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Reciprocity gets out of committee - not sure if dupe
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I also find it amusing that there are chiefs on that list that are in f***ing con carry states (like Maine).... are they just clueless or something? ![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
ETA:
Anyone else notice the crapflooding in the document? Lots of people like this
guy mentioned.... and also lots of DUPLICATE names under different
roles, etc. Did they have an anti write this document?
"Data Technician Ii John Lara, Texas Dps Crime Records Service, Austin, TX"
like what the f*** is next, are they going to add the janitor of the PD on the list, too?
-Mike
ETA:
Anyone else notice the crapflooding in the document? Lots of people like this
guy mentioned.... and also lots of DUPLICATE names under different
roles, etc. Did they have an anti write this document?
"Data Technician Ii John Lara, Texas Dps Crime Records Service, Austin, TX"
like what the f*** is next, are they going to add the janitor of the PD on the list, too?
-Mike
I also find it amusing that there are chiefs on that list that are in f***ing con carry states (like Maine).... are they just clueless or something?
Most likely MA transplants. We get'em here in NH and try to throw them back over the border as quickly as possible.
![[laugh]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/012.gif "Laugh [laugh]")
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I guess we can add this to "what has Comm2A done for us?".
I know for a fact that some green towns have been painted thusly by Comm2A. The paint is water soluble and will wash off if we don't have a crew of painters at the ready.
When talking to people about licensing BS in this state I have noticed a huge trend, IMHO, and it seems to be inextricably correlated to Comm2A's presence. There are still red/shit towns, but a bunch of them have either flipped completely or are somewhat less douchey. (Not sure how this correlates to legalese stuff, but there seems to be a HUGE decrease in terms of that old trend of "downgrade on renewal" or "downgrade on move in". (for example Boston doesn't cripple existing
unrestricted that move in anymore, like they often used to. ). My guess is that either between Comm2A, or the crap-town attorneys figured out that downgrading someone that already had an unrestricted license for X years is "bad" legally, or places like Boston are trying to avoid putting a target on their back for more lawsuits... keep up the good work!
-Mike
Glockster30
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I also find it amusing that there are chiefs on that list that are in f***ing con carry states (like Maine).... are they just clueless or something?
ETA:
Anyone else notice the crapflooding in the document? Lots of people like this
guy mentioned.... and also lots of DUPLICATE names under different
roles, etc. Did they have an anti write this document?
"Data Technician Ii John Lara, Texas Dps Crime Records Service, Austin, TX"
like what the f*** is next, are they going to add the janitor of the PD on the list, too?
-Mike
A quick scan on just MA alone shows 3 cities listed twice, Brookline, Salisbury, and Lynnfield, the latter 2 with the same chief listed twice, as well.
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One thing that Comm2A has accomplished is that licensing officers can no longer look at a 20something applicant and think "we can do anything we want, this kid could never afford an attorney, and certainly not one for a federal case".
As to one of the "private things" we did - one local business owner in the Metrowest area was denied an LTC due to an old MJ conviction, even after we won Fletcher v. Haas and Wesson v. Fowler. We told him to let a Comm2a attorney handle it (and send Comm2a the bill), and he promptly got his LTC. No legal filing, just a polite call from our lawyer to the licensing officer to explain the facts of life. It also sent a clear message that Comm2a is ready to help people being given the bums rush.
Absent Comm2A, he could have hired a local attorney who knew little about those two cases, or that it was about enforcing an existing court order.
As to one of the "private things" we did - one local business owner in the Metrowest area was denied an LTC due to an old MJ conviction, even after we won Fletcher v. Haas and Wesson v. Fowler. We told him to let a Comm2a attorney handle it (and send Comm2a the bill), and he promptly got his LTC. No legal filing, just a polite call from our lawyer to the licensing officer to explain the facts of life. It also sent a clear message that Comm2a is ready to help people being given the bums rush.
Absent Comm2A, he could have hired a local attorney who knew little about those two cases, or that it was about enforcing an existing court order.
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Oh good, so all we need is for 40-something different sets of ego maniacs to come together and agree on something.
namedpipes
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The ONLY people that even know of that rating (or care) are on this website. And most of us are pretty much stuck where we are.
amm5061
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You can only do that if you're voting Democrat. Or you're dead, which is pretty much the same thing.
Mike is right, I know a lot of retired chiefs & officers who couldn't wait to turn in their issued guns and they never carried off the job. Those I know interested in LEOSA are all pro-2A people.
Oh good, so all we need is for 40-something different sets of ego maniacs to come together and agree on something.
Easier than convincing shitty fed level politicians... and honestly the resolution process would only involve like 10 states or so because most of the utah/florida reciprocals largely agree already.
Kicker96FS
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Is there a town in Mass that didn't sign on? NH had what, 5? ME also had a very small number.
amm5061
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Both Hopkinton and Ashland did not, among others.
fshalor
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They were probably on vacation or golfing or something.
ME doesn't surprise me. I should look .guess is Portland, Scarborough, Westbrook, Gray and maybe Brunswick .
KBCraig
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That is exactly how driver licenses work. There is no federally mandated DL reciprocity, it's all an agreement between the states to recognize the others' licenses.
I opposed LEOSA when I was an active LEO, because the Constitution doesn't allow for such federal mandates.
Did I take advantage of it? Sure. Just like I take advantage of any tax breaks I can get, while opposing the taxes themselves.
After retirement, I've not bothered with the annual certification, because I'm content in the constitutional carry land of Northern New England. If I travel back to visit family in Arkansas, I enjoy constitutional carry there as well. Texas isn't as free, but I can at least carry license-free in a vehicle there.
You can open the link below then search for cities or town. It looks like there are a few not on the list.
View: https://www.scribd.com/document/376802590/IACPLtr042018#download&from_embed
Maybe. There is an open question if such an expansive compact would not require congressional approval.
Would such a compact be exempt under the Virginia v. Tennessee ruling? I don't know. Since the current reciprocity agreements have not been challenged by the feds the answer is that it probably would not need congressional approval so it's worth a shot. But I also can imagine a hostile DoJ deciding to sue to stop it as well.
CatSnoutSoup
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I was not a fan of this legislation, but this letter is an annoying attempt by COPs to hold power.
It would appear that there is only one COP in north central MA that signed on to that letter, Michael Bennett of Templeton, and his department is currently appealing for tax money for station renovations.
Leave another comment if you think he should give up his LEOSA privilege -- along with getting a tin cup and begging for the dough like the rest of us the unwashed.
It would appear that there is only one COP in north central MA that signed on to that letter, Michael Bennett of Templeton, and his department is currently appealing for tax money for station renovations.
Leave another comment if you think he should give up his LEOSA privilege -- along with getting a tin cup and begging for the dough like the rest of us the unwashed.
Love Machine
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Chief Brooks from Norwood signed that crap letter, that's a shame.
Cap'n Mike
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The Boston Police Facebook page posted this letter and the comments are 99% against Commissioner Evans opinion.
View: https://www.facebook.com/BostonPoliceDepartment/posts/10155539053857685
That gave me a chuckle.
View: https://www.facebook.com/BostonPoliceDepartment/posts/10155539053857685
That gave me a chuckle.
CatSnoutSoup
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Mesatchornug
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My bad, should have included a sarcasm tag.
amm5061
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EC1
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Sorry, do you have a reference? I was under the impression that DL reciprocity was granted via the commerce dept. a long time back, in order to eliminate a patch work of laws (such as we have with carry laws today),. Thanks.
namedpipes
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We still have the patchwork. Different states have different rules, procedures, tests... But a Montana drivers license is still good anywhere a Massachusetts license is.
Okay, I can't stand the guy, but I have always been one of the "through hard work, the right connections and being smart he 'earned' his position". This was always based on his tests, lack of disciplinary actions against him and keeping his nose clean. I never said he deserved the position or was the best - I was just saying he and his political cronies promoted him up the ranks. Being the brother of a former Boston Commissioner definitely didn't hurt him either.
Paul and Brian Evans: Paul F. Evans - Wikipedia
BUT THIS IS JUST f***ING OUTRAGEOUS! You will never hear the 'hard work' part from me again. This is just politics, cronyism and stupidity. If not worse.
Boston Police Department (Official)
· [URL='https://www.facebook.com/BostonPoliceDepartment/posts/10155539053857685']April 19 at 6:03am · [/URL]
[URL='https://www.facebook.com/BostonPoliceDepartment/?hc_ref=ARTquwKs_FcFelZTcPtFplitwed-qM70CdTLbdEb-RH7yfu7mpxNim9PCpNcdrLOsv8&fref=nf']Law Enforcement Coalition Gathers to Oppose Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act
Boston – Today Commissioner William Evans of Boston, MA released a letter of opposition to the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017. The letter was signed by 473 law enforcement agencies from 39 states. Law enforcement officials nationwide joined together to oppose the bill that dismantles state-level concealed carry permitting systems and creates a dangerous race to the bottom for irresponsible firearm ownership standards.
Statement by Boston Police Department Commissioner William Evans:
“This bill would override state laws determining who is qualified to carry a loaded hidden gun – laws which take into account the unique circumstances and needs in each state--and would force states to allow individuals to carry guns who are not qualified to do so under their own laws,” said Commissioner Evans of the legislation. “During traffic stops and other interactions with the public, our officers would have to be familiar with 50 different state’s laws on conceal carry permitting. Given the split-second decisions our officers frequently need to make, this is nearly impossible and can foreseeably lead to violent confrontations. As law enforcement officers across the US, we oppose this dangerous threat to our officers and to public safety.”
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Paul and Brian Evans: Paul F. Evans - Wikipedia
BUT THIS IS JUST f***ING OUTRAGEOUS! You will never hear the 'hard work' part from me again. This is just politics, cronyism and stupidity. If not worse.
Boston Police Department (Official)
· [URL='https://www.facebook.com/BostonPoliceDepartment/posts/10155539053857685']April 19 at 6:03am · [/URL]
[URL='https://www.facebook.com/BostonPoliceDepartment/?hc_ref=ARTquwKs_FcFelZTcPtFplitwed-qM70CdTLbdEb-RH7yfu7mpxNim9PCpNcdrLOsv8&fref=nf']Law Enforcement Coalition Gathers to Oppose Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act
Boston – Today Commissioner William Evans of Boston, MA released a letter of opposition to the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017. The letter was signed by 473 law enforcement agencies from 39 states. Law enforcement officials nationwide joined together to oppose the bill that dismantles state-level concealed carry permitting systems and creates a dangerous race to the bottom for irresponsible firearm ownership standards.
Statement by Boston Police Department Commissioner William Evans:
“This bill would override state laws determining who is qualified to carry a loaded hidden gun – laws which take into account the unique circumstances and needs in each state--and would force states to allow individuals to carry guns who are not qualified to do so under their own laws,” said Commissioner Evans of the legislation. “During traffic stops and other interactions with the public, our officers would have to be familiar with 50 different state’s laws on conceal carry permitting. Given the split-second decisions our officers frequently need to make, this is nearly impossible and can foreseeably lead to violent confrontations. As law enforcement officers across the US, we oppose this dangerous threat to our officers and to public safety.”
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Evans states some states have fewer restrictions than MA putting MA residents in danger . What does he say that some towns in MA have fewer restrictions than Boston. Since Boston has a shooting requirement, does that mean somebody in a town that doesn’t have a shooting requirement, like most, puts Boston residence in danger ?
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A couple of states allow drivers licenses before the age of 16 (I think both Dakotas still do this).
I know that some states have a provision that no out of state or foreign license issued to someone under age 16 will be recognized, which is proof by example that states are not required to honor other states drivers licenses.
It's just that since most people drive, the marketplace demands reciprocity. The same would happen with carry if a majority of people cared about that issue.
