Pre Ban AR Mags

Status
Not open for further replies.
L

Lkwinnipesaukee

Joined
Sep 24, 2006
Messages
158
Likes
1
Location
Worcester County
Feedback: 0 / 0 / 0
Hypothetically, I imagine that I could have an AR (which is cased, locked, embedded in cement under the floor of the corner of a basement, owned by my licensed father) that I believe would be made in 11/04. Now, if I had said rifle, could I buy and use those surplus pre ban mags I see online and at gunshows?

Again, if I were 16, would I be allowed to buy them (online or in person) myself, or would my father technically have to?


Thanks
 
Last edited:
With the usual search reminders out of the way,
the manufacturing date of your rifle has no bearing on what magazine it can accept.
It only affects the evil features (tm) it can posses.
I don't know about the age, but I would suggest that unless you have the proper license, it may not be the best idea for you to purchase them.
 
Lkwinnipesaukee said:
I have an AR that I believe was made in 11/04. Can I buy and use those surplus pre ban mags I see online and at gunshows?

Am I (16 y/o) allowed to buy them (online or in person) myself, or does my father technically have to?
Click to expand...

You cannot lawfully even possess the magazines, still less the rifle. The mail-order purchase you suggest is exactly what the AG used to overstep his authority and criminalize ALL sales of ammo, mags and components, even to those duly licensed, even when the vendors have copies of the customers' licenses.

An AR requires an LTC, which a 16-year old cannot hold. You should know that, as should your father. Your post is evidence that each of you needs to do some serious reading.
 
Does your Dad know you are posting on a gun forum asking legal questions ? Do you realize you just admitted to a felony(in MA) saying you have an AR ?

This all sounds like a trap set up by Menino.

Imagine this kids buys some mags from someone here posting a WTS add...Maybe there should be some sort of age verification or something.

Scary.
 
Last edited:
At least you don't call a bullet a HEAD. [wink] [rofl] Pretty good for a YOUT. [smile]

Don't let the semantics get you down, but pay attention to the reason he said what he did.

B
 
Will do.

Ok here's a better question. What if all of this took place in NH (or VT)? I am allowed to possess 'high cap' rifles there, correct? Would I be allowed to buy, possess, use, and STORE high cap mags in one of those two beautiful states? Prebans?
 
Is it startin' to get hot in here? Ah Scriv, you remember what it's like to be young right? LAKEWINNIE If you are only 16 then you know you legally can not be in possession of any firearm covered by an LTC-A. Your father, if he is legally licensed to do so, must purchase preban mags for his rifle. What he allows you to do with that under his supervision is his business.
 
AFAIK, NH is still a free state. You could take a 30rnd mag to "show and tell" at home room in your HS with out running into trouble with the law. The Principal may call the cops, but I don't think you would have broken any laws.

I had my mom buy me an M1A for competing when I was 17. I feel your pain. [smile]

B
 
JmasterJ said:
LAKEWINNIE If you are only 16 then you know you legally can not be in possession of any firearm covered by an LTC-A.
Click to expand...

NOT just an A - ANY LTC.

Note that an LTC/B is perfectly fine for ALL long arms, even the demonic "assault weapons."

Yes, I was young once (a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away). I also brought a rifle to school, repeatedly - on the bus - and fired blanks through it IN SCHOOL, with zero repercussions.

That was then and now is now. A ziphead w/an AR in this state at this time is a Felon In Waiting. Advise accordingly.
 
Yes, I was young once
Click to expand...

And what the hell happened between then and now?

You remind me of Scrooge. You know... the one from A Christmas Carol. The old guy going around trying to ruin everyone's day, in the form of sarcastic remarks, grammar corections, and flaming. I bet you go around telling little kids there's no Santa. Just admit it.

Ziphead? Come on Scrivvy. That's not cool.
 
Summary:

1) Un-supervised child posting legal questions about his fathers assault rifles.

2) One could assume since he is un-supervised,he has access to his fathers assault rifles.

3) Wants to know if he can buy magazines in NH for his fathers assault rifle,which one can interpret as more un-supervised access to a rifle.

4) Child edits his post in a sarcastic way to reflect following comments.

5) Un-supervised child "flames" an adult which he would no doubt NOT DO face to face.

6) Mods laugh and encourage this child

Why is this thread allowed to fester ? In this day and age,is it really necessary to have unwarranted negative attention ?

This whole thread is an anti's wet dream.
 
Greg said:
Summary:

1) Un-supervised child posting legal questions about his fathers assault rifles.

2) One could assume since he is un-supervised,he has access to his fathers assault rifles.

3) Wants to know if he can buy magazines in NH for his fathers assault rifle,which one can interpret as more un-supervised access to a rifle.

4) Child edits his post in a sarcastic way to reflect following comments.

5) Un-supervised child "flames" an adult which he would no doubt NOT DO face to face.

6) Mods laugh and encourage this child

Why is this thread allowed to fester ? In this day and age,is it really necessary to have unwarranted negative attention ?

This whole thread is an anti's wet dream.
Click to expand...

++1
 
Greg said:
Summary:

....

6) Mods laugh and encourage this child

Why is this thread allowed to fester ? In this day and age,is it really necessary to have unwarranted negative attention ?

This whole thread is an anti's wet dream.
Click to expand...


You can find many examples of mods and others who nominally exhort independence and self-reliance, etc., rationalizing the inert, obstinate and obtuse. Their reasoning eludes me.

Perhaps you can discern the Greater Social Good derived from coddling those too lazy to make any efforts to an answer their own questions, utilize basic punctuation and spelling or even accept the answers they sought. Perhas those certain mods may be able to enlighten you on their actions in this regard. [rolleyes]
 
Last edited:
Greg said:
Why is this thread allowed to fester ? In this day and age,is it really necessary to have unwarranted negative attention ?
Click to expand...

There is no such thing as negative attention in the antis eyes! Anything we do, anything we say is as self incriminating as the last. To think that, and encourage thinking that this under aged person has illegal access to his fathers gun, is just feeding into the fear the anti gun people want! Maybe he is looking to buy a present for his father, and simply wants to know if it's legal for him to do so, or not? Maybe the last time he was out shooting with his father he broke a magazine, or noticed it was quite worn out and wanted to do something nice to continue to be able to shoot and have father-son time with his dad...

NOTHING we will EVER do will change the view of the anti-gun folks. Weather we offer to take them shooting, hold their hand, or even pat them on the ass, kiss them on the cheek and tell them that we love them will change their view of us. NOTHING in this forum, or in ANY thread on this forum good, bad, or indifferent will change the way they think... Well that is except for them seeing people that are into guns turning into pussies, and trying to hide there thoughts, feelings, and passions!

That'll show em! Give into their tactics, and give em what they want! There ya go buddy, good job! [rolleyes]

As far as I'm concerned, the Liberal anti-gun word twisting socialist can

KISS MY ASS!

And if they don't like what I say, I DON'T GIVE A GOOD GOD DAMN!
 
Lkwinnipesaukee said:
I bet you go around telling little kids there's no Santa. Just admit it.
Click to expand...

And I'll bet you tell your little friends in the school lunch line about your "triumphs" in RPGs and how you'll join the SEALS now that you can insert the mag into an AR.[rolleyes]
 
The moderators DO NOT ENCOURAGE illegal activity. There are two topics taking place right now. The legality of the magazines/rifle and the pissing match between the two members.

FYI this whole forum is an Anti's "wet dream" or to some a "nightmare".
 
Adam_MA said:
There is no such thing as negative attention in the antis eyes! Anything we do, anything we say is as self incriminating as the last. To think that, and encourage thinking that this under aged person has illegal access to his fathers gun, is just feeding into the fear the anti gun people want! Maybe he is looking to buy a present for his father, and simply wants to know if it's legal for him to do so, or not? Maybe the last time he was out shooting with his father he broke a magazine, or noticed it was quite worn out and wanted to do something nice to continue to be able to shoot and have father-son time with his dad...

NOTHING we will EVER do will change the view of the anti-gun folks. Weather we offer to take them shooting, hold their hand, or even pat them on the ass, kiss them on the cheek and tell them that we love them will change their view of us. NOTHING in this forum, or in ANY thread on this forum good, bad, or indifferent will change the way they think... Well that is except for them seeing people that are into guns turning into pussies, and trying to hide there thoughts, feelings, and passions!

That'll show em! Give into their tactics, and give em what they want! There ya go buddy, good job! [rolleyes]

As far as I'm concerned, the Liberal anti-gun word twisting socialist can

KISS MY ASS!

And if they don't like what I say, I DON'T GIVE A GOOD GOD DAMN!
Click to expand...

I'm sorry but your attitude doesn't reflect the mission objective of this site as a family friendly law abiding website.

+1 infraction for you.[smile]

Damn,to think I was flamed for saying I used to get drunk in the mountains of CA and go plinking and was flamed endlessly when there is NO LAW against doing what I did.
 
Adam_MA said:
As far as I'm concerned, the Liberal anti-gun word twisting socialist can

KISS MY ASS!
Click to expand...

+1, Adam. Don't think I could have said that better myself. The full blown
antis (eg, the john rosenthals of the world) will twist things and lie anyways.
To them, all guns are evil, they just won't come out and say it most of
the time because they're afraid someone will call them on their
bullshit. Being overly speculative about some kid's intent with his post
I don't think really helps anyone. "Buffering" our existence to cater to
antis solves nothing. (While I agree that "tact" is often appropriate in various
circumstances... this ain't one of them.) While it's possible he might be
misinformed or something I don't think there is any real harm in trying to help him
out with his question. I don't see how anything he has said (or anything
else people have said in this thread) would be advocating him to do
something illegal, either. [rolleyes] I mean whats next, the
thought police? Are they going to come after this kid because there's
a remote chance someone -might- do something illegal? Precrime? [rolleyes] You
get the idea...

-Mike
 
Last edited:
If I can bring this back around to the questions posed:

- Under MGLs, mags are "controlled substances" and require a proper permit for possession (even temporary), purchase, etc.

- Under MGLs, anyone under 21 can't even handle a hi-cap rifle/shotgun UNLESS under the direct supervision of an adult with a LTC (A or B). [BTW: Same law wrt handguns of any sort.]

- NH is a different sovereign state and has their own laws/rules. I'll admit to not having more than a broad understanding of them.

- In NH one does NOT need any sort of permit to buy/possess mags (of any type), ammo or guns of any sort. Mags are NOT "controlled substances" in NH.

- You would have to check NH RSAs (very brief, unlike MA) on their gun laws to verify if you could possess a hi-cap rifle, handgun, mags, etc. in NH legally without your Father standing over you.

- In MA, due to our insane laws your Father couldn't legally leave you on the range to oversee his AR and mags while he goes into the clubhouse to go to the bathroom!! He has to be directly supervising you at all times or lock the guns up, put the hi-cap mags under some sort of control, etc. first.
 
would it be premissable for him to bring the AR and mags into the can with him?

(I'm sure that is going to get me a kick in the pants, but it's been a long day and I am a bit sarcastic ATM)
 
Yup, you can bring them anywhere you are! A "licensee" (LTC holder) must maintain control over them at all times unless they are properly secured.
 
hahahhaha[laugh]


Ok, thanks guys. I knew I couldn't possess the rifle by myself. I had no idea about the magazines, though. They're just little metal boxes....

Scriv- Nice one! How'd you know? [laugh] [rolleyes]


edit: Upon reading the above posts more closely:

-Just because I have access to a computer does not mean I have access to a gun safe. I have access to a power button and keyboard.

-I have not, and don't plan to do ANYTHING illegal, dangerous, etc

Number 5-- You don't think I'd say something in person to someone who habitually rude?
 
Last edited:
He did say "Hypothetically"....doesn't that mean anything? Can't he be a very curious, albiet irritating young man?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Post-ban High Capacity Magazines
Replies
6
Views
376
CrackPot
CrackPot
Personal transfer of pre-Healy MA compliant AR and/or lowers
Replies
4
Views
290
Mesatchornug
Mesatchornug
Pre-Healey vs Pre-ban
2
Replies
53
Views
2K
Picton
Picton
  • Poll
Pre-ban or no?
Replies
3
Views
425
IPSC_DRL
IPSC_DRL
Modifying pre ban AR in Mass??
Replies
10
Views
659
Shevchenko
Shevchenko
Back
Top Bottom