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Would going to a shooting range where people are, be considered meeting them?
I also heard rifles as long as they're stowed in a case, are legal to carry, without a non resident ltc.
How reliably can one get a non resident ltc, vs those who live in the state and apply for an LTC with their local chief?
Has to be an organized meeting, they're really aiming for competitions, etc.
Non-resident is $100 year done in person in Chelsea, MA, if I recall.
Are they more frequently approved / issued, than resident ltc?
Are they more frequently approved / issued, than resident ltc?
Most of the complicated stuff above applies to handguns. The MA rules for "low capacity" FID-allowable long guns aren't nearly as insane.Have my NH resident pistol permit, without a MA LTC or FID, can I transport locked firearms to a gun range of they're locked and stowed out of reach?
The above exemptions apply to the same sort of long guns that a FID-holder would be allowed, for details on this, see [thread=95897]the old thread on the topic[/thread].C140;S129C said:No person, other than a licensed dealer or one who has been issued a license to carry a pistol or revolver or an exempt person as hereinafter described, shall own or possess any firearm, rifle, shotgun or ammunition unless he has been issued a firearm identification card by the licensing authority pursuant to the provisions of section one hundred and twenty-nine B.
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The provisions of this section shall not apply to the following exempted persons and uses:
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(f) Possession of rifles and shotguns and ammunition therefor by nonresident hunters with valid nonresident hunting licenses during hunting season;
(g) Possession of rifles and shotguns and ammunition therefor by nonresidents while on a firing or shooting range;
(h) Possession of rifles and shotguns and ammunition therefor by nonresidents traveling in or through the commonwealth, providing that any rifles or shotguns are unloaded and enclosed in a case;
(i) Possession of rifles and shotguns by nonresidents while at a firearm showing or display organized by a regularly existing gun collectors' club or association;
. . .
[There is no clause (q).]
MA non-resident LTC will fix that problem right quick.
You can't unless you are going to a match, meeting, or hunting.
Chapter 140, Section 131G Carrying of Firearms by Non-Residents (this is the MA law that applies.
Any person who is not a resident of the Commonwealth may carry a pistol or revolver in or through the commonwealth for the following purpose of taking part in a pistol or revolver competition or attending any meeting or exhibition of any organized group of firearms collectors or hunting; provided, however, that such a person is a resident of the United States, and has a permit or license to carry firearms issued under the laws of any state, district or territory thereof which has licensing requirements which prohibit the issuance of permits or licenses to persons who have been convicted of a felony or who have been convicted of the unlawful use, possession or sale of narcotic or harmful drugs; provided, further, that in the case of a person traveling in or through the commonwealth or by the state of his destination.
Not legally, unless you're going to an organized meeting/exhibition/collector's event.
I believe the legal beagles on this forum have interpreted the current laws as NOT having an exception for pistols. I am Not a Lawyer, please consult the relevant sections of the law yourself.
True but not anything close to "quick"!
NONE of the above is true. That is a bogus exemption, NO state license meets the requirements. Do a search (in the correct sub-forum) as I've given the long version numerous times. I also spend considerable time in my MA Gun Law Seminar making this point very clear. As otherwise people are exposing themselves to a felony conviction in MA.
The "original legal beagle" was Atty. Jason Guida, as Director of the Firerams Records Bureau (and it is NOT just pistols either). I just explain it as he did to me. Most folks don't understand it and get it wrong . . . and I'll admit that I was one of them until Jason "showed me the light"!
I pulled that right off the GOAL web page, if it is incorrect, they need to take it off.
I've seen this mentioned at least a few times over the past few years here on NES. I could be wrong, but pretty certain this was brought to their attention to no avail. It looks like they have no intention of taking it down.I pulled that right off the GOAL web page, if it is incorrect, they need to take it off.
I pulled that right off the GOAL web page, if it is incorrect, they need to take it off, but I don't follow how this is a bogus exemption. Don't competitive shooters from out of state shoot USPSA matches in MA? I'm confused.
here is MGL https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131G
Section 131G. Any person who is not a resident of the commonwealth may carry a pistol or revolver in or through the commonwealth for the purpose of taking part in a pistol or revolver competition or attending any meeting or exhibition of any organized group of firearm collectors or for the purpose of hunting; provided, that such person is a resident of the United States and has a permit or license to carry firearms issued under the laws of any state, district or territory thereof which has licensing requirements which prohibit the issuance of permits or licenses to persons who have been convicted of a felony or who have been convicted of the unlawful use, possession or sale of narcotic or harmful drugs; provided, further, that in the case of a person traveling in or through the commonwealth for the purpose of hunting, he has on his person a hunting or sporting license issued by the commonwealth or by the state of his destination. Police officers and other peace officers of any state, territory or jurisdiction within the United States duly authorized to possess firearms by the laws thereof shall, for the purposes of this section, be deemed to have a permit or license to carry firearms as described in this section.
I've seen this mentioned at least a few times over the past few years here on NES. I could be wrong, but pretty certain this was brought to their attention to no avail. It looks like they have no intention of taking it down.
Although the law as stated here is correct MGL C140 S131G (https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131g), do you want to get an ill informed officer who will make a "good faith" arrest because in MA guns are evil unless the government has them? That will reflect in your record & you'll need to fix it which is a pain.
I would recommend getting the non-resident LTC as suggested by others. It will help to keep things smooth when you come across the ill informed officer.
Stay safe,
Brian
Exemption Conditions: For this exemption to apply, a person must have a license to carry firearms from another state which prohibits persons from possessing firearms who have be convicted of any felony [STRIKE=undefined]of[/STRIKE] <THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN "OR" NOT OF> any drug violation.
GOAL has lots of old/bad legal info on their website. They can contact the same "source people" that I do for any clarification they need. Years ago we all believed what you posted (131G) but it simply isn't true as the criteria to meet is NOT met by any state in the US. Certainly not NH.
I'm just not going to get into the details again here, you can search for it, I've posted it many times but I'm tired and just not interested in spending the time going thru it step-by-step.
Yes, people break the law every day in MA. And almost all are lucky and not caught by anyone that really understands the law. Woe be unto the person who does get bagged and I doubt that "GOAL's website said" will go very far in court, any more than a certain commercial range whose employees have told NRs that they have a "special exemption from MSP" for their customers to bring ARs in AW configuration and new large cap mags plus pistols into MA with no NR LTC (and in many cases I'll bet no home state license at all either).
Sure, but if you follow this to the logical conclusion, then the only solution is to refuse to travel to MA, to have any nexus with MA at all.It matters not one iota whether the advice here is correct as a misinformed cop will still cost you a bunch. Get something in writing from a prosecutor and carry that with you. Else, stay out of Massachusetts. Consider this, correct or not, it is unlawful to have ammunition or components without an FID which you as a non-resident can't acquire.
Any ammunition, or pistol ammunition?It matters not one iota whether the advice here is correct as a misinformed cop will still cost you a bunch. Get something in writing from a prosecutor and carry that with you. Else, stay out of Massachusetts. Consider this, correct or not, it is unlawful to have ammunition or components without an FID which you as a non-resident can't acquire.
Not quickMA non-resident LTC will fix that problem right quick.
It matters not one iota whether the advice here is correct as a misinformed cop will still cost you a bunch. Get something in writing from a prosecutor and carry that with you. Else, stay out of Massachusetts. Consider this, correct or not, it is unlawful to have ammunition or components without an FID which you as a non-resident can't acquire.
Kevin, everything you're citing is undoubtedly correct if interpretation is set in stone. Most likely I'd never see jail time or fines even if I was clearly in the wrong as who in their right mind would sentence you over an errant round or box of 9MM. Or a post ban Glock magazine. Or an AR, locked in a box and loaded 30 round magazine locked separately. The devil's in the details. Do you want to risk it? Even were you to beat the charge in court are you prepared to spend the time and money to do so?
Just look at how many posts here from Mass. residents wondering what they can or cannot do. If a non-resident were to insist on projecting their 2nd amendment rights for a competition or a family outing or just for fun, they do so at their peril. Get a prosecutor's assurances, in writing to avoid complications to be on the safer side. Do you really want some rookie interpreting law on the spot? Do you really want to gamble that the cop you run across isn't having a bad day and chooses to make your life miserable? And for what? To shoot in the golrious People's Republic?