chris_1001
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Lol. Yuuuup!At least I'm not making the old 'the clack clack sound makes attackers run away' argument
Or shoot two rounds in the air…
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Lol. Yuuuup!At least I'm not making the old 'the clack clack sound makes attackers run away' argument
Wtf????While similar, that is not a traditional "Cruiser ready" mode. Typically you would ensure chamber is empty, dry fire to unlock the action, and leave it off safe, on a empty chamber, with a full magazine. I think you might get a +1 the way you are doing it, but you do need to remember to rack forward which is a little less intuitive than the standard pump action. Worst case I think under duress you might just eject the +1 by racking a new round in instead of closing the action. Semantics, but yeah, cruiser ready is hammer down on an empty chamber, safety off.
You are doing like "enhanced cool guy cruiser ready".
But who was cross bolt Maverick 88?
Agreed. What he described is not cruiser ready. Shotguns are generally not drop safe. So cruiser ready means that the chamber is empty, the slide is unlocked, and the safety is off.While similar, that is not a traditional "Cruiser ready" mode. Typically you would ensure chamber is empty, dry fire to unlock the action, and leave it off safe, on a empty chamber, with a full magazine.
Cruiser-ready is how long guns are kept by police when they put them in the police cruiser. Long guns are generally not drop safe and police cruisers bounce around a lot, so the chambers are kept empty. When a shotgun or patrol rifle is placed in the police cruiser, the chambers are empty and the safeties are off. For pump shotguns, they have typically been dry-fired on an empty chamber so that the slide is unlocked. If the officer needs their long gun, they remove it from the rack, charge the chamber, and are ready to go. That is what cruiser-ready means and why it is used by police.Wtf????
“ Typically you would ensure chamber is empty, dry fire to unlock the action”
No!!! Load the gun and keep the safety on.
Wtf is this nonsense ^
Because under duress you won’t remember to press the action unlock lever, or to dry fire to unlock, or sometimes to take it off safety.Wtf????
“ Typically you would ensure chamber is empty, dry fire to unlock the action”
No!!! Load the gun and keep the safety on.
Wtf is this nonsense ^
Bullshit.Because under duress you won’t remember to press the action unlock lever, or to dry fire to unlock, or sometimes to take it off safety.
Pretty standard.
Agreed. The only reason someone would not be able to properly use any function of their weapon system under duress is lack of training. Full stop. That’s exactly what training is for, to be better than the average jamoke who can’t move and think at the same time.Bullshit.
Motor skills correctly developed through overlearning accomplish automaticity.
Do the work and train.
Please expand on that.
Tubes contain springs and followers, too. The shotgun contains an analog to the feed lips.Other magazines contain springs and followers. The tube of a shotgun magazine on its own can't retain a spring or follower or rounds. So you can argue that it is a different kind of thing.
Agreed. The only reason someone would not be able to properly use any function of their weapon system under duress is lack of training. Full stop. That’s exactly what training is for, to be better than the average jamoke who can’t move and think at the same time.
There’s an app for that! Actually, there are a lot of apps for that!At least I'm not making the old 'the clack clack sound makes attackers run away' argument
No link provided?You can sing along to pistol grip pump by rage against the machine.. that's a positive
Bullshit.
Motor skills correctly developed through overlearning accomplish automaticity.
Do the work and train.
Agreed. The only reason someone would not be able to properly use any function of their weapon system under duress is lack of training. Full stop. That’s exactly what training is for, to be better than the average jamoke who can’t move and think at the same time.
I suppose in the context of this forum I'll agree that a competent well trained operator can (and should) train their specific configuration and tactics to the point that duress doesn't matter. Kind of absurd to expect every one in your vicinity to be at that same level. Bear in mind the context here is "why would you dry fire on the empty chamber". There's virtually no difference between "Pick this shotgun up, cycle the action fully, and fire" vs "Pick this shotgun up, slam action forward, and fire". There's a major difference between either of the former and "Pick up this shogun, either pull the trigger, or find and depress this little button, then cycle the action, then fire". Extend this concept past your own personal training and think about communicating to your loved ones what the manual of arms is. Think about the difference in training repetitions they are likely to have versus you. Do you want to set them up for success or failure?
Imo huge difference between talking about something like a duty rifle and something like a bedside shotgun.
In typical NES fashion you’re overthinking this. Nobody said anything about operators or tactics. We’re talking about being able to work the basic actions on your defensive weapons properly under duress.
If you can’t do this you need to train more. If you can do it with your defensive handgun but not with your defensive shotgun, then that right there is your answer and your example. These are very basic actions, no operating operator (hat tip to @AHM ) needed.
As for the bolded (mine), there is no difference between the two, I don’t know where you came up with that. You’re relegating personal responsibility and competency only to a particular job IE duty/work vs your duty to protect your home.
A bedside shotguns purpose is to save lives. As such the end user has a duty and responsibility to be able to do that competently, safely and aggressively, under any conditions, which is why there is no difference between the two.
I’m not telling you how to do anything, old dogs and all, just that I don’t agree and why.
Extend this concept past your own personal training and think about communicating to your loved ones what the manual of arms is. Think about the difference in training repetitions they are likely to have versus you. Do you want to set them up for success or failure? Imo huge difference between talking about something like a duty rifle and something like a bedside shotgun [ETA: that is more likely to be used by my "less trained" loved ones]
Kinda missed the point but I see how it wasn't made clear. Read it like this:
The point was that my family is far more likely to be reaching for that shotgun than they are to be grabbing my kit and shouldering my rifle. I am extremely capable with my weapons. I don't realistically expect my girlfriend and family to have that exact same level of training. That's a whole separate discussion. The simple fact is, it's easier to manipulate a weapon that is stored in a true "cruiser ready" fashion. Easier to manipulate is a good thing. Sort of arguing semantics here. Yes, you could store your shotgun with the action locked up. It doesn't offer any advantages for the average user who is looking for a safe, reliable, easily accessible and fireable weapon. You can add steps to that process and train around them. But in this context, cruiser ready is easier to manipulate and yes, taking into account differing levels of training, is less likely to delay you when under duress. That's a simple fact.
Personal responsibility again, and if you’re providing the means then you should also be providing the proper amount training, whatever that may be per individual. What will they do if they have a simple malfunction or misfire? Roll over and give up or have some basic knowledge on how to correct it and continue trying to save their own lives. I would have to ask what exactly is the level of importance here if not that.
i get what you’re saying but it still reads to me as ‘this way is easier than training’.
Sgt. 1st Class Billy Sole approves of this!Pistol grips come in very handy on pump shotguns.
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Magazine tubes were sold during the federal assault weapon ban years as replacement parts, A plain shotgun tube would be considered the same.Please expand on that.