.


. An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to allow states to limit
the eligibility of persons to carry a concealed firearm in their states
was defeated by a roll call vote of 7 to 12.

An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to prohibit a person
from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of a mis-
demeanor offense of assaulting or impersonating a police officer
failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 15.

An amendment offered by Mr. Deutch to prohibit a person
from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of ani-
mal cruelty during the previous five years failed by a roll call vote
of 8 to 12.

An amendment offered by Mr. Raskin to require states to es-
tablish a permit hotline in order for their permit holders to be able
to carry across state lines failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 17.

An amendment offered by Ms. Jackson Lee to prohibit a per-
son from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of
a hate crime failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 19.

An amendment offered by Mr. Schneider to prohibit a person
from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of a sec-
ond misdemeanor offense of driving under the influence within the
previous five years failed by a roll call vote of 9 to 18.

An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to require states to
implement private sale background checks before their permits
would be recognized failed by a roll call vote of 10 to 18.

Motion to report H.R. 38 favorably to the House. Approved
19 to 11.
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Just to clarify, That is not from todays meeting. That was the previous committee.

Today was a result of the Union Calendar, the bill ended up there because of the "SEC. 207. AUTHORIZATIONS OF APPROPRIATIONS." part in the combined bill.
 
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42! said:
Give it time, baby steps.

Consider this. Once reciprocity is established what would the argument be that you shouldn't be able to buy over state lines. At least at gun stores, where they are already doing the background check. FTF might be harder to convince them since you'd have no way to make sure the buyer is legit.
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The courts already twisted themselves into knots over that horseshit in Abramski and came to the wrong conclusion..... not very optimistic on that front. There seems to be a bunch of retarded gnomish/byzantine empire type mysticism about "buying guns out of state" that the feds act irrationally about.

-Mike
 
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42! said:
For Gd sake, reciprocity is priming the pump for fed con carry in a couple years. It kills the anti con carry state's arguments. When the bar for carry is dropped to only what the fed restricts via reciprocity and the world doesn't fall apart, what's the argument against fed con carry?
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I gotta nice bridge to sell you, if you believe that.

-Mike
 
Noreaster78 said:
@MachineHead What was the final vote for? (My daughter walked up and asked me a question just before that and i missed it)

The one that passed 8-1 in favor.
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The final vote was for the school zone restrictions. The chairman wisely asked if any states already allowed that and Hastings (D-FL) rattled off like 10’states that allow it. That amendment was voted out 8-3. The very last vote was to end the meeting, I think.

Of note, I thought it was very hypocritical for Rep. Hastings to mention he has a CCP but thinks only military and police should be the only ones with guns. Another prevailing and erroneous idea thrown about was that 10 year olds would be able to carry in any state. At the end, this was a moment where the awkwardness was thick.

Here’s the entire video, but watch what starts to happen @1:33:45
View: https://youtu.be/Ad44uWXxt3c
 
MachineHead said:
The final vote was for the school zone restrictions. The chairman wisely asked if any states already allowed that and Hastings (D-FL) rattled off like 10’states that allow it. That amendment was voted out 8-3. The very last vote was to end the meeting, I think.
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No, it was the vote just after that, the one the ended the meeting. - Was curious what the motion was.


MachineHead said:
Here’s the entire video, but watch what starts to happen @1:33:45
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That's what i was referring to in an earlier post. Not sure where that amendment is, i didnt see it listed. It was not voted on either.
 
Noreaster78 said:
Bills are combined. Dems are pissed (or at least acting pissed). They seem to think that the FixNICS bill was bipartisan and would have passed without issue.
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That's a bummer. I am still worried that we will end up with reciprocity watered down to useless and fixnics beefed up with, for example, no transfer after 3 day delay
 
drgrant said:
The courts already twisted themselves into knots over that horseshit in Abramski and came to the wrong conclusion..... not very optimistic on that front. There seems to be a bunch of retarded gnomish/byzantine empire type mysticism about "buying guns out of state" that the feds act irrationally about.

-Mike
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The feds want to support states with handgun restrictions like ma and California. They will use whatever lies and pretzel logic they need to top maintain the status quo. It should have ended with the Brady Bill, that would have been a compromise
 

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