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So an FFL would sell me something knowing I cannot legally own it in MA? Even though the FFL is in MA? I see in your earlier response you highlighted what is considered a "large capacity feeding device".. what you didn't include is the legislature stating a LTC-A holder may not possess it. Please elaborate on the part stating I cannot posses?
If you call Remington with the serial number they will tell you if it is a police or not. This one was purchased new in 1981 and we confirmed it.this is mine, run of the mill 870, 18.5" bbl, late 70's, early 80's vintage. bought it at a local shop about 1990. I was led to believe it was suppose to be a police trade-in but looks too good for that so dunno the pedigree. I always figured the perp I was pointing it at didn't care how dressed up it was, neither did I, so it's stock except for the mag extender I put on. it's retired now and lives in the back of my safe. I remember it throwing 00 buck into a nice tight group at 7 yds.
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OK, so are the tubes considered magazines? If so, can't they hold more than 5 rounds of the new "mini-shell" shotgun ammo? Then how do they fall within the law? I doubt they have an exemption for those mini-shells yet.
Yes if it holds more than ten rounds. That would be illegal if it was a pump or not. A magazine fed semi auto shotgun would be an assault weapon no matter how many rounds it held.A pump gun is not an assault weapon but it can still have a high-capacity feeding device and be illegal. I'm not aware of any prosecutions over pump shotguns holding more than five shells but IANAL.
Please attach legal evidence to back that up or take it elsewhere please.
Understood JUDGE M60
didn't realize they'd do that, thanks for the info, will try tomorrow sometime. my curiosity is at full attention.If you call Remington with the serial number they will tell you if it is a police or not.
You're new here; a lot of people who have wrestled with this for years have offered you free advice. Many of them teach this stuff. I'm going to speak slowly, try to keep up.Based on my findings in the above quoted section, it is also illegal to sell a Gen4 Glock or any other new firearm with preban mags? The new firearm technically becomes a post ban large capacity weapon in conjunction with preban mags?
General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 121 (Definitions)
General Law - Part IV, Title I, Chapter 269, Section 10F (Law on Transfer)
I got all tingly thinking of the flamethrower aspect.I’m all about tube fed for home defense. That said, the positive side of the mag fed is you can SBS that thing down to the 10.5 inch sweet spot. That would be a lightening quick home defense shotty and a decent flame thrower for night ops.
Is a "tube extender" considered a "detachable magazine"?
Just curious.
Has anyone in Massachusetts ever been convicted for shotgun magazine violations (outside of special hunting restrictions)?
Is a "tube extender" considered a "detachable magazine"?
Just curious.
Has anyone in Massachusetts ever been convicted for shotgun magazine violations (outside of special hunting restrictions)?
Per General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 121 (emphasis mine)
''Large capacity feeding device'', (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994. The term ''large capacity feeding device'' shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with,.22 caliber ammunition.
The term ''large capacity weapon'' shall be a secondary designation and shall apply to a weapon in addition to its primary designation as a firearm, rifle or shotgun and shall not include: (i) any weapon that was manufactured in or prior to the year 1899; (ii) any weapon that operates by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (iii) any weapon that is a single-shot weapon;
LenS
OK folks, I do have an answer to the tube-fed mags in MA. At the MA Firearms Law Update I asked Ron about this.
If the tube is integral with the gun, the tube itself can never be considered a "large capacity feeding device". The rationale for this is that if you removed the tube and tried to "load" it with rifle/shotgun rounds, they would just fall out of the tube (the spring/guts of the tube mag won't stay in place either) and thus a hollow tube isn't a "feeding device".
This holds for semi-auto, pump, or lever-action guns.
Rolling with Kalash, just come to the dark side with me. As soon as these slack f***s at ATF get back to work and Remington starts shipping this will be a sweet SBS. Not a shotty but a firearm so probably 50 state legal.
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If anybody can direct me to a shockwave or tac 14. Please mail me I have been searching over a year for one.
I have an Ithaca stake out (AOW) and really want one of these!!!
If anybody can direct me to a shockwave or tac 14. Please mail me I have been searching over a year for one.
I have an Ithaca stake out (AOW) and really want one of these!!!
Yes, but mostly hunters, violating hunting regulations. Pretty sure it's 3 round max for water fowl and 5 round max for deer. You have to install a magazine limiting device for these hunting scenarios. A good example is my Benelli, M1 Super 90. It holds more than 5 rounds, so I had to install such a device, to hunt deer in Ma.
If you hunt coyotes, in the daylight hours, there are no legal magazine restrictions. You can hunt coyote with a M1A and use a 20 round magazine, or a AR15, with a 30 round magazine, if you like.
You couldn't have looked that hard since a LGS about 10 to 12 miles from you advertises a shockwave.
MOSSBERG 590 SHOCKWAVE 14″ 12 GAUGE – The Gun Parlor